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freed0m · 11 July 2016, 03:19 PM

Hi,

My dad gave me his non-working Submariner, I am planning on bringing it to the Dallas RSC and wanted to know what model/year it is. I appreciate any input.

Thank you.

al503 · 11 July 2016, 03:25 PM

I don't have any substantive input but that's a beauty.

I'd get it serviced (no replacement parts, unless its in the movement and its necessary), a new bracelet (but keep the old one) and wear the crap out of it.

Paul · 11 July 2016, 04:14 PM

Looks to me to be a mid 60s' gilt 5513 ( or 5512). Looks like rather a nice example too . Pop the bracelet off and the reference number will be revealed between the lugs at the 12:00 o'clock spot. Between the other pair of lugs will be a serial number that will allow you to date the watch. Another date code will be inside the case back that will hopefully match up with the serial number on the case.

Standard crown guards, no chapter ring on the dial , yummy gilt text and is that a Bart Simpson coronet I see ? . And a rivet bracelet too - might be a date code on the clasp too that ties everything together as a nice original watch all round. A very nice score Sir and in my books there is not much better than getting a watch passed on by the old man.

Lots of similar visual cues amongst the various early Subs. Someone will yell if I'm wrong .... they always do

A couple of suggestions:

The Rolex Service Centre's ( 'RSC's ) have a fairly blanket policy that sees any flawed parts swapped off and replaced with what they call service items. You would definitely lose those lovely gilt hands, replaced with sparkly new ... and totally undesirable ... silver items. You'd possibly also lose that spendid gilt dial, despite the fact that it is seems to be nicely preserved, if the RSC see flaws, they'll want to swap those items off. Your watch will come back shiny new, stripped of all character and valuing significantly lower than when it went in for service. And the RSC will not return the very valuable items that they swap off. They put them up their nose when the supervisor is not looking, take them home and sell them on eBay ( OK, I made up that last bit but they certainly don't get returned to the owner of the watch) .

Not a problem for you. In Arlington Texas, there resides one of world's most highly regarded independent vintage Rolex technicians . Expensive but you get what you pay for. Highly competent and totally sympathetic to the vagaries of vintage Rolex. Bob Ridley will eat that watch for breakfast.

aaamax · 13 July 2016, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul

...And the RSC will not return the very valuable items that they swap off. They put them up their nose when the supervisor is not looking, take them home and sell them on eBay...

Lol. I say that is probably not far off!

mrricks · 11 July 2016, 04:29 PM

I'd take it to an independent so as not to lose the vintage parts.

brettpaul · 11 July 2016, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mrricks

I'd take it to an independent so as not to lose the vintage parts.

Completely agree - don't go to the RSC as this will reduce the value of the watch for sure as they'll replace parts you (and collectors) don't want replaced.

Qinhan · 11 July 2016, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mrricks

I'd take it to an independent so as not to lose the vintage parts.

As others have said, this x1000. Ironically, your watch is too important and valuable to give to RSC.

crowncollection · 11 July 2016, 05:19 PM

Please don't take it to Rolex they will strip it of its original parts

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theflywrist · 11 July 2016, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

Please don't take it to Rolex they will strip it of its original parts

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This for sure.
That will clean up beautifully! Case looks really really great too!
Congrats on that stunner.

Tan · 12 July 2016, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

Please don't take it to Rolex they will strip it of its original parts

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This! Keep with an independent that will work to keep it's originality.

brandrea · 11 July 2016, 07:29 PM

Great looking piece. It's a 5513 and to my eye looks like an MK1 dial. USA rivet braclet.

Rikki or ABC would be great options to do a service and they know vintage so you wouldn't need to worry.

Good luck!

Rebel · 11 July 2016, 09:19 PM

Keep it as original as possible! Great watch.

Dr.Brian · 11 July 2016, 09:23 PM

Don't send it to the RSC! They'll want to replace all the "damaged" parts with shiny new replacements, and you'll lose some value.

greekbum · 11 July 2016, 09:36 PM

It's a valuable watch and if considering selling it it's worth the most as pictured. Do not touch it you have nothing to gain and everything to loose if that makes sense. It looks like a very nice example of a mid 60s gilt sub.

16610v · 11 July 2016, 11:22 PM

This may eaily worth over 40k usd as is. But if you get those parts changed, i afriad it wont worth more than 4k usd.

Kingface66 · 11 July 2016, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 16610v

This may eaily worth over 40k usd as is. But if you get those parts changed, i afriad it wont worth more than 4k usd.

