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SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 04:22 AM

Considering adding this to the collection... Thoughts? Dealer claims "custom" dial, everything else original/authentic. I really like the blue, and am a fan of DJ.

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 04:24 AM

More pics...

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 04:24 AM

Last one...

dera · 2 June 2016, 04:37 AM

Fake.

Narbeh · 2 June 2016, 04:39 AM

the whole thing is wrong.

GradyPhilpott · 2 June 2016, 04:42 AM

I'd walk.

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Tmac478 · 2 June 2016, 04:49 AM

Does it come with box and papers? How much is he asking?

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SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 04:51 AM

Asking 2800. Here is the spec sheet...

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 04:53 AM

No papers, I am assuming the box isn't Rolex...

michael067 · 2 June 2016, 04:54 AM

Don't buy anything with a aftermarket dial, or aftermarket anything for that matter.

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 05:00 AM

I have a lot to learn... Custom dial ruins the watch? Or watch is no good regardless of dial?

GLADIATOR · 2 June 2016, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokinPoBoysCarrera

I have a lot to learn... Custom dial ruins the watch? Or watch is no good regardless of dial?

As far as Rolex is concerned its no longer a Rolex.
They would not service it with a non Rolex part (dial)

Resell value is greatly reduced, why not take a bit longer and find one all original
adam

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 05:03 AM

According to seller, dial is a refurbished authentic dial...

freefly · 2 June 2016, 05:07 AM

The dial is junk, but the rest of the watch may be OK. Installing "newer" style fake dials in older references (and over-polishing) seems to be a common M.O. for a lot of online/eBay grey-market resellers.

Gasoil4ever · 2 June 2016, 05:08 AM

Fake...

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 05:14 AM

Very scary stuff.

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 05:15 AM

This watch looks over polished? How so?

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 05:17 AM

I saw a few threads about Beckertime on here... Is this watch a similar type of deal?

freefly · 2 June 2016, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokinPoBoysCarrera

I saw a few threads about Beckertime on here... Is this watch a similar type of deal?

Yeah, there are quite a few online/eBay resellers that offer watches with "custom" or "aftermarket" dials/bezels/bracelets/etc. The problem is that if any of those parts have Rolex markings but are not genuine Rolex, they are not "custom" or "aftermarket", they are counterfeit. Some sellers are better than others regarding disclosure. The seller of the watch you posted appears to be one of the few honest ones, as they listed the dial as non-original. However, that still doesn't negate the fact that they are selling watches with fake parts, and I'd steer clear regardless. YMMV...

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by freefly

Yeah, there are quite a few online/eBay resellers that offer watches with "custom" or "aftermarket" dials/bezels/bracelets/etc. The problem is that if any of those parts have Rolex markings but are not genuine Rolex, they are not "custom" or "aftermarket", they are counterfeit. Some sellers are better than others regarding disclosure. The seller of the watch you posted appears to be one of the few honest ones, as they listed the dial as non-original. However, that still doesn't negate the fact that they are selling watches with fake parts, and I'd steer clear regardless. YMMV...

Thank you. I'm going to get more educated!

crowncollection · 2 June 2016, 06:14 AM

Personally I don't buy watches with aftermarket dials and hands and glass

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dera · 2 June 2016, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

Personally I don't buy watches with aftermarket dials and hands and glass

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And datewheel

freefly · 2 June 2016, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

Personally I don't buy watches with aftermarket dials and hands and glass

+1

As mentioned, I'd steer clear regardless.

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Originally Posted by dera

And datewheel

The date disc *might* be OK. The aftermarket glass/mag and date window of the (fake) dial might be throwing things off.

That said, I just found the eBay listing for it here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/112012351869

After seeing all the pics, most of the watch (dial, hands, winding crown and bracelet) is junk. It *might* have a genuine Rolex movement, case, & bezel, but everything else is garbage. Therefore, I retract my statement about the seller being honest (should have known better, lol). While he did disclose the non-original dial, he failed to disclose any of the other non-original parts.

Reported...

dera · 2 June 2016, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freefly

+1

The date disc *might* be OK. The aftermarket glass/mag and date window of the (fake) dial might be throwing things off.

Reported...

Nope, datewheel is wrong. Alignment is the least of my worries with it...

freefly · 2 June 2016, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dera

Nope, datewheel is wrong. Alignment is the least of my worries with it...

