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bayerische · 9 August 2018, 04:12 PM

Hi guys,

I have a local used watch dealer (I offered this Sea Dweller in trade) claiming this has a fake case... I've recently bought it from another dealer, so no doubt I'll get my money back if it was fake.

So have a look at the pictures please. The watch is a circa 1991 Sea Dweller. It has replacement Luminova dial and hands, as is the insert luminova. It has a correct 93160A bracelet with a date code of 2003 (would match the dials and hands if it had a huge service/repair back then) No papers.

IMHO the text between the lugs looks ok.

This grey bases his fake claims on that he has a friend inside Rolex geneva with whom he can check serial numbers... And that the check of this Serial came back as a 16610 (Date-Sub).

RoyalOac · 9 August 2018, 04:18 PM

Does it have the escape valve on the side?

bayerische · 9 August 2018, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyalOac

Does it have the escape valve on the side?

Yes.

Flier · 9 August 2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyalOac

Does it have the escape valve on the side?

My thoughts

bayerische · 9 August 2018, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flier

My thoughts

Yes, see pics.

RoyalOac · 9 August 2018, 04:23 PM

I would bring it to a Rolex service center just to be sure, or try calling them. However I am skeptical tbat he has an insider who would just check serials for him on command.

bayerische · 9 August 2018, 04:26 PM

Few more pics...

roosvelt · 9 August 2018, 05:07 PM

I'm no expert but the engraving between the lugs just looks to crisp/deep. Even the engraving on the case back. Just my obs.

edweather · 9 August 2018, 08:49 PM

Is it possible that someone on this site has a connection to confirm the serial number? Not an expert, but it looks pretty good to me. Hope he's just not trying to talk down the watch to a low price.

bayerische · 9 August 2018, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by edweather

Is it possible that someone on this site has a connection to confirm the serial number?

Would indeed be great. I will bring it to my AD, but would be great to get some more info.

Looking at HQMilton's excellent "database" I managed to compare to other X-series watches. There are some differences, but seems very common.

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...sc-papers-3816

brandrea · 9 August 2018, 08:52 PM

The only way to be certain is to take to RSC

I know you know that already

Gtecko · 9 August 2018, 10:04 PM

engraving looks good to me. did you weigh it out ?
I am surprised someone would have a connection in Rolex (Geneva??) that would check the serial just like that ... quite odd.

bayerische · 9 August 2018, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gtecko

engraving looks good to me. did you weigh it out ?
I am surprised someone would have a connection in Rolex (Geneva??) that would check the serial just like that ... quite odd.

That’s what he claims. I’m just as surprised.

tudorbaja27 · 9 August 2018, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gtecko

engraving looks good to me. did you weigh it out ?
I am surprised someone would have a connection in Rolex (Geneva??) that would check the serial just like that ... quite odd.

I would think twice before believing that...

bayerische · 10 August 2018, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tudorbaja27

I would think twice before believing that...

I would imagine a terminated work contract if Rolex found out considering their commitment to secrecy.

bayerische · 10 August 2018, 02:09 AM

Couple of loupe shots.

Al1969 · 10 August 2018, 02:25 AM

Not an expert here, but looks good from here. I was unaware the LEC went back to the 90s or is that a replacement ?

bayerische · 10 August 2018, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Al1969

Not an expert here, but looks good from here. I was unaware the LEC went back to the 90s or is that a replacement ?

Replacement, as is the dial and hands.

Al1969 · 10 August 2018, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bayerische

Replacement, as is the dial and hands.

That’s what I figured.

junamuan · 10 August 2018, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bayerische

Replacement, as is the dial and hands.

if it's replacement, then it has to have S in the LEC to indicate it was replaced.

bayerische · 10 August 2018, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by junamuan

if it's replacement, then it has to have S in the LEC to indicate it was replaced.

Yes it should, but I'm guessing there might be a bit of Dr Frankenstein going on... Which is fine for me, I just don't want a fake case!

crowncollection · 10 August 2018, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by junamuan

if it's replacement, then it has to have S in the LEC to indicate it was replaced.

