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leelian2022 · 6 July 2020, 10:45 PM

Hi everyone,

My parents just bought a new lady datejust 28mm from an authorized dealer.

But today I saw the watch, I realized that the watch a little bit "weird".

1) The watch has 2 small rolex logo beside the "swiss made" words, but I checked rolex website and google, I've never seen any datejust watch has 2 crowns.

2) The 9 o'clock word 'IX' diamond also slightly different if compare with the Rolex offcial website.

https://www.rolex.com/watches/lady-d...9174-0021.html

Does anybody knows maybe due to the watch has different version or my parent just bought a fake/replica watch from AD?

If so, how do I check, contact or feedback to Rolex company?

jltait · 6 July 2020, 10:49 PM

It’s definitely real if it was purchased new from an AD. The renders on site may differ slightly from the production model.

leelian2022 · 6 July 2020, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jltait

It’s definitely real if it was purchased new from an AD. The renders on site may differ slightly from the production model.

May I know which other models have 2 crowns beside the words ‘swiss made’?

Lemonvr6 · 6 July 2020, 10:55 PM

The two crowns are odd

japenney · 7 July 2020, 01:02 AM

Rolex makes dial changes without notifying anyone regularly. Many dial variations exist. If you bought it new at an AD it is real. It is really really silly to think otherwise.

JParm · 7 July 2020, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by japenney

Rolex makes dial changes without notifying anyone regularly. Many dial variations exist. If you bought it new at an AD it is real. It is really really silly to think otherwise.

This.

Jakey · 8 July 2020, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jpeezy14@hotmail.com

This.

Not true.........A UK footballer purchased a fake from an AD in Dubai. It was a Gold Rolex. Everything was original except the movement. A true story and not based on hearsay

HogwldFLTR · 8 July 2020, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakey

Not true.........A UK footballer purchased a fake from an AD in Dubai. It was a Gold Rolex. Everything was original except the movement. A true story and not based on hearsay

One thing to say and another to document; how about a pointer to the "fact."

padi56 · 8 July 2020, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

One thing to say and another to document; how about a pointer to the "fact."

Have to agree and just cannot see the point of a genuine gold case with a non genuine movement inside.

Jakey · 9 July 2020, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

One thing to say and another to document; how about a pointer to the "fact."

Pointer to the fact is that I work with the Football team closely. You don't think said player would be running off to the newspaper to say he was duped

It is what it is......So just because its an AD, doesn't mean you cant be screwed over. The ADs are run by humans, it's not an automated human free process hence 'RISK' is introduced. On this known occasion a Gold 'FakeOriginal' (New word) made its way onto someones wrist.

SN13 · 7 July 2020, 01:08 AM

Here's an image from a similar watch. Diamond installation seems to match.

I actually found the "FAKE" version of this watch... the biggest difference is that the Star Settings on the REAL one almost look like spikes off the diamond. The star settings on the FAKE have a large border around the "Diamond" that looks like a rhinestone set on a steel star...

Your mother's has the spike, borderless diamonds.

APPRF · 7 July 2020, 01:16 AM

Some countries I would be doubtful even if I bought from an AD, but Singapore isn’t one of them. I don’t think you should be worried.

m j b · 7 July 2020, 01:24 AM

It's also possible that the AD put on an aftermarket dial...

Loevhagen · 7 July 2020, 01:25 AM

Check this: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=716674

ROLEXster · 7 July 2020, 01:36 AM

My wife & niece loves this watch.
Wish Rolex made these in bigger sizes.

iTreelex · 7 July 2020, 01:51 AM

If it was an AD then it's real

MikeyV · 7 July 2020, 01:55 AM

One thing that Rolex does bugger with all the time is that wording arrangement there on the dial. It looks legit. Especially if you got it new from a dealer.

Dhiren · 7 July 2020, 01:59 AM

On the Rolex guarantee card check for these 2 things
1 on the front of card where the model numbers and serial number is written there are 3 lines these are not lines these are Rolex International Guarantee written in different languages

Next to this on top left green stripe shine a UV light this hologram will pop up

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brucethemanlee · 7 July 2020, 04:00 AM

two crowns by swiss made = fake???

Yzord · 7 July 2020, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by brucethemanlee

two crowns by swiss made = fake???

