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Erpin · 24 May 2017, 10:22 PM

I have been offered a Rolex Submariner Red with tropical dial. My question is if the tropical dial happens only in "meters first" dials because the one for sale looks like it has a Mk5 "feet first" dial? Your thoughts would be highly appreciated.

Picture of the watch below.

thomaspp · 24 May 2017, 10:28 PM

My understanding is that tropical is most common on Mk2 meters first dials. I had not seen a feet first tropical dial but then again I haven't been looking...

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1675-David · 24 May 2017, 10:36 PM

my first question is "who is selling it?"

Vincent65 · 25 May 2017, 01:03 AM

I seem to recall seeing the occasional MKIV going slightly tropical as well, but not many.

Erpin · 25 May 2017, 02:22 AM

i may be wrong but the dial appears to be original.

cowboy music · 25 May 2017, 03:30 AM

I thought I read somewhere (on this site or VRF maybe?) that true tropical dials only really occur on gilt dials. Is that not correct?

Gina Marie · 25 May 2017, 03:43 AM

a well known dealer on this site has one in his personal collection. Makes sense as some paint was likely held over. Very cool. Very rare. Buy after you check it out but i would buy.

roh123 · 25 May 2017, 05:02 AM

I know Andrew Shear had one before. In this case I am not too convinced as I think the puffy lume is later which could suggest the tropical brown color is actually water damage.

Just thinking out loud.. :)

r4gs · 25 May 2017, 05:07 AM

Erpin, the dial is fake. Compare with a genuine MK5 red sub dial and the font alignment will be the first giveaway. The shiny, crystalline lume is another giveaway.

Erpin · 25 May 2017, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by r4gs

Erpin, the dial is fake. Compare with a genuine MK5 red sub dial and the font alignment will be the first giveaway. The shiny, crystalline lume is another giveaway.

I will view the watch tomorrow and will compare it with my mk5 single red sub. I am bringing also my watchmaker because i will insist on opening the watch so i can check the edges of the dial for signs of the original black paint.

Wing Zero · 25 May 2017, 05:25 AM

Good eye. R4gs

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KarlFr · 25 May 2017, 06:27 AM

agreed fake. ´c´in chronometer shouldn't be directly under ´=´in a red dial

Sky21 · 25 May 2017, 09:25 AM

Here is a good read with a fake dial midway down that appears very similar to the one above. Focus on the last two lines of print.

http://rolexpassionreport.com/174/ev...iner-ref-1680/

springer · 25 May 2017, 09:57 AM

The dial is a feet first, so, let's see, that would make it a Mark IV, V or VI. It is not a Mark IV, V, VI so that would mean it is something else - another one of the fake dials proliferating the hobby these days.

Why waste any time going to see it?

scooba · 29 May 2017, 05:23 AM

Tropical Red Submariner on Andrew Shears archives

scooba · 29 May 2017, 05:24 AM

Tropical Sub

Frogman4me · 29 May 2017, 10:59 AM

The dial is an obvious fake when comparing it to any real feet first dial. I hope it is not being sold by a "reputable" dealer.

subx · 30 May 2017, 12:11 AM

yep, fake dial, eot.

Erpin · 14 June 2017, 11:59 PM

Thanks to all your advise. After comparing it with my mk5 red sub, it was clear that the dial is fake.

swish77 · 15 June 2017, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erpin

Thanks to all your advise. After comparing it with my mk5 red sub, it was clear that the dial is fake.

Who was the seller?

glotzlaw · 15 June 2017, 12:26 AM

I also thought tropical red sub was always meters first but I did just see this feet first tropical dial for sale:

http://eng.tempusorologi.it/prod/151...l_in_steel.php

glotzlaw · 15 June 2017, 01:06 AM

Elvio Piva. Tempus in Italy who is on Rolex Passion Markwt and has a good rep ...

Kiaraff · 15 June 2017, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by glotzlaw

Elvio Piva. Tempus in Italy who is on Rolex Passion Markwt and has a good rep ...

Links?

glotzlaw · 15 June 2017, 08:36 AM

http://eng.tempusorologi.it/prod/151...l_in_steel.php

SubKing · 15 June 2017, 08:50 AM

I cannot comment for sure based on the 1 picture you provided.

I can tell you that while it is extremely rare, ft first chocolate dials do exist. I have a mk5 that is going brown. I know Andrew Shear had one and might still have it.

I wouldn't say mine is extreme tropical chocolate but it is deff on its way. pic below

AASH · 15 June 2017, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubKing

I cannot comment for sure based on the 1 picture you provided.

I can tell you that while it is extremely rare, ft first chocolate dials do exist. I have a mk5 that is going brown. I know Andrew Shear had one and might still have it.

I wouldn't say mine is extreme tropical chocolate but it is deff on its way. pic below

Stunning piece! Love its look!

SubKing · 15 June 2017, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AASH

Stunning piece! Love its look!

Thank you!

Gliderguy · 15 June 2017, 10:02 AM

I do not want to offend anybody but the watch in the first picture by the OP is not the same as the one on the referred site.

AASH · 15 June 2017, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gliderguy

I do not want to offend anybody but the watch in the first picture by the OP is not the same as the one on the referred site.

