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athom · 20 June 2019, 08:04 AM

Hi guys, I'd like your opinion about a trade, no matter the price. Here it's not about money but what would you do and especially why would you (not )do it?

Would you trade a 5513 meter first '67 top condition with papers (+ money) against a very late NOS Black 16520 ?

Thank you mates!

roh123 · 20 June 2019, 08:19 AM

Never ever.

athom · 20 June 2019, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by roh123

Never ever.

Thanks mate, could you please just explain a bit more?

Juhuatai · 20 June 2019, 08:21 AM

No.

athom · 20 June 2019, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Juhuatai

No.

Could you also please explain a bit.

sillo · 20 June 2019, 08:35 AM

My answer may change depending on what else you have in your collection, but no I probably wouldn't.

athom · 20 June 2019, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sillo38

My answer may change depending on what else you have in your collection, but no I probably wouldn't.

I'd next to that think about selling a 16700 and a speedmaster from '67...then I'd - only - have a ceramic sub for everyday and a 16520.

1665fan · 20 June 2019, 09:11 AM

I would in a heartbeat...

athom · 20 June 2019, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 1665fan

I would in a heartbeat...

Why?

Lgear080 · 20 June 2019, 09:15 AM

If the Daytona is gonna sit in your safe the answer is no. If you’re gonna wear it then most def yes. The money matters, so I’d want to add as little as possible. How can you be certain
The Daytona is unworn? This is a frequently inaccurate claim.

athom · 20 June 2019, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lgear080

If the Daytona is gonna sit in your safe the answer is no. If you’re gonna wear it then most def yes. The money matters, so I’d want to add as little as possible. How can you be certain
The Daytona is unworn? This is a frequently inaccurate claim.

I'd wear it for sure ! I only buy watches to wear them! it is a full set NOS from a "famous" dealer.

springer · 20 June 2019, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by athom

I'd wear it for sure ! I only buy watches to wear them! it is a full set NOS from a "famous" dealer.

Wow, a "famous" dealer? I can only wonder who that would be. Hmmmmm.

I know many "famous" dealers that have been caught with their "pants down."

Kingface66 · 20 June 2019, 09:29 AM

I'm assuming you're thinking of this from purely an investment perspective. That is, which, in the coming years, will be more valuable. Because, from purely an aesthetic perspective, only you can answer that. Which do you prefer? I, personally, don't "get" Daytonas, but plenty of people revere them.

If each was valued the same, which would you wear?

Get that one.

athom · 20 June 2019, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingface66

I'm assuming you're thinking of this from purely an investment perspective. That is, which, in the coming years, will be more valuable. Because, from purely an aesthetic perspective, only you can answer that. Which do you prefer? I, personally, don't "get" Daytonas, but plenty of people revere them.

If each was valued the same, which would you wear?

Get that one.

I'm not really thinking about investment. I'm just thinking about having more desirable watches I don't have...The problem is that I desire more the watches I don't own yet...that's why I'm asking for opinions. If each was valued the same or not, I'd wear both. I've different watches from 7k€ to 20k€ I wear more or less all no matter the price..

In any case thanks for you help!

Lgear080 · 20 June 2019, 10:05 AM

Then do it... sounds like you’re excited about it man. You only live once.

springer · 20 June 2019, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by athom

Hi guys, I'd like your opinion about a trade, no matter the price. Here it's not about money but what would you do and especially why would you (not )do it?

Would you trade a 5513 meter first '67 top condition with papers (+ money) against a very late NOS Black 16520 ?

Thank you mates!

Not a chance. There are many more Zenith Daytonas out there than "meters first" Submariner 5513 sets.

Juhuatai · 20 June 2019, 10:20 AM

You're paying a premium for a NOS set, once you put it on your wrist, you're inevitably bound to get scratches/dings etc. You're paying for a premium that would evaporate as soon you wear your watch. It would be different for me if the Daytona was used etc. And as Springer said there are much less MF 5513 full sets than zenith Daytonas.