I also have never seen that before. And personally i dont think Rolex would do it.

singe89 · 7 July 2020, 04:13 AM

Maybe the two crowns signifies the new 3235 movement and they couldn't put the crown between "Swiss Made" because of the diamond marker.

Polarexplorerii · 7 July 2020, 05:27 AM

wow that is strange

Robf52 · 7 July 2020, 06:47 AM

Looks fake to me.

LyingFlat · 7 July 2020, 07:20 AM

I've never seen the crowns myself. I would take it to another AD and get them to check. They may even have a watchmaker onsite who can open it up.

Number3 · 7 July 2020, 07:28 AM

It would be a pretty poor copy if it is fake!

georgekart · 7 July 2020, 10:53 AM

OK, I did a bit of snooping and here's what I found. I decided to search for some other watches with Swiss made surrounded by crowns on both sides. I was able to find one other watch in Japan with same reference, 279174. I don't want to share links as it might be against the rules (I always forget whether it is so I'll air on side of safety) but go onto C24 and search for that reference and sort by new. Most recent salmon dial one. Additionally I was able to find it on 2 watches with RG TT, 279171. Also sort by new, purple dial in NL and Sundust dial with the same star diamonds as OPs watch just in TT version in HK. So the crowns around Swiss made aren't all that strange. I bet Rolex would show it off this Baselworld along with some new dial option and perhaps change the rendering on the website, but it didn't happen so those watches that made their way to ADs already started selling and now we see them out there in real world.

I also did a bit of snooping and arrived at same conclusion as SN13 regarding diamond star. On fake, it seems like the star around the diamond is just a pentagon with a raised dot at each edge, whereas OPs along with the picture SN13 provided and the TT watch in HK all have a sort of spike shooting off out of diamond.

So based on this I have no issues with the watch. Also since it came from an AD I wouldn't be worried. But here's where things go wrong for me. The font on the warranty card where it states the model is too thick as well as where it states dd-mm-yyyy. Also all the cards I have seen show dd/mm/yyyy or dd.mm.yyyy and where it states name of an AD, they show country code first and then the name of an AD. Perhaps I'm wrong in this case. Perhaps there is a country by country variation and SG warranty cards have a thick font and state dd-mm-yyyy and don't list a country code before the name of an AD. But that is the only thing that is making me question it now. If someone can confirm that the font and writing on the card is correct, I'd have no issues trusting that watch is definitely real. Otherwise, I am slightly suspicious, but not significantly so if the watch was bought straight from an AD. More curious even than suspicious.

japenney · 7 July 2020, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by georgekart

OK, I did a bit of snooping and here's what I found. I decided to search for some other watches with Swiss made surrounded by crowns on both sides. I was able to find one other watch in Japan with same reference, 279174. I don't want to share links as it might be against the rules (I always forget whether it is so I'll air on side of safety) but go onto C24 and search for that reference and sort by new. Most recent salmon dial one. Additionally I was able to find it on 2 watches with RG TT, 279171. Also sort by new, purple dial in NL and Sundust dial with the same star diamonds as OPs watch just in TT version in HK. So the crowns around Swiss made aren't all that strange. I bet Rolex would show it off this Baselworld along with some new dial option and perhaps change the rendering on the website, but it didn't happen so those watches that made their way to ADs already started selling and now we see them out there in real world.

I also did a bit of snooping and arrived at same conclusion as SN13 regarding diamond star. On fake, it seems like the star around the diamond is just a pentagon with a raised dot at each edge, whereas OPs along with the picture SN13 provided and the TT watch in HK all have a sort of spike shooting off out of diamond.

So based on this I have no issues with the watch. Also since it came from an AD I wouldn't be worried. But here's where things go wrong for me. The font on the warranty card where it states the model is too thick as well as where it states dd-mm-yyyy. Also all the cards I have seen show dd/mm/yyyy or dd.mm.yyyy and where it states name of an AD, they show country code first and then the name of an AD. Perhaps I'm wrong in this case. Perhaps there is a country by country variation and SG warranty cards have a thick font and state dd-mm-yyyy and don't list a country code before the name of an AD. But that is the only thing that is making me question it now. If someone can confirm that the font and writing on the card is correct, I'd have no issues trusting that watch is definitely real. Otherwise, I am slightly suspicious, but not significantly so if the watch was bought straight from an AD. More curious even than suspicious.