I think they were referring to an example of none-meter first tropical dial. The one on the site though is MK4. It is actually brownish not tropical at least to my eyes

glotzlaw · 15 June 2017, 03:20 PM

I thought tropical included brown. See: http://www.drsd.com/watch-info/red-sub/redsub.html

24 May 2017, 10:22 PM	#1
Erpin 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Eric Location: Philippines Watch: Rolex DRSD Posts: 680	Rolex Single Red Tropical Dial I have been offered a Rolex Submariner Red with tropical dial. My question is if the tropical dial happens only in "meters first" dials because the one for sale looks like it has a Mk5 "feet first" dial? Your thoughts would be highly appreciated. Picture of the watch below.

24 May 2017, 10:28 PM	#2
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,137	My understanding is that tropical is most common on Mk2 meters first dials. I had not seen a feet first tropical dial but then again I haven't been looking... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

25 May 2017, 01:03 AM	#4
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	I seem to recall seeing the occasional MKIV going slightly tropical as well, but not many. __________________

25 May 2017, 05:25 AM	#11
Wing Zero "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: JC Location: Earth Watch: 1680 ~ 16610LV Posts: 811	Good eye. R4gs Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ ********************** **********************

25 May 2017, 06:27 AM	#12
KarlFr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Scandinavia Watch: ♛ Posts: 1,330	agreed fake. ´c´in chronometer shouldn't be directly under ´=´in a red dial __________________ Insta

24 May 2017, 10:36 PM	#3
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,060	my first question is "who is selling it?"

25 May 2017, 02:22 AM	#5
Erpin 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Eric Location: Philippines Watch: Rolex DRSD Posts: 680	i may be wrong but the dial appears to be original.

25 May 2017, 03:30 AM	#6
cowboy music "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Texas Watch: 5513 Posts: 134	I thought I read somewhere (on this site or VRF maybe?) that true tropical dials only really occur on gilt dials. Is that not correct?

25 May 2017, 03:43 AM	#7
Gina Marie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: USA Baby! Posts: 1,068	a well known dealer on this site has one in his personal collection. Makes sense as some paint was likely held over. Very cool. Very rare. Buy after you check it out but i would buy.

25 May 2017, 05:02 AM	#8
roh123 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Per Location: Sweden Watch: Gilt Rolex Posts: 2,946	I know Andrew Shear had one before. In this case I am not too convinced as I think the puffy lume is later which could suggest the tropical brown color is actually water damage. Just thinking out loud.. :)

25 May 2017, 05:07 AM	#9
r4gs "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Matt Location: Singapore Posts: 115	Erpin, the dial is fake. Compare with a genuine MK5 red sub dial and the font alignment will be the first giveaway. The shiny, crystalline lume is another giveaway.

25 May 2017, 09:25 AM	#13
Sky21 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: USA Posts: 885	Here is a good read with a fake dial midway down that appears very similar to the one above. Focus on the last two lines of print. http://rolexpassionreport.com/174/ev...iner-ref-1680/

25 May 2017, 09:57 AM	#14
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,308	The dial is a feet first, so, let's see, that would make it a Mark IV, V or VI. It is not a Mark IV, V, VI so that would mean it is something else - another one of the fake dials proliferating the hobby these days. Why waste any time going to see it? __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

29 May 2017, 05:23 AM	#15
scooba 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Europe Watch: Anything Posts: 2,586	Tropical Red Submariner on Andrew Shears archives

29 May 2017, 10:59 AM	#17
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	The dial is an obvious fake when comparing it to any real feet first dial. I hope it is not being sold by a "reputable" dealer.

30 May 2017, 12:11 AM	#18
subx 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: usa Posts: 541	yep, fake dial, eot.

14 June 2017, 11:59 PM	#19
Erpin 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Eric Location: Philippines Watch: Rolex DRSD Posts: 680	Thanks to all your advise. After comparing it with my mk5 red sub, it was clear that the dial is fake.

15 June 2017, 12:26 AM	#21
glotzlaw "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 56	I also thought tropical red sub was always meters first but I did just see this feet first tropical dial for sale: http://eng.tempusorologi.it/prod/151...l_in_steel.php

15 June 2017, 01:06 AM	#22
glotzlaw "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 56	Elvio Piva. Tempus in Italy who is on Rolex Passion Markwt and has a good rep ...

15 June 2017, 08:36 AM	#24
glotzlaw "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 56	http://eng.tempusorologi.it/prod/151...l_in_steel.php

15 June 2017, 08:50 AM	#25
SubKing "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: USA Watch: where do i start?? Posts: 3,254	I cannot comment for sure based on the 1 picture you provided. I can tell you that while it is extremely rare, ft first chocolate dials do exist. I have a mk5 that is going brown. I know Andrew Shear had one and might still have it. I wouldn't say mine is extreme tropical chocolate but it is deff on its way. pic below

15 June 2017, 10:02 AM	#28
Gliderguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Alberto Garcia Location: Argentina Watch: 5513 Posts: 188	I do not want to offend anybody but the watch in the first picture by the OP is not the same as the one on the referred site.

15 June 2017, 03:20 PM	#30
glotzlaw "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 56	I thought tropical included brown. See: http://www.drsd.com/watch-info/red-sub/redsub.html

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