Sub 114060 Vs 124060 Sizing

[WatchNutcase]

So, which one is now the smaller Sub?

The 124060 now has a larger 41mm case, larger lug to lug width, wider bracelet, wider ceramic bezel, and apparently a "roomier" feeling dial. Same case thickness.

The only thing pointing to a more compact 124060 are the slimmed lugs.

Does anyone know the lug to lug distance on the 124060, longer than 114060?

Seems to me that the 114060 is now the smaller Sub.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by watchnutcase

seems to me that the 114060 is now the smaller sub.

+1

[JRell]

Here is the thing. I have the 114060. I would be lying to say I would pick mine over the new one, if for not anything else it is the latest and greatest. If I have to be picky, the dial increase is great for the date, but I think leaves the no date look even more bare. But that is being picky. It is not enough of a change for me to trade-in directly, at least now. Will continue to enjoy and see if I change my mind in the future. The good thing is they look pretty similar to the untrained eye, so I can get some sleep now lol.

[WatchNutcase]

Originally Posted by JRell

Here is the thing. I have the 114060. I would be lying to say I would pick mine over the new one, if for not anything else it is the latest and greatest. If I have to be picky, the dial increase is great for the date, but I think leaves the no date look even more bare. But that is being picky. It is not enough of a change for me to trade-in directly, at least now. Will continue to enjoy and see if I change my mind in the future. The good thing is they look pretty similar to the untrained eye, so I can get some sleep now lol.

I also have the 114060 and really like it, I certainly wouldn't trade it in because I've bonded with the watch now. While the slim lugs are attractive I have a feeling the 124060 is going to wear larger, especially on small wrists like mine.

[JasChCh]

Originally Posted by WatchNutcase

I also have the 114060 and really like it, I certainly wouldn't trade it in because I've bonded with the watch now. While the slim lugs are attractive I have a feeling the 124060 is going to wear larger, especially on small wrists like mine.

Same here. I have a 114060, and have really grown to love it. For me, it's perfectly sized and if anything I find the thicker lugs give the watch a tougher, more tool-esque look, which I find appealing in a sports watch. I would pick the 124060 only because it's the latest-and-greatest and I am frustratingly vulnerable to wanting that.

Not to mention that the 'old' 3130 movement has been superior in time keeping to any other watch I own or have ever owned (including the 3235 movement in my DSSD). Currently it's 10 seconds fast.....since the end of June!!!!!

[Rolexfanmiami]

Originally Posted by JasChCh

Same here. I have a 114060, and have really grown to love it. For me, it's perfectly sized and if anything I find the thicker lugs give the watch a tougher, more tool-esque look, which I find appealing in a sports watch. I would pick the 124060 only because it's the latest-and-greatest and I am frustratingly vulnerable to wanting that.

Not to mention that the 'old' 3130 movement has been superior in time keeping to any other watch I own or have ever owned (including the 3235 movement in my DSSD). Currently it's 10 seconds fast.....since the end of June!!!!!

Me too, love my 114060 and how it wears, would not sell it or trade it for any watch

[Gerardus]

Originally Posted by JRell

Here is the thing. I have the 114060. I would be lying to say I would pick mine over the new one, if for not anything else it is the latest and greatest. If I have to be picky, the dial increase is great for the date, but I think leaves the no date look even more bare. But that is being picky. It is not enough of a change for me to trade-in directly, at least now. Will continue to enjoy and see if I change my mind in the future. The good thing is they look pretty similar to the untrained eye, so I can get some sleep now lol.

FWIW...I would not trade mine towards the new model.

[Heady Topper]

I like the proportions, but atm it looks like they're just a little too "blown up". The 21 mm bracelet integrates well into the 41mm case, but a 20mm into slimmed 40 would've looked better. That said, the super case is also a looker

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[WatchNutcase]

Originally Posted by Heady Topper

I like the proportions, but atm it looks like they're just a little too "blown up". The 21 mm bracelet integrates well into the 41mm case, but a 20mm into slimmed 40 would've looked better. That said, the super case is also a looker

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Proportion wise the 124060 looks great, except for the now roomier dial which I already don't like on the explorer 1 39mm. I think the 124060 is going to wear larger than the 114060 regardless of the dimensions update. Very curious to find out the to to lug length.

