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cervantes · 16 June 2016, 07:58 PM

Hey all,

I've been close to moving on a 5170G Black dial. But I was just offered a mint 5960P with the grey dial. I know the 5960 series is not the purist choice and the movement can't compare to the 5170 but I find it eminently wearable and a wonderful combination of sportiness and class. What do you say - pass on the 5170G Black (which is a pretty dressy watch) and go for the 5960?

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cervantes · 16 June 2016, 08:04 PM

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subtona · 16 June 2016, 08:18 PM

It's all about the movement for me.

cervantes · 16 June 2016, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by subtona

It's all about the movement for me.

Yea, I hear that. I didn't care for the 5905 much as I found the dial too cluttered and squished and the case too large. But the 5960 with the contrasting sub-dial is very sweet. But no comparison with the movement - it's adequate but crunchy!

cervantes · 16 June 2016, 08:22 PM

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KarlS · 16 June 2016, 08:26 PM

its going to be a 1 horse race

AK797 · 16 June 2016, 10:19 PM

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its going to be a 1 horse race

Yeah, but not like the Japanese number one rated horse at Royal Ascot who tanked.

KarlS · 17 June 2016, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Yeah, but not like the Japanese number one rated horse at Royal Ascot who tanked.

I think a 3 legged horse wit Breguet numerals will still take this!

Flex368 · 16 June 2016, 08:47 PM

Out of these two, the black 5170 for me. But a 5960P with black dial would be my clear favorite here.

Hamish · 16 June 2016, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex368

Out of these two, the black 5170 for me. But a 5960P with black dial would be my clear favorite here.

Slider817 · 16 June 2016, 09:12 PM

For looks and styling it's really no contest, the case shape is much more appealing on the 5170, and the dial is much more appealing. The 5980 is a great everyday watch to wear.....

iazrollie · 16 June 2016, 09:16 PM

Of these two, it would be 5170 for me. It's a better chrono and the black dial is incredible. I also love the new 5170r that came out. Make sure you get a nice discount on the watch though.

dom007 · 16 June 2016, 09:45 PM

5170 all day!

Manual movement, black dial, Breguet numerals, leaf hands... What do you want more?

However I would directly change the strap from shiny black to matt black as this would make the watch more casual and versatile.

mps354 · 16 June 2016, 11:23 PM

Tough call. I own a 5960p with grey dial...although most will say this is the least desirable dial configuration of the three p versions, I would disagree. Rarity/supply aside, I like the Combo due to its versatility, the way the white sub dial really pops From the anthracite background, and the readability. I also got it because I didn't have a calendar complication and wanted to add one to the collection. From a value perspective, in platinum, with an annual calendar, chrono, power reserve, and day/night indicator, I think it checks a lot of boxes relative to the price.

As for the 5170g with black dial, though I don't own one, I hope to maybe pick one up someday. The movement speaks for itself, it's amazing, and it's considerably lighter and thinner. Much more dressy, though I'm sure it can be worn casually as well. I think readability is a little weaker, but it's so nice looking I really don't care.

I guess what I am saying is I am a huge fan of both. I think it comes down to what you already have in your collection. The other consideration that I've been taking into account is the possibility of a 5170p next year. In my dreams it would have a blue sector dial, but that's getting off topic...

cervantes · 16 June 2016, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mps354

Tough call. I own a 5960p with grey dial...although most will say this is the least desirable dial configuration of the three p versions, I would disagree. Rarity/supply aside, I like the Combo due to its versatility, the way the white sub dial really pops From the anthracite background, and the readability. I also got it because I didn't have a calendar complication and wanted to add one to the collection. From a value perspective, in platinum, with an annual calendar, chrono, power reserve, and day/night indicator, I think it checks a lot of boxes relative to the price.

As for the 5170g with black dial, though I don't own one, I hope to maybe pick one up someday. The movement speaks for itself, it's amazing, and it's considerably lighter and thinner. Much more dressy, though I'm sure it can be worn casually as well. I think readability is a little weaker, but it's so nice looking I really don't care.

