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JParm · 5 March 2020, 10:56 PM

Mixed feelings about this...on the one hand, I love the look of these models, as I'm obviously biased (that's my SBGW 253 in the 2nd pic).

On the other hand, it seems that they keep going back to this model. First it was 2011 (in the smaller case), then they did it back in 2017 as an LE, and now it's back in 2020, but as normal production run.

It just sings of the Panerai / Omega model to me (flooding the market with what people want); I for one like watches that aren't as easy to find sitting at the AD, and if you make an LE, it should be just that. I know these are different materials / dial colors, but it's nearly identical to the 2017 models.

My watch:

GB-man · 6 March 2020, 12:02 AM

This is why they should just stop making limited editions all together. Keep them in production so that people who buy in know what they are getting.

_speedmaster_ · 6 March 2020, 12:11 AM

Limited editions are a sure fire way to upset people.

The people who don't get one are upset. The people who do get one are upset when something else is released that closely mirrors what they thought would be limited.

Seibei · 6 March 2020, 12:26 AM

I am kind of scratching my head as to anyone would like or dislike a watch based on how hard or easy it is to find... That does not really enter into the equation for me. Well, if it is hard to find it can be annoying should I wish to buy it, but otherwise no.

I am sure you understand there are risks involved If you are buying some limited edition as an investment

What watches do I think watch manufacturers should be making? The watches people want of course.

JParm · 6 March 2020, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Seibei

I am kind of scratching my head as to anyone would like or dislike a watch based on how hard or easy it is to find... That does not really enter into the equation for me. Well, if it is hard to find it can be annoying should I wish to buy it, but otherwise no.

I am sure you understand there are risks involved If you are buying some limited edition as an investment

What watches do I think watch manufacturers should be making? The watches people want of course.

I understand your point of view. My point of view is that I like things that are not so readily available. It's just the way it goes...

I did not buy this watch as an investment piece; all of my watches are purchased to hand down to my two kiddos. I bought this pre-owned at a great price, but to be able to pass this along to my kids and say hey, this was a limited run, this is why it's special (to me), etc. etc. is something that I value.

What I am saying is that it's annoying to see manufacturers consistently due this; for all the flack that Rolex gets in today's market, I do believe that they do things right (no LE's, not catering to what the world wants, keeping true to their business model).

Rado63 · 24 February 2021, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jpeezy14@hotmail.com

I understand your point of view. My point of view is that I like things that are not so readily available. It's just the way it goes...

I did not buy this watch as an investment piece; all of my watches are purchased to hand down to my two kiddos. I bought this pre-owned at a great price, but to be able to pass this along to my kids and say hey, this was a limited run, this is why it's special (to me), etc. etc. is something that I value.

What I am saying is that it's annoying to see manufacturers consistently due this; for all the flack that Rolex gets in today's market, I do believe that they do things right (no LE's, not catering to what the world wants, keeping true to their business model).

I tend to agree with you that it is special to own a watch that is truly limited. But every brand seems to make something limited whether in annual total production or small total number made, but then they always make something similar to the limited edition or that low number reference. But I still believe any watch with a total of just 50 or fewer made is unique, under 100 is pretty special, under 500 is still quite rare even if they make something similar.

mgsooner · 6 March 2020, 12:54 AM

What's the specs on these? Doing a quick browse of the usual suspects on IG and I'm not seeing anything about these models.

JParm · 6 March 2020, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mgsooner

What's the specs on these? Doing a quick browse of the usual suspects on IG and I'm not seeing anything about these models.

Hot off the press.

https://monochrome-watches.com/grand...sbgw259-price/

mgsooner · 6 March 2020, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeezy14@hotmail.com

Hot off the press.

https://monochrome-watches.com/grand...sbgw259-price/

Interesting, thanks. I suppose at least none of them are SS so they're not directly cannibalizing the 253. Selfishly I wish the 253 would've been a regular production model because I absolutely love it but it is impossible to find, and EXPENSIVE when you do.

I have to say I'm a bit confused by the 259...is a titanium dress watch really necessary?

JParm · 6 March 2020, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mgsooner

Interesting, thanks. I suppose at least none of them are SS so they're not directly cannibalizing the 253. Selfishly I wish the 253 would've been a regular production model because I absolutely love it but it is impossible to find, and EXPENSIVE when you do.