If your parents bought you a watch new from an actual AD that is listed on the Rolex website you can chill and just enjoy it.

https://www.rolex.com/rolex-dealers....lex%20%2Bstore

bathducks123 · 8 July 2020, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by georgekart

But here's where things go wrong for me. The font on the warranty card where it states the model is too thick as well as where it states dd-mm-yyyy. Also all the cards I have seen show dd/mm/yyyy or dd.mm.yyyy and where it states name of an AD, they show country code first and then the name of an AD. Perhaps I'm wrong in this case. Perhaps there is a country by country variation and SG warranty cards have a thick font and state dd-mm-yyyy and don't list a country code before the name of an AD. But that is the only thing that is making me question it now. If someone can confirm that the font and writing on the card is correct, I'd have no issues trusting that watch is definitely real. Otherwise, I am slightly suspicious, but not significantly so if the watch was bought straight from an AD. More curious even than suspicious.

I can confirm that the papers are real. I had a expII polar w SWG back in 2015 and the paper's font matches. The country code was also moved to the back after the AD name which matches OP's papers.

offrdmania · 7 July 2020, 11:55 AM

Maybe it was produced in 2020 and its one of the first to be seen with the double crown indicating a new movement.

Keepchasing · 7 July 2020, 12:48 PM

I'm guessing new movement, but single crown wouldn't fit because of the 5 sided star being upside down.

Two crowns makes it symmetrical.

As others have said, if you got it from an AD, should be end of story.

6 July 2020, 10:55 PM	#4
Lemonvr6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 463	The two crowns are odd __________________ 116710BLNR, 116610LV, 114060, 116710LN

7 July 2020, 01:02 AM	#5
japenney "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Real Name: Josh Location: Canada Watch: undecided Posts: 4,777	Rolex makes dial changes without notifying anyone regularly. Many dial variations exist. If you bought it new at an AD it is real. It is really really silly to think otherwise. __________________ Follow me on Instagram to see my watch journey @Japenney

7 July 2020, 01:08 AM	#11
SN13 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Florida Posts: 1,124	Here's an image from a similar watch. Diamond installation seems to match. I actually found the "FAKE" version of this watch... the biggest difference is that the Star Settings on the REAL one almost look like spikes off the diamond. The star settings on the FAKE have a large border around the "Diamond" that looks like a rhinestone set on a steel star... Your mother's has the spike, borderless diamonds. __________________ IG@Construction_Time --- 1986 DD 18038 --- 1992 YM 16628 --- 2015 116600 SD4K --- SBDX001 MM300 --- 2009 Omega Ploprof White --- 2010 Omega LE LMPO

7 July 2020, 01:24 AM	#13
m j b "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Michael Location: RTP, NC, USA Watch: ♕& Ω Posts: 5,208	It's also possible that the AD put on an aftermarket dial... __________________ Enjoy life - it has an expiration date. Disclaimer: Please note that the avatar is not an accurate representation of how I look. The camera adds 10 pounds...

7 July 2020, 06:47 AM	#23
Robf52 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Sunshine State Watch: lots of Rolex Posts: 5,041	Looks fake to me. __________________ 126610LV//116508 Daytona YG Black/Champagne 116655 YM40 Everose Oysterflex//126622 YM40 Blue//126600 SD43 126710BLNR//126711CHNR 126334 DJ41 Rhodium/Diamonds//126331 DJ41 TT Wimbledon 124300 OP41 Green//126334 DJ41Mint Green

6 July 2020, 10:49 PM	#2
jltait "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Real Name: Jared Location: Westchestah Watch: 116200 Posts: 814	It’s definitely real if it was purchased new from an AD. The renders on site may differ slightly from the production model.

7 July 2020, 01:16 AM	#12
APPRF "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: Here Posts: 1,480	Some countries I would be doubtful even if I bought from an AD, but Singapore isn’t one of them. I don’t think you should be worried.

7 July 2020, 01:25 AM	#14
Loevhagen "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: The aperture Posts: 4,941	Check this: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=716674

7 July 2020, 01:36 AM	#15
ROLEXster "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Vancouver, BC Watch: is on BS wait list Posts: 990	My wife & niece loves this watch. Wish Rolex made these in bigger sizes.