I guess what I am saying is I am a huge fan of both. I think it comes down to what you already have in your collection. The other consideration that I've been taking into account is the possibility of a 5170p next year. In my dreams it would have a blue sector dial, but that's getting off topic...

Thanks for your thoughts. Though I wouldn't hold out for a sector dial platinum 5170. Blue maybe, though I don't know how it'll look with breuget numerals.

I've been wearing the 5960 for a few hours and it feels nice on the wrist. Though I don't love the lumed hands. I found the 5170G to be very dressy. Shiny. And almost too serious. There's a certain lightness to the design of the 5960 that is attractive to me.

Socal to az · 16 June 2016, 11:52 PM

I peso ally love the 5960 and had it been a bit larger (im 6'4" - prefer a 42mm size ) - this would be a great piece. The contrast in the dial, the round pushers- love em.

To me, the 5170 is too "safe"- very symmetrical, very boring. Just my personal opinion.

Get the 5960

Tay821 · 16 June 2016, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Socal to az

I peso ally love the 5960 and had it been a bit larger (im 6'4" - prefer a 42mm size ) - this would be a great piece. The contrast in the dial, the round pushers- love em.

To me, the 5170 is too "safe"- very symmetrical, very boring. Just my personal opinion.

Get the 5960

X2. Agree on the "safe" part. Love the contrasting dials of the 5960

cervantes · 17 June 2016, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tay821

X2. Agree on the "safe" part. Love the contrasting dials of the 5960

Yup, the contrasting dial makes the watch. I had the platinum black dial on my wrist and I missed the color.

locutus49 · 17 June 2016, 12:24 AM

5170 is much more attractive to my eye. So it really depends on which one plucks your strings.

fmc000 · 17 June 2016, 01:21 AM

Hope that @martinr won't mind for posting his pic but for me this 5905 is the best (less cluttered dial IMHO).

Socal to az · 17 June 2016, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fmc000

Hope that @martinr won't mind for posting his pic but for me this 5905 is the best (less cluttered dial IMHO).

Agree. Mine arrives in a few weeks. 😊😊

lapince · 19 June 2016, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by subtona

It's all about the movement for me.

Of course, a PP manual is a thing of beauty

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Originally Posted by Flex368

Out of these two, the black 5170 for me. But a 5960P with black dial would be my clear favorite here.

Black or blue yes would be my choice, never liked much the grey, even before I knew they were falling down on resale

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Originally Posted by fmc000

Hope that @martinr won't mind for posting his pic but for me this 5905 is the best (less cluttered dial IMHO).

Nice but I definitely prefer the blue dial on this one, any watch which comes in blue dial usually has my preference, but sure much more beautiful than the 5960...

HL65 · 19 June 2016, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc000

Hope that @martinr won't mind for posting his pic but for me this 5905 is the best (less cluttered dial IMHO).

Beautiful watch and especially in the black!

cinch · 19 June 2016, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HL65

Beautiful watch and especially in the black!

Is this your next incoming?

lapince · 20 June 2016, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by HL65

Beautiful watch and especially in the black!

Really? Never saw either but in pics I had the impression the blue dial was the best one...

martinr · 17 June 2016, 01:58 AM

5905 is great but you have to like a thick heavy watch and its 42mm so bigger than the 5960. I wouldn't decide either way until you see the 5170 in RG.

cervantes · 17 June 2016, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by martinr

5905 is great but you have to like a thick heavy watch and its 42mm so bigger than the 5960. I wouldn't decide either way until you see the 5170 in RG.

The 5905 was just too large for me. And heavy.
I prefer the 5170 in WG as the strong white markers look better with the WG case. If I was going RG I'd go with cream dial.

martinr · 17 June 2016, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cervantes

The 5905 was just too large for me. And heavy.
I prefer the 5170 in WG as the strong white markers look better with the WG case. If I was going RG I'd go with cream dial.

Ok then between the two choices 5960P vs 5170G I'd go with the 5170.

cervantes · 17 June 2016, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by martinr

Ok then between the two choices 5960P vs 5170G I'd go with the 5170.

I hear you. Leaning that way.

