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nabiel28 · 26 July 2019, 05:15 PM

Hi Folks
I have an option on the following , just not sure about the dial
it has the papers - serial number dates to 1971 ( serial no 286***3)
Bill sale is May 73

The little knowledge I know of this era I cant find any with just the swiss marking at 6 o clock . I would really appreciate thoughts from my friends with much more knowledge than I .

Pictures not great I know , more coming

Many thanks in advance

nabiel28 · 26 July 2019, 05:48 PM

additional picture with Papers
, many thanks in advance

1675-David · 26 July 2019, 06:39 PM

The first thing that strikes me is the service dial..

faimag · 26 July 2019, 07:34 PM

Service dial and the jubilee is probably not original to the watch as the endlinks are something-55 (usually the GMT endlinks end in something-50). But most importantly, is look kinda beat-up, brother.

1665fan · 26 July 2019, 11:13 PM

Nice crown guards that’s about it

nabiel28 · 27 July 2019, 03:22 AM

Many thanks guys much appreciated !!
As ever you are awesome ��

brand_c · 27 July 2019, 04:12 AM

Thick case, functional luminova dial with printed markers (even a rarer combo in my opinion)...sign me up....

Bracelet has seen better days tho...

Curious as to what everyone thinks about service dials that look vintage but have luminova plots on them...I personally love them.

05carbondrz · 27 July 2019, 04:13 AM

That doesn’t look like a 1971 GMT case to me,Those Crown Guards look like 16760 fat lady style.

donq · 27 July 2019, 05:37 AM

Bezel looks off. Maybe from a Sea Dweller?

Springer will come along soon and set us all straight...

springer · 27 July 2019, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donq

Bezel looks off. Maybe from a Sea Dweller?

Springer will come along soon and set us all straight...

My only comment will be ... bargain basement shopping leaves you with bargain basement watches. Seems to be the trend lately.

patrolmi · 27 July 2019, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

My only comment will be ... bargain basement shopping leaves you with bargain basement watches. Seems to be the trend lately.

Agree! A lot of bargain watches are hard to price too - usually the value will be much lower then someone thinks, comparing to top line "A" examples. Whereas a good example of this watch might bring 15-20k, a bargain example is worth what, 6-8k USD?

nabiel28 · 27 July 2019, 04:31 PM

Thanks folks I take springers point but I don’t have very deep pockets !!!
Should I partake at circa 6k usd , always wanted a Pepsi .
Your thoughts as ever really appreciated

lhanddds · 27 July 2019, 11:11 PM

Unfortunately, it will be difficult to get in the game at that price. That doesn't mean you should quit looking. Things are pretty crazy now

. I keep an eye on things constantly because you never know.

patrolmi · 29 July 2019, 01:19 PM

Here's a Matte service dial comp sort of . I like this site, prices seem decent and they have a good rep.

https://lunaroyster.com/product/1968...-pepsi-insert/

patrolmi · 29 July 2019, 01:23 PM

That price seems in the ballpark too-- it's possible you could get the case polished out some-- from an operational standpoint- if you have checked it on a timegrapher or know it's running solid- this watch will last forever. From an investment standpoint, it will probably at least hold its own. the examples that you see the big numbers for are usually historically perfect. Was the bracelet correct? If not, that price actually might be a little high for that condition.

nabiel28 · 30 July 2019, 04:01 AM

Hi All , great posts thanks further pics enclosed , your advice on the number quoted above around the 6kusd mark about right for my first pepsi ? based on the pics does it all look good ?? again your advice is greatly appreciated.

patrolmi · 30 July 2019, 04:37 AM

The "E" date code on the bracelet is 1980. The "555" endlinks aren't "correct", it should be 550 I believe.... so somewhere along the way the bracelet got switched up. the 555 is for the Datejust-- and it fits slightly differently although it still works. .. if your budget is low around $6k, you won't find too many options-- it comes down to a matter of taste with what you give and take. A correct replacement bracelet pushes $1500-2000.... does the bracelet fit? Others here should be able to give more of an opinion on the watch head.

1675-David · 30 July 2019, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrolmi

The "E" date code on the bracelet is 1980. The "555" endlinks aren't "correct", it should be 550 I believe.... so somewhere along the way the bracelet got switched up. the 555 is for the Datejust-- and it fits slightly differently although it still works. .. if your budget is low around $6k, you won't find too many options-- it comes down to a matter of taste with what you give and take. A correct replacement bracelet pushes $1500-2000.... does the bracelet fit? Others here should be able to give more of an opinion on the watch head.

this watch is worth the sum of it's genuine Rolex parts, the service dial, the ropey jubilee and the movement don't make this a 6k watch.

The case is fake. Walk away!!

1675-David · 30 July 2019, 04:34 AM

Case looks straight out of Vietnam.

blackbard · 3 August 2019, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1675-David

Case looks straight out of Vietnam.

I agree....The crown guards are suspect.

lee fowler · 30 July 2019, 05:24 AM

As already said stay away.

nabiel28 · 30 July 2019, 05:45 AM

That's what I love about this forum, no nonsense expert advice !
Thanks will stay clear and keep hunting !!Thanks patrolmi for the link and advice etc
Much appreciated all !!!

bob78h · 3 August 2019, 08:06 AM

As others have commented, the shape of the crown guards don't look quite right to me.