7 July 2020, 01:51 AM	#16
iTreelex "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Watchrecon Posts: 1,352	If it was an AD then it's real

7 July 2020, 01:55 AM	#17
MikeyV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Real Name: Mike Location: N. California Watch: DateJust 41 TT Posts: 549	One thing that Rolex does bugger with all the time is that wording arrangement there on the dial. It looks legit. Especially if you got it new from a dealer.

7 July 2020, 01:59 AM	#18
Dhiren "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: India Posts: 518	On the Rolex guarantee card check for these 2 things 1 on the front of card where the model numbers and serial number is written there are 3 lines these are not lines these are Rolex International Guarantee written in different languages Next to this on top left green stripe shine a UV light this hologram will pop up Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

7 July 2020, 04:00 AM	#19
brucethemanlee "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: 1 of 13 Colonies Posts: 8,568	two crowns by swiss made = fake???

7 July 2020, 04:13 AM	#21
singe89 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Jim Location: Orange County, CA Watch: Rolex, AP & Patek Posts: 3,745	Maybe the two crowns signifies the new 3235 movement and they couldn't put the crown between "Swiss Made" because of the diamond marker.

7 July 2020, 05:27 AM	#22
Polarexplorerii "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: SA,TX Watch: 16570,BLNR,116610 Posts: 2,240	wow that is strange

7 July 2020, 07:20 AM	#24
LyingFlat "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: AKL, New Zealand Watch: TT DJ41 Posts: 131	I've never seen the crowns myself. I would take it to another AD and get them to check. They may even have a watchmaker onsite who can open it up.

7 July 2020, 07:28 AM	#25
Number3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: London Watch: 114060LB Posts: 3,973	It would be a pretty poor copy if it is fake!

7 July 2020, 10:53 AM	#26
georgekart "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,540	OK, I did a bit of snooping and here's what I found. I decided to search for some other watches with Swiss made surrounded by crowns on both sides. I was able to find one other watch in Japan with same reference, 279174. I don't want to share links as it might be against the rules (I always forget whether it is so I'll air on side of safety) but go onto C24 and search for that reference and sort by new. Most recent salmon dial one. Additionally I was able to find it on 2 watches with RG TT, 279171. Also sort by new, purple dial in NL and Sundust dial with the same star diamonds as OPs watch just in TT version in HK. So the crowns around Swiss made aren't all that strange. I bet Rolex would show it off this Baselworld along with some new dial option and perhaps change the rendering on the website, but it didn't happen so those watches that made their way to ADs already started selling and now we see them out there in real world. I also did a bit of snooping and arrived at same conclusion as SN13 regarding diamond star. On fake, it seems like the star around the diamond is just a pentagon with a raised dot at each edge, whereas OPs along with the picture SN13 provided and the TT watch in HK all have a sort of spike shooting off out of diamond. So based on this I have no issues with the watch. Also since it came from an AD I wouldn't be worried. But here's where things go wrong for me. The font on the warranty card where it states the model is too thick as well as where it states dd-mm-yyyy. Also all the cards I have seen show dd/mm/yyyy or dd.mm.yyyy and where it states name of an AD, they show country code first and then the name of an AD. Perhaps I'm wrong in this case. Perhaps there is a country by country variation and SG warranty cards have a thick font and state dd-mm-yyyy and don't list a country code before the name of an AD. But that is the only thing that is making me question it now. If someone can confirm that the font and writing on the card is correct, I'd have no issues trusting that watch is definitely real. Otherwise, I am slightly suspicious, but not significantly so if the watch was bought straight from an AD. More curious even than suspicious.

7 July 2020, 11:55 AM	#29
offrdmania 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,989	Maybe it was produced in 2020 and its one of the first to be seen with the double crown indicating a new movement. __________________ TRF Member 11738

7 July 2020, 12:48 PM	#30
Keepchasing "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: USA Watch: A few Posts: 645	I'm guessing new movement, but single crown wouldn't fit because of the 5 sided star being upside down. Two crowns makes it symmetrical. As others have said, if you got it from an AD, should be end of story.

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