Over $40k?? I have never seen a 1965 or 1966 (which is what year(s) it appears to be), gilt sub in that shape go for anywhere near that much.
That said, if that IS what they're going for, I should call my insurance company today...

DevinH · 11 July 2016, 11:23 PM

Beautiful watch. Congrats!

Aceldama · 12 July 2016, 01:45 AM

Beautiful watch! Considering it's from your father, keep it and get it fixed up. RSC is just too big of a risk, as others have mentioned.

Your signature says you're in Dallas, so I would consider driving it over to Arlington and having the Ridely's take a look at it and give you a quote. They brought my '72 5513 back to spec and I was very happy with their service. Once you get a quote, shop around at some of the independents. Take your time and do your research when selecting a watchmaker.

freed0m · 12 July 2016, 04:02 AM

Thanks everyone, your valuable insight and recommendation is sincerely appreciated. No RSC it is :) I'll contact the local independent to get it working again.

El Cascarrabias · 12 July 2016, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by freed0m

Thanks everyone, your valuable insight and recommendation is sincerely appreciated. No RSC it is :) I'll contact the local independent to get it working again.

And you will repost with before and after pictures . . . right!?!

freed0m · 12 July 2016, 12:57 PM

yes, certainly will post before and after pics

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Originally Posted by El Cascarrabias

And you will repost with before and after pictures . . . right!?!

fmc000 · 13 July 2016, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by freed0m

Thanks everyone, your valuable insight and recommendation is sincerely appreciated. No RSC it is :) I'll contact the local independent to get it working again.

Well, I wouldn't go for the "local independent" path: I would send the watch to a very well known watchmaker who knows how to deal with very valuable vintage pieces like this one. Names were already written in this thread by other members.

If that watch were mine, I'd have the movement serviced and the crystal polished to remove the scratches. That's all. Keep the watch as far as you can from any polishing wheel. If the bracelet is too worn out, just remove it and wear the watch with a distressed leather strap.

And congratulations, it's a real beauty of a watch.

azguy · 12 July 2016, 05:37 AM

You have one of the best in your back yard, Bob Ridley, look him up

Paul · 12 July 2016, 06:37 AM

A closer look and I think I see standard steel hands .
That's probably totally correct for a late gilt dial 5513 too.
Looks like a real survivor all round.

Wing Zero · 12 July 2016, 07:56 AM

great looking MF.
40k is pushing it though lol.
Good luck and post more pictures when you get a chance.

alanszabojr · 12 July 2016, 01:10 PM

Another vote for ABC well now LA watchworks

freed0m · 12 July 2016, 01:34 PM

hmmm... it seems the Submariner is working, the second hand is moving and seems to keep time accurately. Does this watch run on battery or some sort of kinetic movement?

AgentHsu · 12 July 2016, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by freed0m

hmmm... it seems the Submariner is working, the second hand is moving and seems to keep time accurately. Does this watch run on battery or some sort of kinetic movement?

Have you tried winding it before you said it wasn't working?

freed0m · 12 July 2016, 02:06 PM

ummm... no sir, I am currently wearing an Apple Watch

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Originally Posted by AgentHsu

Have you tried winding it before you said it wasn't working?

AgentHsu · 12 July 2016, 01:47 PM

It runs on a power reserve from its movement. The power reserve is charged by winding and movement.

11 July 2016, 04:14 PM	#3
Paul "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,000	Looks like you have ... Looks to me to be a mid 60s' gilt 5513 ( or 5512). Looks like rather a nice example too . Pop the bracelet off and the reference number will be revealed between the lugs at the 12:00 o'clock spot. Between the other pair of lugs will be a serial number that will allow you to date the watch. Another date code will be inside the case back that will hopefully match up with the serial number on the case. Standard crown guards, no chapter ring on the dial , yummy gilt text and is that a Bart Simpson coronet I see ? . And a rivet bracelet too - might be a date code on the clasp too that ties everything together as a nice original watch all round. A very nice score Sir and in my books there is not much better than getting a watch passed on by the old man. Lots of similar visual cues amongst the various early Subs. Someone will yell if I'm wrong .... they always do A couple of suggestions: The Rolex Service Centre's ( 'RSC's ) have a fairly blanket policy that sees any flawed parts swapped off and replaced with what they call service items. You would definitely lose those lovely gilt hands, replaced with sparkly new ... and totally undesirable ... silver items. You'd possibly also lose that spendid gilt dial, despite the fact that it is seems to be nicely preserved, if the RSC see flaws, they'll want to swap those items off. Your watch will come back shiny new, stripped of all character and valuing significantly lower than when it went in for service. And the RSC will not return the very valuable items that they swap off. They put them up their nose when the supervisor is not looking, take them home and sell them on eBay ( OK, I made up that last bit but they certainly don't get returned to the owner of the watch) . Not a problem for you. In Arlington Texas, there resides one of world's most highly regarded independent vintage Rolex technicians . Expensive but you get what you pay for. Highly competent and totally sympathetic to the vagaries of vintage Rolex. Bob Ridley will eat that watch for breakfast.