Mr.Rolex1 · 3 August 2019, 08:16 AM

I beg to differ and feel the lugs and crown guards are fine for its age.
You could replace the bracelet but it wouldn't bother me
I think its great if you can get it for a low price

I remember these were under $k all day long but with demand at all time highs- doubt we'll ever see prices that low ever again

springer · 3 August 2019, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Rolex1

I beg to differ and feel the lugs and crown guards are fine for its age.
You could replace the bracelet but it wouldn't bother me
I think its great if you can get it for a low price

I remember these were under $k all day long but with demand at all time highs- doubt we'll ever see prices that low ever again

So, based on your expert advice, do you disagree with others and believe the case is genuine or just the case engravings having been redone or there are no case issues at all?

bazin · 3 August 2019, 09:16 AM

*****
As an example / information....to compare.....band, clasp and case of a 1675 GMT Master.
My 41 year old 1978 GMT as 1st owner, never parts changed (even not plastic glass, inlay, etc.); full set of box / doc, purch. inv. and never polished.....daily worn from 1978-2010....

bazin · 3 August 2019, 09:22 AM

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30 July 2019, 05:24 AM	#21
lee fowler 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: UK Watch: GMT Posts: 2,559	As already said stay away. __________________ Instagram: @lee1563

3 August 2019, 09:22 AM	#27
bazin "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: N/A Posts: 271	*** Last edited by bazin; 3 August 2019 at 10:13 AM.. Reason: Dual posting

26 July 2019, 06:39 PM	#3
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,060	The first thing that strikes me is the service dial..

26 July 2019, 07:34 PM	#4
faimag "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: US, SG, DK, GR Watch: Reverso Posts: 3,089	Service dial and the jubilee is probably not original to the watch as the endlinks are something-55 (usually the GMT endlinks end in something-50). But most importantly, is look kinda beat-up, brother.

26 July 2019, 11:13 PM	#5
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,660	Nice crown guards that’s about it

27 July 2019, 03:22 AM	#6
nabiel28 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: UK Watch: 1999 Sub 16610 Posts: 24	Many thanks guys much appreciated !! As ever you are awesome ��

27 July 2019, 04:12 AM	#7
brand_c "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: IL Posts: 188	Thick case, functional luminova dial with printed markers (even a rarer combo in my opinion)...sign me up.... Bracelet has seen better days tho... Curious as to what everyone thinks about service dials that look vintage but have luminova plots on them...I personally love them.

27 July 2019, 04:13 AM	#8
05carbondrz Banned Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,030	That doesn’t look like a 1971 GMT case to me,Those Crown Guards look like 16760 fat lady style.

27 July 2019, 05:37 AM	#9
donq "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dallas tx Watch: 16610,1675,16030 Posts: 1,136	Bezel looks off. Maybe from a Sea Dweller? Springer will come along soon and set us all straight...

27 July 2019, 04:31 PM	#12
nabiel28 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: UK Watch: 1999 Sub 16610 Posts: 24	Thanks folks I take springers point but I don’t have very deep pockets !!! Should I partake at circa 6k usd , always wanted a Pepsi . Your thoughts as ever really appreciated

27 July 2019, 11:11 PM	#13
lhanddds Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Watch: of course Posts: 8,429	Unfortunately, it will be difficult to get in the game at that price. That doesn't mean you should quit looking. Things are pretty crazy now . I keep an eye on things constantly because you never know.

29 July 2019, 01:19 PM	#14
patrolmi "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: USA Posts: 170	Here's a Matte service dial comp sort of . I like this site, prices seem decent and they have a good rep. https://lunaroyster.com/product/1968...-pepsi-insert/

29 July 2019, 01:23 PM	#15
patrolmi "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: USA Posts: 170	That price seems in the ballpark too-- it's possible you could get the case polished out some-- from an operational standpoint- if you have checked it on a timegrapher or know it's running solid- this watch will last forever. From an investment standpoint, it will probably at least hold its own. the examples that you see the big numbers for are usually historically perfect. Was the bracelet correct? If not, that price actually might be a little high for that condition.

30 July 2019, 04:37 AM	#17
patrolmi "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: USA Posts: 170	The "E" date code on the bracelet is 1980. The "555" endlinks aren't "correct", it should be 550 I believe.... so somewhere along the way the bracelet got switched up. the 555 is for the Datejust-- and it fits slightly differently although it still works. .. if your budget is low around $6k, you won't find too many options-- it comes down to a matter of taste with what you give and take. A correct replacement bracelet pushes $1500-2000.... does the bracelet fit? Others here should be able to give more of an opinion on the watch head.

30 July 2019, 04:34 AM	#19
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,060	Case looks straight out of Vietnam.

30 July 2019, 05:45 AM	#22
nabiel28 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: UK Watch: 1999 Sub 16610 Posts: 24	That's what I love about this forum, no nonsense expert advice ! Thanks will stay clear and keep hunting !!Thanks patrolmi for the link and advice etc Much appreciated all !!!

3 August 2019, 08:06 AM	#23
bob78h 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: USA Posts: 325	As others have commented, the shape of the crown guards don't look quite right to me.

3 August 2019, 08:16 AM	#24
Mr.Rolex1 Banned Join Date: Apr 2019 Real Name: Mike Location: San Diego, CA Watch: Submariner Posts: 1,197	I beg to differ and feel the lugs and crown guards are fine for its age. You could replace the bracelet but it wouldn't bother me I think its great if you can get it for a low price I remember these were under $k all day long but with demand at all time highs- doubt we'll ever see prices that low ever again

3 August 2019, 09:16 AM	#26
bazin "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: N/A Posts: 271	***** As an example / information....to compare.....band, clasp and case of a 1675 GMT Master. My 41 year old 1978 GMT as 1st owner, never parts changed (even not plastic glass, inlay, etc.); full set of box / doc, purch. inv. and never polished.....daily worn from 1978-2010....

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