Rolex no longer mark send service crystals with the s

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bayerische · 10 August 2018, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

Rolex no longer mark send service crystals with the s

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David you are the man when it comes to WatchOut, thanks for this info.

fskywalker · 10 August 2018, 04:01 AM

Case looks good. Has the movement been checked inside?

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jvmartin · 10 August 2018, 06:16 AM

Case engraving is spot on and believable when compared to the condition of the watch... not sure about his inside man...

tigey · 10 August 2018, 06:33 AM

It seems legit, very sharp and crisp. I dont think any fakes take the time to do that

GLADIATOR · 10 August 2018, 12:02 PM

In my opinion watch and bracelet are genuine.

Replacement crystal but it looks ROLEX genuine.
Dial is surely replaced (its a maxi dial)

A

SG56 · 10 August 2018, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

In my opinion watch and bracelet are genuine.

Replacement crystal but it looks ROLEX genuine.
Dial is surely replaced (its a maxi dial)

A

Maxi dial looks more maxi to me.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Andad · 10 August 2018, 01:28 PM

Looks good to me.

bayerische · 10 August 2018, 06:21 PM

It's not a Maxi dial.

9 August 2018, 04:18 PM	#2
RoyalOac "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: NY Posts: 458	Does it have the escape valve on the side? __________________ Rolex Daytona 116500LN Rolex GMT Master II 126710 BLRO Rolex Submariner 116610 LV Rolex Submariner 126613 LB Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15300ST

9 August 2018, 04:23 PM	#6
RoyalOac "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: NY Posts: 458	I would bring it to a Rolex service center just to be sure, or try calling them. However I am skeptical tbat he has an insider who would just check serials for him on command. __________________ Rolex Daytona 116500LN Rolex GMT Master II 126710 BLRO Rolex Submariner 116610 LV Rolex Submariner 126613 LB Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15300ST

9 August 2018, 08:49 PM	#9
edweather "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: Georgia, USA Watch: Casio Illuminator Posts: 650	Is it possible that someone on this site has a connection to confirm the serial number? Not an expert, but it looks pretty good to me. Hope he's just not trying to talk down the watch to a low price. __________________ An expert under pressure is a drip.

10 August 2018, 02:25 AM	#17
Al1969 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,639	Not an expert here, but looks good from here. I was unaware the LEC went back to the 90s or is that a replacement ? __________________ WG SUB-116719 GMT MASTER II 126719

10 August 2018, 04:01 AM	#24
fskywalker 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Francisco Location: San Juan, PR Watch: Is Ticking ! Posts: 25,166	Between the lugs check... Case looks good. Has the movement been checked inside? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Francisco ♛ 16610 / 116264 Ω 168.022 / 2535.80.00 / 310.30.42.50.01.002 / 210.90.42.20.01.001 Zenith 02.480.405 2FA security enabled

9 August 2018, 05:07 PM	#8
roosvelt Banned Join Date: Aug 2018 Real Name: achille Location: Grosse Pointe Mi. Watch: 16613 serti 18078 Posts: 446	I'm no expert but the engraving between the lugs just looks to crisp/deep. Even the engraving on the case back. Just my obs.

9 August 2018, 08:52 PM	#11
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 77,893	The only way to be certain is to take to RSC I know you know that already

9 August 2018, 10:04 PM	#12
Gtecko "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Halifax Posts: 518	engraving looks good to me. did you weigh it out ? I am surprised someone would have a connection in Rolex (Geneva??) that would check the serial just like that ... quite odd.

10 August 2018, 06:16 AM	#25
jvmartin "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,349	Case engraving is spot on and believable when compared to the condition of the watch... not sure about his inside man...

10 August 2018, 06:33 AM	#26
tigey "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Belize Posts: 271	It seems legit, very sharp and crisp. I dont think any fakes take the time to do that

10 August 2018, 12:02 PM	#27
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	In my opinion watch and bracelet are genuine. Replacement crystal but it looks ROLEX genuine. Dial is surely replaced (its a maxi dial) A __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

10 August 2018, 01:28 PM	#29
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,505	Looks good to me. __________________ E

10 August 2018, 06:21 PM	#30
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	It's not a Maxi dial. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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