I have to say I'm a bit confused by the 259...is a titanium dress watch really necessary?

I'm interested to see that one too...

JParm · 6 March 2020, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

This is why they should just stop making limited editions all together. Keep them in production so that people who buy in know what they are getting.

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Originally Posted by _speedmaster_

Limited editions are a sure fire way to upset people.

The people who don't get one are upset. The people who do get one are upset when something else is released that closely mirrors what they thought would be limited.

Good thing is that the one that most closely resembles mine is made in platinum and is priced...accordingly. The only "accessible" one is the blue dial, which is still priced at over 9k, and is different enough (I guess) from mine.

Pongster · 6 March 2020, 01:22 AM

They did the same with the divers.

JParm · 6 March 2020, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pongster

They did the same with the divers.

Haven't seen those, but I'm honestly not a fan of their strategy right now (as a lowly WIS).

Part of the GS charm was how undercover they were, and how valuable they could be at a certain price point.

Now, it's the full on marketing blast with a shift to higher prices.

Maybe it's good for their bottom line, but at some point, you start to alienate your most loyal customer base (e.g. the way Panerai went).

thegrandseikoguy · 6 March 2020, 01:26 AM

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Mixed feelings about this...on the one hand, I love the look of these models, as I'm obviously biased (that's my SBGW 253 in the 2nd pic).

On the other hand, it seems that they keep going back to this model. First it was 2011 (in the smaller case), then they did it back in 2017 as an LE, and now it's back in 2020, but as normal production run...

Actually you missed one out. The first reissue was in 2001 with the SBGW004 (18K gold limited edition of 300 pieces to celebrate the 120nd anniversary of the founding of Seiko).

Kind regards,

Gerald.

JParm · 6 March 2020, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by thegrandseikoguy

Actually you missed one out. The first reissue was in 2001 with the SBGW004 (18K gold limited edition of 300 pieces to celebrate the 120nd anniversary of the founding of Seiko).

Kind regards,

Gerald.

Good point!

GB-man · 6 March 2020, 01:30 AM

They are insane if they think I’m entertaining an 11k diver the size of a Big Mac.

Why can’t they make something in the diver line a reasonable size. Does the JDM market buy these? Seems they would dwarf the average Japanese wrist. I hope that is not offensive it’s not meant to be.

JParm · 6 March 2020, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

They are insane if they think I’m entertaining an 11k diver the size of a Big Mac.

Why can’t they make something in the diver line a reasonable size. Does the JDM market buy these? Seems they would dwarf the average Japanese wrist. I hope that is not offensive it’s not meant to be.

I'm Filipino and I'm offended! Just kidding, of course.

I agree, I think they wouldn't necessarily work in the Japanese market.

pickettt · 6 March 2020, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

They are insane if they think I’m entertaining an 11k diver the size of a Big Mac.

Why can’t they make something in the diver line a reasonable size. Does the JDM market buy these? Seems they would dwarf the average Japanese wrist. I hope that is not offensive it’s not meant to be.

Just an observation; Asian men seem to be growing bigger and taller nowadays. They still don’t need a 47mm watch though (nor do most of us non-Asian)

joli160 · 6 March 2020, 03:37 AM

The blue one is nice

Cru Jones · 6 March 2020, 02:15 AM

For what it’s worth, yours with the blue hand is the nicest of the bunch.

Personally, I don’t mind LEs. Keeps me coming back to check out the latest iterations, and I tend to like a watch for the sake of the watch, not whether it’s easy or hard to get.

gnuyork · 6 March 2020, 04:10 AM

I'm glad they are not limited editions, this is my absolute favorite Grand Seiko and now I might have the possibility of getting one.

Edit: Ugh. never mind... Thought one of those was going to be Stainless.

I'd like a stainless with silver dial and silver hands (no blue second hand). If that existed, I'd probably buy it right now.

JParm · 6 March 2020, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gnuyork

I'm glad they are not limited editions, this is my absolute favorite Grand Seiko and now I might have the possibility of getting one.

Edit: Ugh. never mind... Thought one of those was going to be Stainless.

I'd like a stainless with silver dial and silver hands (no blue second hand). If that existed, I'd probably buy it right now.

