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Old 23 March 2018, 07:52 PM   #1
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New Tudor Black Bay Fifty-Eight vs. Rolex Submariner?

What you think? The new Black Bay Fifty-Eight from Baselworld 2018 or the well-known Submariner (114060)?

All the old issues are now solved with the new Black Bay. It‘s smaller (imo perfect size), it‘s thinner (11.9mm) and has a nice inhouse movement. What‘s the reason for an Sub instead of a BB58?

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Old 23 March 2018, 07:55 PM   #2
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What 'old issues' are you talking about?
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Old 23 March 2018, 08:04 PM   #3
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What 'old issues' are you talking about?
I'm guessing the OP is referring to the thickness and 41 mm size of the original BB.
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Old 23 March 2018, 11:08 PM   #4
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The old issues are IMHO the size, the thickness and especially the lug to lug distance.
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Old 23 March 2018, 11:09 PM   #5
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What 'old issues' are you talking about?
The old issues are IMHO the size, the thickness and especially the lug to lug distance.
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Old 23 March 2018, 07:57 PM   #6
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New Tudor Black Bay Fifty-Eight vs. Rolex Submariner?

I'd like to see one in the flesh but on paper the new Tudor looks to be what the Submariner used to be - a good quality, robust tool watch that won't cost hundreds to repair if you damage the bezel.
It will be even better you stand a chance of finding one in an AD and don't have the nonsense of retaining Warranty Cards, removing stickers and copying divers licenses that seem to be becoming the norm if buying a Rolex Submariner through an AD.


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Old 23 March 2018, 08:03 PM   #7
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No contest. For anyone bemoaning the advent of the maxi-case, the Tudor wins hands down.


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Old 23 March 2018, 08:03 PM   #8
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What‘s the reason for an Sub instead of a BB58?
They're two different watches with different looks, attributes, price points, and (ostensibly) target markets. Neither is better nor worse; they're just different. Some people like the upscale look of the Sub, with the ceramic bezel, platinum scale, gloss dial, 904L steel, super-case design, more refined endpieces and bracelet, and Glidelock clasp. Others might prefer the more "vintage" look of the BB58. I prefer the Sub, for the reasons I've listed.
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Old 3 July 2018, 06:17 AM   #9
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-ceramic bezel
-platinum scale
-gloss dial
-904L steel
-super-case design
-more refined endpieces and bracelet
-Glidelock clasp.
Perfect list as to why someone would choose the Sub over the 58. And I do prefer the Sub. Its a stunna!
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Old 3 July 2018, 11:39 PM   #10
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Perfect list as to why someone would choose the Sub over the 58. And I do prefer the Sub. Its a stunna!


Perfect list of someone who is willing to pay over double the price of a tudor for the Rolex...

Outside of forums where most people may have only one decent watch a person who is considering the Tudor BB58 isn’t also looking at a Rolex Sub due to the price differential. Yes if they were the same price then the sub would be the obvious winner...but they aren’t the same price and as such are targeted at different markets and are not comparable.
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Old 7 July 2018, 02:12 PM   #11
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Perfect list of someone who is willing to pay over double the price of a tudor for the Rolex...

Outside of forums where most people may have only one decent watch a person who is considering the Tudor BB58 isn’t also looking at a Rolex Sub due to the price differential. Yes if they were the same price then the sub would be the obvious winner...but they aren’t the same price and as such are targeted at different markets and are not comparable.
EXACTLY! They are not comparable. Its a superior watch in the ways listed. Its part of why someone would choose to pay $4,000 more for a Sub.
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Old 23 March 2018, 08:53 PM   #12
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Its a matter of taste
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Old 23 March 2018, 11:54 PM   #13
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Its a matter of taste
This, 100% this. Not everyone loves the gilt printing and red triangle at 12. They may fill the same general need, but the Sub is still a very different watch.
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Old 23 March 2018, 09:05 PM   #14
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BlackBay should've been 39 since day one, it is too big and too thick at 41.
Sub is just perfect, but it's 2x the price of the BB.
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Old 23 March 2018, 09:10 PM   #15
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I don't think the Black Bay 58 and the Submariner 114060 are an equal comparison. If you were saying the standard BB vs. the Submariner it would be easier. The 58 is for a specific client and will sell well but it is no submariner. And that could be good or bad depending on the buyer. I like Tudor and the diversity in the line-up.
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Old 23 March 2018, 09:41 PM   #16
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nothing touches a sub in terms of dive watches imo.

i would take a subc over any other dive watch on the planet.
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Old 23 March 2018, 09:44 PM   #17
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I think the BB looks very appealing. Not sure it’s a sub replacement but nonetheless a great watch!