05carbondrz · 20 June 2019, 10:30 AM

If your trading to a “trusted Seller” You are lining His Pockets TWICE.He is going to lowball You on the Trade and expect full market for the Daytona.

oysterquartz17000 · 20 June 2019, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 05carbondrz

If your trading to a “trusted Seller” You are lining His Pockets TWICE.He is going to lowball You on the Trade and expect full market for the Daytona.

This.

Never trade with a 'dealer'. They are in it for the profit. You will look back on this with regret, I can assure you. (Yes I am speaking from experience :S)

btinl · 20 June 2019, 10:33 AM

Pic of the 5513?

Dr.Smellody · 20 June 2019, 10:56 AM

Never in one million years. Daytonas are to be had anywhere.

soicanbefree · 20 June 2019, 11:05 AM

You will 100% regret this trade. Never pay the premium for a "NOS" if you intend to wear and enjoy it. You will destroy the premium right away and start in the black.

A 5513 set is a premium, rare, stable investment grade piece.

16520 is a IMO bit bubbly and the price is a bit out of wack with reality.

The last part is subjective but you have left out how much money and what else you have to enjoy so it is really up for you to decide based on that. You would almost certainly do better just selling it on your own.

Lgear080 · 20 June 2019, 11:05 AM

Was thinking this was a certain dealer too springer. Whenever I hear the NOS acronym thrown around I cringe a bit. If the piece is going to be worn and enjoyed I don’t see why he shouldn’t do the trade. A buddy just paid around $18k at auction for a 2.2m serial 5513 w papers in “ok” condition, so I’m sure the cash gap is serious. If ithe 16520 is as described the cash value is in the 28-32k space :/

1665fan · 20 June 2019, 11:10 AM

Let’s see pics, I’d like to see the 5513 and the 16520....always love to see real NOS pieces. I’d still prefer the 16520

athom · 22 June 2019, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 1665fan

Let’s see pics, I’d like to see the 5513 and the 16520....always love to see real NOS pieces. I’d still prefer the 16520

here it is

18●20●22●▼●2●4●6 · 22 June 2019, 08:18 PM

Nice 5513. US$15,000 at the least?
Great Big Daytona Hype is so big, most are out of reasonably prices...

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Originally Posted by athom

here it is

Tom1675 · 20 June 2019, 03:08 PM

16520s are very nice but for this trade you'd need for it to be patrizzi or inverted 6, or both (does that exist?). Something to make it more collectible. As observed earlier, there are a lot of 16520s out there and I think their run-up is more due to the prices of 4 digit Daytonas spiking out of most budgets than anything.

athom · 21 June 2019, 04:43 AM

Thank you mates, I'll keep my 5513 in any case! I'll launch a new thread about another question I have...BEST !

18●20●22●▼●2●4●6 · 22 June 2019, 06:20 AM

I am wondering what is the price you are thinking to sell your "top condition with paper" 5513... I am curious on having a 5513...

Quote:

Originally Posted by athom

Hi guys, I'd like your opinion about a trade, no matter the price. Here it's not about money but what would you do and especially why would you (not )do it?

Would you trade a 5513 meter first '67 top condition with papers (+ money) against a very late NOS Black 16520 ?

Thank you mates!

johnjm · 22 June 2019, 09:07 PM

I wouldn't. 5513 is awesome

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20 June 2019, 08:04 AM	#1
athom "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 688	Trade Opinion Hi guys, I'd like your opinion about a trade, no matter the price. Here it's not about money but what would you do and especially why would you (not )do it? Would you trade a 5513 meter first '67 top condition with papers (+ money) against a very late NOS Black 16520 ? Thank you mates!

