Should a grail watch (Rolex) be obtainable?

[Etschell]

A grail can be defined as "a thing that is being earnestly pursued or sought after (Google)."

Why is it then that some are of the mindset that a grail watch should be unobtainable? To answer such a question one needs to dive into why anyone would dub a watch a grail.

In watch collecting many seek a continuous flow of evolution. It always starts in the same manner with one watch. It rarely ends with that one watch. Like a spark that starts a fire the first watch, no matter what it is, becomes the item that kicks off a collectors run. The run usually consists of buying, selling, desiring and even rebuying time pieces along the way. For some it is buying, buying, buying and never selling. There is no right path but each collector follows a path with no real end in sight. Unless of course that end is a grail watch.

Ask any watch collector about a grail watch and the vast majority will have one. However, a grail can be defined in various ways. For some it is watch that is so unobtainable they will never purchase it for a multitude of reasons. For others it is a watch that is far out of reach but perhaps one day it will be theirs. Yet for some it is a watch that doesn't even exist at the time such as a Platinum Rolex Submariner. There are other ways a collector can dub a watch a grail the aforementioned are just a few examples.

To return the question at hand I believe collectors have a grail watch for one reason. To keep the drive going. To have something to aspire to achieve. If there is no ultimate watch then what is the point after all?

Presume after years of seeking, wanting, lusting one is able to purchase their grail watch. What happens next? Does the passion die? Does the fire burn more? Is one satisfied? Or does a new level grail watch appear? The answer to these questions varies with more width than there are watches in existance. I can only answer it from first hand experience.

I had the benefit of purchasing my grail watch, the Rolex 116618lb, just over half a year ago. A watch I never thought I would own I now do. For me, and now with retrospect of ownership, I know it is still my grail watch. But how do I know it to be true?

First, I wear the watch and use it. It is not tucked away in a safe. It is not babied. I do most anything with it. That said I am cognizant of not being careless while I am wearing it. For some this matters not but for me it matters. My definition of watch ownership is to enjoy by wearing it. In my opinion there is no better compliment for a watch itself. Secondly, my desire for a "better" watch has faded. In my mind I am wearing my grail. I love it. The feel of the watch and more importantly the way it makes me feel when I wear it. I have always been a fan of the submariner. The logical choice for a grail would be a gold one. The smile on my face will not fade. Third, the feeling of 'did I spend to much on this watch?' does not exist. I believe many toss and turn over whether a high priced grail watch is worth it. If it is truly your grail, in untested theory and in retrospect, it is worth it. There was a few minutes after the watch arrived in which I questioned it. What did I do? That feeling faded quite quickly. Lastly, the watch is like an old glove. It just fits perfectly.

There are many more reasons. Too many to memorialize in this post. These are just a few.

In my opinion, which is just my own, a grail watch does not have to be obtainable. However, if one has the opportunity to obtain a grail watch here is my advice - do so. The other side of grail ownership is very rewarding. The passion does not die. The reason to collect does not die either because there are always other watches and new ones are released every year. But this post is not about other watches. It is about those that are grails. As a reader of this who has not yet purchased their grail you may ask the question 'what is it like?.' Being on the other side, at least for now, my answer can be summarized with a single word - fantastic.

[Wimbledon]

I'm caffeinated and ready to rock...hold on...

My grail watch was always the Day Date. I bought one last year, finally.

It was a grail watch for me not because I couldn't afford it...I could certainly afford it...but it was always traditionally a watch that an "older person" wore. I would never have worn a DD in my 20s or 30s without looking like a dork or show-off.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Wimbledon

I'm caffeinated and ready to rock...hold on...

My grail watch was always the Day Date. I bought one last year, finally.

It was a grail watch for me not because I couldn't afford it...I could certainly afford it...but it was always traditionally a watch that an "older person" wore. I would never have worn a DD in my 20s or 30s without looking like a dork or show-off.

How old do you have to be to pull off a DD? I’m 49 (50 in March) and I should have my 40mm YG black dial with baguettes in 30-60 days.

[locutus49]

I guess I no longer have a grail since I either own the watches I want or the next watch I desire keeps changing. The watch I really want is a minute repeater by pretty much any brand. That would be my exit watch.