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16 June 2016, 07:58 PM	#1
cervantes "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Jay Location: East and West Posts: 1,894	Patek 5960P vs. 5170G Hey all, I've been close to moving on a 5170G Black dial. But I was just offered a mint 5960P with the grey dial. I know the 5960 series is not the purist choice and the movement can't compare to the 5170 but I find it eminently wearable and a wonderful combination of sportiness and class. What do you say - pass on the 5170G Black (which is a pretty dressy watch) and go for the 5960? IMG_2100.jpg IMG_1888.jpg

16 June 2016, 08:18 PM	#4
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,563	It's all about the movement for me. __________________

16 June 2016, 09:16 PM	#13
iazrollie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Ian Location: NY Watch: All of them Posts: 3,245	Of these two, it would be 5170 for me. It's a better chrono and the black dial is incredible. I also love the new 5170r that came out. Make sure you get a nice discount on the watch though. __________________ Rolex, PPs, Breitling

16 June 2016, 08:04 PM	#2
cervantes "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Jay Location: East and West Posts: 1,894	IMG_2104.jpg IMG_1902.jpg

16 June 2016, 08:22 PM	#6
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16 June 2016, 08:26 PM	#7
KarlS Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Karl Location: Kuwait Posts: 5,228	its going to be a 1 horse race

16 June 2016, 08:47 PM	#10
Flex368 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: Felix Location: GMT +1 Watch: Yes! Posts: 3,054	Out of these two, the black 5170 for me. But a 5960P with black dial would be my clear favorite here.

16 June 2016, 09:12 PM	#12
Slider817 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: William Location: New York Watch: Journe, AP & Lange Posts: 868	For looks and styling it's really no contest, the case shape is much more appealing on the 5170, and the dial is much more appealing. The 5980 is a great everyday watch to wear.....

16 June 2016, 09:45 PM	#14
dom007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Paradise Watch: on the dark side Posts: 543	5170 all day! Manual movement, black dial, Breguet numerals, leaf hands... What do you want more? However I would directly change the strap from shiny black to matt black as this would make the watch more casual and versatile.

16 June 2016, 11:23 PM	#15
mps354 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 9,096	Tough call. I own a 5960p with grey dial...although most will say this is the least desirable dial configuration of the three p versions, I would disagree. Rarity/supply aside, I like the Combo due to its versatility, the way the white sub dial really pops From the anthracite background, and the readability. I also got it because I didn't have a calendar complication and wanted to add one to the collection. From a value perspective, in platinum, with an annual calendar, chrono, power reserve, and day/night indicator, I think it checks a lot of boxes relative to the price. As for the 5170g with black dial, though I don't own one, I hope to maybe pick one up someday. The movement speaks for itself, it's amazing, and it's considerably lighter and thinner. Much more dressy, though I'm sure it can be worn casually as well. I think readability is a little weaker, but it's so nice looking I really don't care. I guess what I am saying is I am a huge fan of both. I think it comes down to what you already have in your collection. The other consideration that I've been taking into account is the possibility of a 5170p next year. In my dreams it would have a blue sector dial, but that's getting off topic...

16 June 2016, 11:52 PM	#17
Socal to az Banned Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Arizona Posts: 791	I peso ally love the 5960 and had it been a bit larger (im 6'4" - prefer a 42mm size ) - this would be a great piece. The contrast in the dial, the round pushers- love em. To me, the 5170 is too "safe"- very symmetrical, very boring. Just my personal opinion. Get the 5960

17 June 2016, 12:24 AM	#20
locutus49 Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: John Location: La Jolla, CA Watch: Platona Posts: 12,194	5170 is much more attractive to my eye. So it really depends on which one plucks your strings.

17 June 2016, 01:21 AM	#21
fmc000 Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Fabio Location: Como - Italy Posts: 4,811	Hope that @martinr won't mind for posting his pic but for me this 5905 is the best (less cluttered dial IMHO).

17 June 2016, 01:58 AM	#27
martinr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: California Posts: 3,106	5905 is great but you have to like a thick heavy watch and its 42mm so bigger than the 5960. I wouldn't decide either way until you see the 5170 in RG.

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