You may be right. However, a lot of folks seem to make incorrect declarations here based on the date disc (magnification, font, etc.). The date disc in the OP watch appears to be the correct serif-font for a 3035 of that era. The first pic just makes in look "off" as the aftermarket glass/cyclops isn't magnifying it correctly, and is stretching/skewing it like a fun-house mirror. If you look at the other pics where you can see the disc at an angle, under the cyclops, it looks more correct. If I am missing something here, please enlighten me. Thanks!

xjeeunitx · 2 June 2016, 08:42 AM

It's a frankenwatch. There are plenty of 160XX models that come with paperwork for the asking price elsewhere. Stay away from these online dealers that sells dials, bezels, bracelets alongside watches. They are known to swap them out and resell to people that just don't know any better. When you try to service the watch at the RSC, you will be surprised in the total costs of the service due to all of the non-OEM or not original parts that were installed on the watch.

BTW, the bracelet is fake.

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

It's a frankenwatch. There are plenty of 160XX models that come with paperwork for the asking price elsewhere. Stay away from these online dealers that sells dials, bezels, bracelets alongside watches. They are known to swap them out and resell to people that just don't know any better. When you try to service the watch at the RSC, you will be surprised in the total costs of the service due to all of the non-OEM or not original parts that were installed on the watch.

BTW, the bracelet is fake.

Thanks! This is way more complicated than I ever thought... Thanks for your input.

SmokinPoBoysCarrera · 2 June 2016, 08:54 AM

One more thing... RSC=Rolex Service Center? Still learning the lingo....

GLADIATOR · 2 June 2016, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokinPoBoysCarrera

One more thing... RSC=Rolex Service Center? Still learning the lingo....

Correct
A

mjclark32 · 2 June 2016, 09:15 AM

I wouldn't buy it solely on the 100% authentic, then they say custom dial...

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2 June 2016, 09:15 AM	#30
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2 June 2016, 04:37 AM	#4
dera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,372	Fake.

2 June 2016, 04:39 AM	#5
Narbeh 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: USA Watch: AP Posts: 583	the whole thing is wrong.

2 June 2016, 04:49 AM	#7
Tmac478 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Tony Location: SF Bay Area Watch: RG Skydweller Posts: 1,469	Does it come with box and papers? How much is he asking? Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

2 June 2016, 04:53 AM	#9
SmokinPoBoysCarrera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Southeastern USA Watch: 18038/16014/114270 Posts: 23	No papers, I am assuming the box isn't Rolex...

2 June 2016, 04:54 AM	#10
michael067 Banned Join Date: Feb 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Las Vegas Watch: TT DJ 16233 Posts: 1,002	Don't buy anything with a aftermarket dial, or aftermarket anything for that matter.

2 June 2016, 05:00 AM	#11
SmokinPoBoysCarrera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Southeastern USA Watch: 18038/16014/114270 Posts: 23	I have a lot to learn... Custom dial ruins the watch? Or watch is no good regardless of dial?

2 June 2016, 05:03 AM	#13
SmokinPoBoysCarrera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Southeastern USA Watch: 18038/16014/114270 Posts: 23	According to seller, dial is a refurbished authentic dial...

2 June 2016, 05:07 AM	#14
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	The dial is junk, but the rest of the watch may be OK. Installing "newer" style fake dials in older references (and over-polishing) seems to be a common M.O. for a lot of online/eBay grey-market resellers.

2 June 2016, 05:14 AM	#16
SmokinPoBoysCarrera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Southeastern USA Watch: 18038/16014/114270 Posts: 23	Very scary stuff.

2 June 2016, 05:15 AM	#17
SmokinPoBoysCarrera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Southeastern USA Watch: 18038/16014/114270 Posts: 23	This watch looks over polished? How so?

2 June 2016, 05:17 AM	#18
SmokinPoBoysCarrera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Southeastern USA Watch: 18038/16014/114270 Posts: 23	I saw a few threads about Beckertime on here... Is this watch a similar type of deal?

2 June 2016, 08:42 AM	#26
xjeeunitx 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,487	It's a frankenwatch. There are plenty of 160XX models that come with paperwork for the asking price elsewhere. Stay away from these online dealers that sells dials, bezels, bracelets alongside watches. They are known to swap them out and resell to people that just don't know any better. When you try to service the watch at the RSC, you will be surprised in the total costs of the service due to all of the non-OEM or not original parts that were installed on the watch. BTW, the bracelet is fake.

2 June 2016, 08:54 AM	#28
SmokinPoBoysCarrera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Southeastern USA Watch: 18038/16014/114270 Posts: 23	One more thing... RSC=Rolex Service Center? Still learning the lingo....

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