[vipereaper30]

Originally Posted by locutus49

The watch I really want is a minute repeater by pretty much any brand. That would be my exit watch.

Yes this is the one for me as well. PP at the top of the list but this is going to be at least a 20 year quest so no constraints as of yet.

[2001jesper]

Originally Posted by locutus49

I guess I no longer have a grail since I either own the watches I want or the next watch I desire keeps changing. The watch I really want is a minute repeater by pretty much any brand. That would be my exit watch.

Originally Posted by vipereaper30

Yes this is the one for me as well. PP at the top of the list but this is going to be at least a 20 year quest so no constraints as of yet.

Well, the Invicta Men Minute Repeater Perpetual Calendar Alarm is available for around EUR 300

Dont believe that a grail is a conscious decision - Its subject to circumstances and perceived preferences at a certain point in time. I like that its obtainable and something that one can work towards and ultimately achieve. Will make it so much sweeter and "precious".

My grail is a DD - undecided between a 36 or 40, but guess that I will figure it out along the way

[vipereaper30]

Originally Posted by 2001jesper

Well, the Invicta Men Minute Repeater Perpetual Calendar Alarm is available for around EUR 300

Grail quest complete!

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by locutus49

I guess I no longer have a grail since I either own the watches I want or the next watch I desire keeps changing. The watch I really want is a minute repeater by pretty much any brand. That would be my exit watch.

I tend to agree with this ... except for the part about the minute repeater

[ninjin]

I always found it strange people had a 'grail' watch. I always assumed, grail to mean the watch of your dreams, be it attainable or really a watch to only dream about.

Now a lot on here, post pics of their grail arriving and more often than not it is one of the 'hot' references; Daytona, Hulk, Pepsi, Batman, etc etc

Is it a grail because they found it hard to get or is it really their dream watch...?

For me, I don't have a target 'Grail' watch but when new watches get released every year, if something takes my fancy and I will ask my AD to get it for me. I have no taste for vintage and always buy brand new and never at a premium.

It's nice to get something that is hard to get, say a SS Daytona but if I didn't manage to get it, I wouldn't loose sleep over it.

Ultimately, it's a first world problem.

So for me, there is no such thing as a Grail watch.

[904VT]

Imo a grail is a watch you desired for a long time. You could eventually own it or you may never own it, but affordability isn’t in the equation in my mind.

[Fat_ninja]

Deep bro deep. I don’t have any grails. I feel the the word grail is just a word used to describe the a highly sought after but difficult to get watch... if you can get it...it’s not a grail... just my feel.


I’ve never really believe in grails.

[THC]

I finally achieved my ultimate grail a week ago today. DD40 which I never thought I would be able to acquire. Planets aligned at work, and I did not hesitate.

[Watchflair]

Yes - any goal should have some level of attainability.

There's always another peak to climb - a new grail.

[jimcameron]

Should a "grail" be more than something you simply pay for?

[whited3]

Yes eventually.
I got my Grail watch (an 116718 anniversary) last year too. It's a grail because of course I thought it was fantastical and cool when I first saw it, it's got such a cool history and story in the Rolex line, and I had never imagined I'd own a full $$$ PM piece.

But upon realizing the watch was discontinued, and through some shenanigans, I quite literally surprised myself with my Grail piece. And I have a big fat smile every time I wear it

[AK797]

I call a grail watch one that can be obtained but not easily, and a holy grail would be one that is almost unobtainable, maybe due to an exorbitant price or extreme exclusivity. My aim was to get my grail trio collection, of 1 Rolex, AP and PP.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by AK797

I call a grail watch one that can be obtained but not easily, and a holy grail would be one that is almost unobtainable, maybe due to an exorbitant price or extreme exclusivity. My aim was to get my grail trio collection, of 1 Rolex, AP and PP.

You’ve done well buddy.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by brandrea

You’ve done well buddy.