20 June 2019, 08:19 AM	#2
roh123 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Per Location: Sweden Watch: Gilt Rolex Posts: 2,946	Never ever. __________________ Instagram: @perj123

20 June 2019, 08:35 AM	#6
sillo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Sean Location: NY Watch: 5 Digit Posts: 2,840	My answer may change depending on what else you have in your collection, but no I probably wouldn't. __________________ 14060 \| 16570 \| 16600 \| 16700 \| 16800 \| 79260 @TheGMTHand

20 June 2019, 11:05 AM	#22
soicanbefree "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: NYC Posts: 263	You will 100% regret this trade. Never pay the premium for a "NOS" if you intend to wear and enjoy it. You will destroy the premium right away and start in the black. A 5513 set is a premium, rare, stable investment grade piece. 16520 is a IMO bit bubbly and the price is a bit out of wack with reality. The last part is subjective but you have left out how much money and what else you have to enjoy so it is really up for you to decide based on that. You would almost certainly do better just selling it on your own. __________________ Modern: 116610LV / 114300 / AP 15202ST / PP 5065A Vintage: 1016 - Gilt Chapter Ring Underline + Exclamation Point / 16618 - Black / 1803 Orange Stella Dial

22 June 2019, 09:07 PM	#30
johnjm "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Africa Posts: 1,152	I wouldn't. 5513 is awesome Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk __________________ 114300;116710;116500;114060;126710;5500;6084

20 June 2019, 08:21 AM	#4
Juhuatai 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Chicago Watch: 5508 & 9401 Posts: 641	No.

20 June 2019, 09:11 AM	#8
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,659	I would in a heartbeat...

20 June 2019, 09:15 AM	#10
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	If the Daytona is gonna sit in your safe the answer is no. If you’re gonna wear it then most def yes. The money matters, so I’d want to add as little as possible. How can you be certain The Daytona is unworn? This is a frequently inaccurate claim.

20 June 2019, 09:29 AM	#13
Kingface66 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: The Empire State Watch: Many Posts: 3,459	I'm assuming you're thinking of this from purely an investment perspective. That is, which, in the coming years, will be more valuable. Because, from purely an aesthetic perspective, only you can answer that. Which do you prefer? I, personally, don't "get" Daytonas, but plenty of people revere them. If each was valued the same, which would you wear? Get that one.

20 June 2019, 10:05 AM	#15
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	Then do it... sounds like you’re excited about it man. You only live once.

20 June 2019, 10:20 AM	#17
Juhuatai 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Chicago Watch: 5508 & 9401 Posts: 641	You're paying a premium for a NOS set, once you put it on your wrist, you're inevitably bound to get scratches/dings etc. You're paying for a premium that would evaporate as soon you wear your watch. It would be different for me if the Daytona was used etc. And as Springer said there are much less MF 5513 full sets than zenith Daytonas.

20 June 2019, 10:30 AM	#18
05carbondrz Banned Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,030	If your trading to a “trusted Seller” You are lining His Pockets TWICE.He is going to lowball You on the Trade and expect full market for the Daytona.

20 June 2019, 10:33 AM	#20
btinl 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: . Watch: on my wrist Posts: 1,962	Pic of the 5513?

20 June 2019, 10:56 AM	#21
Dr.Smellody "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 5,388	Never in one million years. Daytonas are to be had anywhere.

20 June 2019, 11:10 AM	#24
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,659	Let’s see pics, I’d like to see the 5513 and the 16520....always love to see real NOS pieces. I’d still prefer the 16520

20 June 2019, 03:08 PM	#27
Tom1675 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Real Name: Tom Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,186	16520s are very nice but for this trade you'd need for it to be patrizzi or inverted 6, or both (does that exist?). Something to make it more collectible. As observed earlier, there are a lot of 16520s out there and I think their run-up is more due to the prices of 4 digit Daytonas spiking out of most budgets than anything.

21 June 2019, 04:43 AM	#28
athom "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 688	Thank you mates, I'll keep my 5513 in any case! I'll launch a new thread about another question I have...BEST !

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