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Old 23 March 2018, 09:45 PM   #18
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Sub no question
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Old 23 March 2018, 11:19 PM   #19
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Sub no question
And no doubt!!!
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Old 23 March 2018, 09:46 PM   #20
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Sub is always more accurate in current form. Glidelock. Cerachrom
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Old 11 June 2018, 11:20 AM   #21
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Sub is always more accurate in current form. Glidelock. Cerachrom
More accurate? The sub is only more accurate if it's been regulated to be so. I can't see anything in the architecture of the new Tudor movement that makes me think it will not remain accurate over time any better/worse than a modern sub...
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Old 11 June 2018, 09:25 PM   #22
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More accurate? The sub is only more accurate if it's been regulated to be so. I can't see anything in the architecture of the new Tudor movement that makes me think it will not remain accurate over time any better/worse than a modern sub...
There’s actually evidence that the new Tudor movements are more precise than the old 3135. Great long term thread over on another forum about it. The new Tudor movements have incredibly low positional variance.
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Old 9 July 2018, 01:51 AM   #23
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The stepped riveted bracket on the 58 is a no go for me. Rolex/Tudor moved away from it decades ago. It looks crap compared to a nice tapered oyster. That’s a good reason to stay away from new black bays. The ETA has a nicer look even if the proportions aren’t perfectly classic.

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Old 23 March 2018, 10:03 PM   #24
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The BB58 fixes the issue of thickness and diameter.
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Old 23 March 2018, 10:10 PM   #25
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The BB58 fixes the issue of thickness and diameter.
And the color insert of the crown. I am not a fan of that.
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Old 23 March 2018, 10:08 PM   #26
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I think for those who really want a sub, the BB58 may scratch that itch for a little bit , but not for long. Sub still wins out IMO even though I am not totally thrilled w the maxicase (have a SubC date)... if I wanted a sub and didn’t like the subC bc of the case, I would buy a 16610 or 14060M before buying a BB58. With that said, BB58 looks awesome and good chance I will add to my collection of divers.


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Old 23 March 2018, 11:33 PM   #27
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I think for those who really want a sub, the BB58 may scratch that itch for a little bit , but not for long.
I had this thought too. I bought my sub last month and I’m glad I did because I might have went with the BB58 instead and ended up wasting more money in the long run. The Sub is great and blows my ETA Black Bay away in terms of feeling and refinement.
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Old 23 March 2018, 11:40 PM   #28
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I think for those who really want a sub, the BB58 may scratch that itch for a little bit , but not for long. Sub still wins out IMO even though I am not totally thrilled w the maxicase (have a SubC date)... if I wanted a sub and didn’t like the subC bc of the case, I would buy a 16610 or 14060M before buying a BB58. With that said, BB58 looks awesome and good chance I will add to my collection of divers.


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It's taken me a bit, but I agree on other watches only 'scracthing the itch'. Nothing really beats the Sub. Omega, JLC, Breitling, Tudor....no decently comparable brand is putting out the combo Rolex does with that model. The aesthetics, durability, 5 year warranty and overall build quality are sort of unparalleled. Trust me, I've tried to find a suitable replacement for years and just finally came to terms the Sub is in a league of its own. It just works, if you want a 'do everything' timepiece that you don't need to worry about.
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tudor has redesigned new lines, and creates very interesting models

between the two models, I would have no doubt, I choose the tudor, but if I had to compare it with the 16610, I would choose the submariner
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Old 23 March 2018, 10:16 PM   #30
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What you think? The new Black Bay Fifty-Eight from Baselworld 2018 or the well-known Submariner (114060)?



All the old issues are now solved with the new Black Bay. It‘s smaller (imo perfect size), it‘s thinner (11.9mm) and has a nice inhouse movement. What‘s the reason for an Sub instead of a BB58?



Thanks for your answer...


It’s tough to compare the two. One is triple A. The other is major league. I like the sub (114060) about 10,000x more. I wouldn’t mind having the BB58 as a beater watch though.


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