Cheers, Brian, I remember when I first joined here with just a black sub I spent hours drawing up plans and targets for the years ahead of what I would buy and how I would get the money together and it was so much fun, happiness is in the doing, not the getting they say. And now I am more settled it is satisfying but it isn't half as much fun.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by AK797

Cheers, Brian, I remember when I first joined here with just a black sub I spent hours drawing up plans and targets for the years ahead of what I would buy and how I would get the money together and it was so much fun, happiness is in the doing, not the getting they say. And now I am more settled it is satisfying but it isn't half as much fun.

Thank you for posting this Neil.

A good reminder to all that the journey is at least as much fun as the destination

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[Bozack90]

unobtainable from a cost or an availability standpoint.....

I would say it could be either, but for me personally I have the strike it rich grails which are unobtainable due to my access to funds and then the grails which I hope to attain but put off due to priorities and or the WAF

[Harry-57]

I prefer to set my sites on something which is obtainable, with difficulty, if I can possibly get my hands on it, one day. If I can't ever have it, it's a dream, not my grail.

The Smurf is my grail watch at the moment (since getting my LV) because I cannot justify spending that kind of money on a watch. Any watch. If I work hard, get lucky and sweat for a few more years, maybe, just maybe I might be able to justify buying one. That's what a grail is to me, because the day might come when I can get both hands around it. If I keep working.

It could be this isn't how others define a grail. Each to our own. My objectives, however distant and difficult, must be attainable. Otherwise I'm just setting myself up for failure.

[Mr. Miami]

To me, I think of grail as a mix of affordability and hard to get, but more affordability at the moment for me. I am in my young 20s and have my sights on a new Rolex DD YG 36. Since it’s a PM watch, very expensive. However, I will be able to afford it within the next 18 months. So that is my grail as of now. Maybe after I have that I will want a SS. Hopefully by purchasing a DD at my AD will help get me on a “list”. We will see. Nice post!

[dxbtousa]

Still waiting for the unicorn.

[Brew]

Should a "grail" watch be personal? I always thought a grail was singular, special, and sought be all believers. I think the word is over used.

[Dlong]

Grail, the object of an extended and difficult quest.

[jrs146]

I don’t believe in grail watches. However if I did I think it really needs to stick to what a “grail” should be by definition. (My definition)

A grail should not be easily obtainable. However this doesn’t mean it is rare or hard to find. However there must be some sort of journey involved.

This journey could be a financial one saving up for it. It could also be searching for the perfect vintage watch in just the right condition. Or it could be a modem watch in high demand. But the key here is it must involve time spent.

Second, the watch much change you in some way. Perhaps it doesn’t give you eternal life... but it should be special in some way. Perhaps it’s marking a special achievement. But it should have a significant impact on you.

Lastly, there can only be one grail in a persons lifetime. And after achieving that grail the change described above should also include the extinguishing is the thirst to search for the next grail (because there isn’t one). That doesn’t mean one couldn’t still acquire new watches. But they’d always be second to the true grail.

Now I could never ever do this.... but maybe some out there can!

[skyseadweller]

is your grail watch also your exit watch , i think i might push the pause button after a mad year of collecting and actually enjoy a attained "grail" watch

[Busyboy]

Think I'd put my tools down and walk for a 5740...
Annnnnnnnd a 15202or.
Annnnnnnnd a platona

The grail set

Attainable?
I hope so.... But I doubt it

[DHISTORY]

I don’t think we’ll ever obtain our “grail” as we will always have a new target in mind, especially if we continue to read this forum.
From my humble Swiss Army Diver (the beginning of the bug), I slowly moved through the watch ranks of Tissot, Oris, Tag Heuer, Omega, Tudor, Breitling, and finally Rolex. After acquiring my first “grail” which was a 16610, my radar turned to a new “grail,” a 116710LN. It turned into my current 116613LB and now my “grail” is a 116618LN.
Slight issue...do I go “grail” or parlay... I’ve always fancied a 116713 so big question is to have one 116618 or two (116613 and 116713).

Obtaining your “grail” is like achieving a milestone then working towards a new one.

Shout out to our fellow forum enablers. Lol.

[Gerry62]

I have had several graal,
but obtained one then came another
5513 mf
116518
Blancpain fifty fath.
16518 (Zenith)
116613LB
Deepsea D blue

a only single grail ? is a blessing