11 July 2016, 04:29 PM	#5
mrricks "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE/AZ Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 679	I'd take it to an independent so as not to lose the vintage parts. __________________ 116622 1680, 16233, 113400 retired

11 July 2016, 05:19 PM	#8
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,215	Please don't take it to Rolex they will strip it of its original parts Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

11 July 2016, 09:19 PM	#12
Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Dr Mark R Nail Location: New Albany Watch: Tudor Sub 75090 Posts: 8,241	Keep it as original as possible! Great watch. __________________ ------------------------------- Member of the Nylon Nation

11 July 2016, 09:23 PM	#13
Dr.Brian 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: CA dreamin' Watch: ing the market. Posts: 5,906	Don't send it to the RSC! They'll want to replace all the "damaged" parts with shiny new replacements, and you'll lose some value. __________________ -Brian AUDENTES FORTUNA IUVAT 十人十色

11 July 2016, 03:25 PM	#2
al503 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oregon Watch: DD40, SD43 Posts: 370	I don't have any substantive input but that's a beauty. I'd get it serviced (no replacement parts, unless its in the movement and its necessary), a new bracelet (but keep the old one) and wear the crap out of it.

11 July 2016, 07:29 PM	#11
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 77,832	Great looking piece. It's a 5513 and to my eye looks like an MK1 dial. USA rivet braclet. Rikki or ABC would be great options to do a service and they know vintage so you wouldn't need to worry. Good luck!

11 July 2016, 09:36 PM	#14
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,418	It's a valuable watch and if considering selling it it's worth the most as pictured. Do not touch it you have nothing to gain and everything to loose if that makes sense. It looks like a very nice example of a mid 60s gilt sub. __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

11 July 2016, 11:22 PM	#15
16610v "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: YL Watch: Submariner Posts: 701	This may eaily worth over 40k usd as is. But if you get those parts changed, i afriad it wont worth more than 4k usd.

11 July 2016, 11:23 PM	#17
DevinH "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Georgia Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 437	Beautiful watch. Congrats!

12 July 2016, 01:45 AM	#18
Aceldama "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Central Cal Watch: Dads Omega Cal 601 Posts: 707	Beautiful watch! Considering it's from your father, keep it and get it fixed up. RSC is just too big of a risk, as others have mentioned. Your signature says you're in Dallas, so I would consider driving it over to Arlington and having the Ridely's take a look at it and give you a quote. They brought my '72 5513 back to spec and I was very happy with their service. Once you get a quote, shop around at some of the independents. Take your time and do your research when selecting a watchmaker.

12 July 2016, 04:02 AM	#19
freed0m "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 13	Thanks everyone, your valuable insight and recommendation is sincerely appreciated. No RSC it is :) I'll contact the local independent to get it working again.

12 July 2016, 05:37 AM	#23
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	You have one of the best in your back yard, Bob Ridley, look him up

12 July 2016, 06:37 AM	#24
Paul "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,000	Whoops. I said "gilt hands" before .... A closer look and I think I see standard steel hands . That's probably totally correct for a late gilt dial 5513 too. Looks like a real survivor all round.

12 July 2016, 07:56 AM	#25
Wing Zero "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: JC Location: Earth Watch: 1680 ~ 16610LV Posts: 811	great looking MF. 40k is pushing it though lol. Good luck and post more pictures when you get a chance. __________________ ********************** **********************

12 July 2016, 01:10 PM	#26
alanszabojr "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Las Vegas Watch: A few Rolexes Posts: 29	Another vote for ABC well now LA watchworks

12 July 2016, 01:34 PM	#27
freed0m "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 13	It's Alive! hmmm... it seems the Submariner is working, the second hand is moving and seems to keep time accurately. Does this watch run on battery or some sort of kinetic movement?

12 July 2016, 01:47 PM	#30
AgentHsu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mr. Hsu Location: Los Angeles, CA Watch: Datejust Posts: 607	It runs on a power reserve from its movement. The power reserve is charged by winding and movement.

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