Help me, please! I don't know the model!

[JurosCompostos]

Hi guys!

I am sorry to use my first post to ask for help, but I would love to finally discover what is the model of my Patek Philippe!

It belonged to my Grand papa, he must have bought in the 1950's or 60,s, I'm not sure. I don't have the box. Its made of rose gold (I guess) the band and the case. Also, I would like to know how much it's worthy, more or less.

Please, I am not trying to sell the watch, I just want to have an estimative!

Thanks very much!

[lapince]

Without a pic impossible to say, post pics

[PJ S]

We don’t do estimates, that’s a service which specialist dealers provide.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and say it’s a fake.

1) 1st post/just joined – check
2) no box, no papers – check
3) heirloom/found in drawer – check
4) valuation request – check
5) out of focus/no photos – check

Awaiting to be proven wrong, let’s see...

[texex91]

Originally Posted by PJ S

We don’t do estimates, that’s a service which specialist dealers provide.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and say it’s a fake.

1) 1st post/just joined – check
2) no box, no papers – check
3) heirloom/found in drawer – check
4) valuation request – check
5) out of focus/no photos – check

Awaiting to be proven wrong, let’s see...

PJ he's looking for an 'estimative'. Let's give him a chance to post this beauty.

Based upon his description, my guess is $0 - $97,522*

(*pending better pics)

[dmash]

Originally Posted by texex91

PJ he's looking for an 'estimative'. Let's give him a chance to post this beauty.

Based upon his description, my guess is $0 - $97,522*

(*pending better pics)

I shouldn't have.....but I laughed

[lapince]

Originally Posted by dmash

I shouldn't have.....but I laughed

Guilty as well...

[JurosCompostos]

Sorry, here are the photos. I hope its not fake, but one think I am sure: Its made of gold. Unfortunately my Grand died long ago and I cant ask for more info. I can take more photos if needed. Thanks, guys!
https://ibb.co/jMSSAQ
https://ibb.co/mrypPk

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by JurosCompostos

Sorry, here are the photos. I hope its not fake, but one think I am sure: Its made of gold. Unfortunately my Grand died long ago and I cant ask for more info. I can take more photos if needed. Thanks, guys!
https://ibb.co/jMSSAQ
https://ibb.co/mrypPk

Better ones in natural daylight would be better, but the only true way of knowing if the watch is genuine, is to remove the case back, exposing the movement.
As it stands, if it is the real deal (not convinced the bracelet is a Patek), then what your grandfather bought himself was a Calatrava Reference 96.
You’ll find plenty of images online to compare it against and prices to give you an idea on what its value might be.

[lapince]

Like PJ said only way to be sure is to open caseback, but just an impression would tell me that it looks real, and is old, go to any watchmaker, open caseback and send us pics, better yet go to a Patek AD if one is close to you, or second hand/pawn shop

[JurosCompostos]

Ok, thanks to all. Yesterday I manually winded (?) the watch and it started to move. It is amazing! God knows for how long he was stopped! I will open the case and post the pics soon. I deeply hope it is authentic! :-)

[LitzDoc]

Not even close. It is a fake.


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[texex91]

Originally Posted by LitzDoc

Not even close. It is a fake.


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Well looks like I was spot on $0

[watch-guy.com]

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reference number may not be stamped on inside of case but should have case and movement number

Better pics would help

Julian

[MILGAUSS88]

Originally Posted by LitzDoc

Not even close. It is a fake.


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Based on what? Looks legit to me.
Aftermarket bracelet, which was common with earlier Pateks.
I would guess Ref 96 as well.

[LitzDoc]

Originally Posted by MILGAUSS88

Based on what? Looks legit to me.
Aftermarket bracelet, which was common with earlier Pateks.
I would guess Ref 96 as well.

My opinion on this watch is based based on my experience with Patek over the last 40 years. I have owned and currently own multiple Patek Philippe watches for the last 30 years and prior to that my father has owned multiple Patek Philippe.

Pictures show a cheap unfinished watch. Obviously the only way to find out is to bring it to a watchmaker. But my opinion is that it's a fake.

Read the book Blink by Malcolm Gladwell and you understand what I'm talking about.



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[codecow]

Lol you shouldn't have wound it.

[watchucallit]

instead change the battery ?

Originally Posted by codecow

Lol you shouldn't have wound it.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by watchucallit

instead change the battery ?

An old watch like that should be serviced before use.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by codecow

An old watch like that should be serviced before use.

^^^Important advice. Never a good idea to try winding a watch of that age that's been sitting idle, tempting as it must be. It needs a proper servicing first to avoid any accidental damage to the mechanism that might result.

[Tony64]

If the watch proves to be real (despite its admittedly suspect pretext), then I'd service and clean the head, add a quality strap, and source a vintage buckle.
If the bracelet's gold then you could scrap it and recover a significant portion of your cost.

When all's said and done, you'll have a $7k-10k watch (rough estimate) and more importantly an excellent remembrance of your grandfather. Most would be envious.

[rolehex]

For the reference/model number...My guess is its a combination of 4 digits. Hope that helps.

[Tony64]

Maybe it's the low resolution of these photos, or maybe it's my own inexperience with vintage Patek, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this as fake. The bracelet is clearly not of Patek design, but the watch itself seems like a legit 96.

Interested to see the watch opened, and the response from the naysayers then.

[AK797]

My first reaction was fake, but the dial looks more genuine.

[texex91]

This is why I gave a range on my 'estimative'. Cover bases.

[hutchman]

I believe the watch head is real. There is too much detail on the dial for it to be fake like the angled hour markers at the six o'clock sub dial.

[jerseyden]

I don't think the watch is fake. I maybe wrong but I'd go for ref:96 or depending on watch diameter, maybe 570. The bracelet is definitely not PP. This is only my opinion judging from the rather poor quality photographs.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by jerseyden

I don't think the watch is fake. I maybe wrong but I'd go for ref:96 or depending on watch diameter, maybe 570. The bracelet is definitely not PP. This is only my opinion judging from the rather poor quality photographs.

That would be a more valuable watch, but iirc the 570 had a center sweep second hand unlike the OP's sub seconds

[jerseyden]

Originally Posted by Tony64

That would be a more valuable watch, but iirc the 570 had a center sweep second hand unlike the OP's sub seconds

When PP introduced the 570 in 1938 it was with sub seconds at 6. The sweeping second hand was introduced a year later.
It would be nice if the OP's watch was the 570, but more likely to be the 96.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by jerseyden

When PP introduced the 570 in 1938 it was with sub seconds at 6. The sweeping second hand was introduced a year later.
It would be nice if the OP's watch was the 570, but more likely to be the 96.

Didn't know that, thanks!

[watch-guy.com]

Easy to differentiate 570 from 96

Ref 96 is smaller about 32mm across whereas the ref 570 is about 36mm

J