The blue hand is the best part!

gnuyork · 6 March 2020, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeezy14@hotmail.com

The blue hand is the best part!

In your opinion

JParm · 6 March 2020, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gnuyork

In your opinion

Of course!

gnuyork · 6 March 2020, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeezy14@hotmail.com

Of course!

I should also clarify, I'd take yours in a heartbeat, blue seconds or not... I just prefer the most boring conservative dials usually... my tastes are changing, must be getting old, lol.

thegrandseikoguy · 7 March 2020, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by gnuyork

I'm glad they are not limited editions, this is my absolute favorite Grand Seiko and now I might have the possibility of getting one.

Edit: Ugh. never mind... Thought one of those was going to be Stainless.

I'd like a stainless with silver dial and silver hands (no blue second hand). If that existed, I'd probably buy it right now.

Well there's always this.

Sadly not legitimate though :(

Japanese "frankensteined" vintage GS First. More details here.

Kind regards,

Gerald.

superstarmar · 6 March 2020, 04:43 AM

I generally am not a huge fan of Seiko but I love
these simple elegant designs . I wouldn’t mind getting
one of these . They’re gorgeous !!!

mongrelnomoad · 6 March 2020, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeezy14@hotmail.com

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I absolutely adore your watch, and am really pissed off I didn't manage to source one when they were released.

JParm · 6 March 2020, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mongrelnomoad

I absolutely adore your watch, and am really pissed off I didn't manage to source one when they were released.

Thank you! I bought pre-owned / complete set from a forum member at a good price; they can be found!!

This is such a great watch, and I don't anticipate ever letting it go...that good

Locust · 6 March 2020, 07:23 AM

I’d be happy with your 253. Different enough that yours is still special. And a titanium dress watch is just weird....

5 March 2020, 10:56 PM	#1
JParm "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NorCal Watch: Yes! Posts: 6,571	Love / hate with new Grand Seiko anniversary release Mixed feelings about this...on the one hand, I love the look of these models, as I'm obviously biased (that's my SBGW 253 in the 2nd pic). On the other hand, it seems that they keep going back to this model. First it was 2011 (in the smaller case), then they did it back in 2017 as an LE, and now it's back in 2020, but as normal production run. It just sings of the Panerai / Omega model to me (flooding the market with what people want); I for one like watches that aren't as easy to find sitting at the AD, and if you make an LE, it should be just that. I know these are different materials / dial colors, but it's nearly identical to the 2017 models. My watch: __________________

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GB-man 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,621	They are insane if they think I’m entertaining an 11k diver the size of a Big Mac. Why can’t they make something in the diver line a reasonable size. Does the JDM market buy these? Seems they would dwarf the average Japanese wrist. I hope that is not offensive it’s not meant to be. __________________

6 March 2020, 12:26 AM	#4
Seibei Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New Zealand Watch: 114060 Posts: 2,630	I am kind of scratching my head as to anyone would like or dislike a watch based on how hard or easy it is to find... That does not really enter into the equation for me. Well, if it is hard to find it can be annoying should I wish to buy it, but otherwise no. I am sure you understand there are risks involved If you are buying some limited edition as an investment What watches do I think watch manufacturers should be making? The watches people want of course.

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Pongster "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Marikina Posts: 2,561	They did the same with the divers.

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Cru Jones 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: CET Posts: 35,593	For what it’s worth, yours with the blue hand is the nicest of the bunch. Personally, I don’t mind LEs. Keeps me coming back to check out the latest iterations, and I tend to like a watch for the sake of the watch, not whether it’s easy or hard to get.

6 March 2020, 04:10 AM	#21
gnuyork "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 3,353	I'm glad they are not limited editions, this is my absolute favorite Grand Seiko and now I might have the possibility of getting one. Edit: Ugh. never mind... Thought one of those was going to be Stainless. I'd like a stainless with silver dial and silver hands (no blue second hand). If that existed, I'd probably buy it right now.

6 March 2020, 04:43 AM	#27
superstarmar Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: In Motion Watch: my wrist presence Posts: 7,436	I generally am not a huge fan of Seiko but I love these simple elegant designs . I wouldn’t mind getting one of these . They’re gorgeous !!!

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Locust "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: Usa Watch: All Posts: 1,422	I’d be happy with your 253. Different enough that yours is still special. And a titanium dress watch is just weird....

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