President Bracelet Legit Check Please Help!

[jayrawk]

Hello TRF, looking to purchase the president bracelet below for an 1803, it comes with 53 end links and the president bracelet/clasp. I had a couple questions as well:

They told me older versions of this bracelet does not have 8385 markings on it is this true?

It is 5 7/8" is that too short once it is attached to the watch? I need it to fit a 7" wrist.

Thanks and any feedback is appreciated.

[PRSWILL]

That's a legit band. not sure about fit.

[77T]

It should fit a 7” wrist but you’ll be at the edge of comfort perhaps. You’ll need an extra link if your wrist size expands at some times of the year.


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[freefly]

Missing reference number + missing hallmarks + shallow/incomplete "Rolex S.A" stamping + questionable clasp welds = hard pass for me. YMMV...

[Bigblu10]

No hallmarks for an 18K bracelet? Red Flag! I call non-genuine.

[jayrawk]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

No hallmarks for an 18K bracelet? Red Flag! I call non-genuine.

Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback. Another TRF member, said that the bracelet is "from the era of missing hallmarks" and I need to take pictures of the screw and links to verify.

Its a small local jeweler that is selling it, claims older president bracelets don't have markings on it. I probably won't be able to take photos of the screws and links unless I ask but not sure if they are willing to do it. Thanks again!

[freefly]

Originally Posted by jayrawk

Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback. Another TRF member, said that the bracelet is "from the era of missing hallmarks" and I need to take pictures of the screw and links to verify.

That is probably a good idea. If that member was David (CrownCollection), I'd listen to him regarding all things Day-Date. You might want to get pics of the end-pieces as well to see if the numbers are engraved or cast in.

I know there were bracelets with missing hallmarks, but just wasn't aware of them with missing reference numbers as well. The ones with missing hallmarks I've seen had the flat-bottom clasp coronet. The other thing that I am not too keen on is the quality of the clasp welds. That said, it could be OK but it would just be a pass for me. I would personally want one with all of the proper markings intact, and for an 1803, I would probably seek out one with the older style clasp coronet.
I suppose the price could sway me, if aggressive enough (and everything else checked out). YMMV...

[jayrawk]

Originally Posted by freefly

That is probably a good idea. If that member was David (CrownCollection), I'd listen to him regarding all things Day-Date. You might want to get pics of the end-pieces as well to see if the numbers are engraved or cast in.

I know there were bracelets with missing hallmarks, but just wasn't aware of them with missing reference numbers as well. The ones with missing hallmarks I've seen had the flat-bottom clasp coronet. The other thing that I am not too keen on is the quality of the clasp welds. That said, it could be OK but it would just be a pass for me. I would personally want one with all of the proper markings intact, and for an 1803, I would probably seek out one with the older style clasp coronet.
I suppose the price could sway me, if aggressive enough (and everything else checked out). YMMV...

I requested pics and they told me the band doesn't have screws in the links and none of the correct 1803 bands have sleeves in the links... Not sure if this is true or not, but seem like after asking for photos of the screw, he withdrew from the sale because it may have exposed the truth of the authenticity. Anyways, appreciate all the help!

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by jayrawk

Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback. Another TRF member, said that the bracelet is "from the era of missing hallmarks" and I need to take pictures of the screw and links to verify.

Its a small local jeweler that is selling it, claims older president bracelets don't have markings on it. I probably won't be able to take photos of the screws and links unless I ask but not sure if they are willing to do it. Thanks again!

As been previously said member "crowncollection" David is the expert here. Reach out to him, unless you already have.

[Pandacat]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

As been previously said member "crowncollection" David is the expert here. Reach out to him, unless you already have.

Wow I’m surprised you didn’t mention Larry. Shocking.

[offrdmania]

Hmmmm, there should be screws with a hidden clasp. Some very early president bracelets had pins instead of screws but those had full clasps.

That thing looks brand new and 53 end links are for the 1803 which ended production in the 70s. It looks way too good.

Sleeves didnt come around until the later solid link bracelets so the seller is correct there.

How much was the seller asking? Should have been well over $5 grand in that condition.

[jayrawk]

Originally Posted by offrdmania

Hmmmm, there should be screws with a hidden clasp. Some very early president bracelets had pins instead of screws but those had full clasps.

That thing looks brand new and 53 end links are for the 1803 which ended production in the 70s. It looks way too good.

Sleeves didnt come around until the later solid link bracelets so the seller is correct there.

How much was the seller asking? Should have been well over $5 grand in that condition.

He was asking $4500, still on a mission looking for another now that there are a bunch of red flags on this one

[tigey]

welds look sloppy