[Irydium]

From the Revolution video the L2L looks the same




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[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Irydium

From the Revolution video the L2L looks the same




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Took me a minute to figure out the old and new. First pic the new one was on the right side lol

[Duey]

Originally Posted by FTX I

Took me a minute to figure out the old and new. First pic the new one was on the right side lol

Me too

I can't wait to get a set of calipers out and do some measurements.
To me -
Dial , Bezel, Crystal and case length are the same size (and I bet they are)

Just like I bet the OP39 is the same size as the OP41 (it's the same p/n with a 2 in it for the movement)

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Duey

Me too

I can't wait to get a set of calipers out and do some measurements.
To me -
Dial , Bezel, Crystal and case length are the same size (and I bet they are)

Just like I bet the OP39 is the same size as the OP41 (it's the same p/n with a 2 in it for the movement)

I tend to agree with you my friend.

[brucethemanlee]

Originally Posted by Irydium

From the Revolution video the L2L looks the same




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not exact science but I measured both watches on screen.... both were 9.7CM lug tip to lug tip - assuming the pics are frame the properly with same angle. so look like rolex increased bezel but shortened the lugs a hair to maintain the same lug to lug as previous Sub

i like it

[WatchNutcase]

Originally Posted by brucethemanlee

not exact science but I measured both watches on screen.... both were 9.7CM lug tip to lug tip - assuming the pics are frame the properly with same angle. so look like rolex increased bezel but shortened the lugs a hair to maintain the same lug to lug as previous Sub

i like it

That’s quite hard to do just with pics, could be off by 1-2mm. The lug to lug / bracelet width certainly looks significantly larger on the 124060.

[Rori]

Originally Posted by Irydium

From the Revolution video the L2L looks the same




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This side by side image said it all.
People nagging about the size increase,
I said it the first moment I saw the new case design, Rolex decreased the watch size even if on papers it’s one mm larger.
Coming from an SD43 experience, I know how those tapered lugs affect the perception, feel and look of the case.
From above, the SD43 looks same size as the maxi case sub.


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[WatchNutcase]

Originally Posted by Rori

This side by side image said it all.
People nagging about the size increase,
I said it the first moment I saw the new case design, Rolex decreased the watch size even if on papers it’s one mm larger.
Coming from an SD43 experience, I know how those tapered lugs affect the perception, feel and look of the case.
From above, the SD43 looks same size as the maxi case sub.


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We need to measure the watch to confirm this, so far it just looks like the lugs have been slimmed while everything else about the watch has actually been increased by 1mm. It's impossible to tell from a pic.

[greggsiam]

Originally Posted by Irydium

From the Revolution video the L2L looks the same




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Look at the angle. On the left it is slightly outside the braclet. The one on the right is straight up and down. If you follow the edge of the bracelet line, it gets slightly wider as it goes up. The right one doesn't. Maybe it is just the way it was shot, but it seems a bit wider to me. Granted only a pic, but lay a piece of paper (to measure) on the right one, then the left, the left is longer.

[Rashid.bk]

Here's a good comparison, looking at them side by side the difference is very negligible. The 41mm seems like it's a DJ41 sizing, ie smaller than the data says.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4x2jqNF8s0



I was a critic, but I'm warming up to the new Sub No Date. The winners for me are the Submariner LNs, the two tones, and the yellow gold models.
I don't get a regular black bezel blue dial white gold, that should have been steel, and the new LVC makes less sense considering that design was a 50th Anniversary design, now it means nothing to Rolex I suppose. Those two are Rolex Black Bays for me, sorry.

[AJMarcus]

The lug width will dictate how any watch fits on smaller wrists. 41mm watches usually have 21 mm lugs. Has anyone confirmed the lug size yet?

[WatchNutcase]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

The lug width will dictate how any watch fits on smaller wrists. 41mm watches usually have 21 mm lugs. Has anyone confirmed the lug size yet?

Lug width/bracelet width is confirmed at 21. Wondering what the lug to lug length is.

[brucethemanlee]

hands on....

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CElAvSK...on_share_sheet

Seems to wear same or smaller

I'm going to pick up Kermit

[TimeAZ]

Originally Posted by brucethemanlee

hands on....

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CElAvSK...on_share_sheet

Seems to wear same or smaller

I'm going to pick up Kermit

That's also what the Revolution video implies... that the new sub actually wears more comfortably on the wrist, and it wears smaller (if not the same).

From visual inspection I would say the lug-to-lug is identical.

The tapering of the case design and thinning of the lugs help improve its wearability and probably create the sense that it is slightly smaller.

As a small-wristed person, I would definitely go for the 124060.

Another interesting observation: The mercedes handset and minute hand look a little larger. This also optically creates the feeling that the watch seems a little smaller. Glad this is only a tiny increase and not enormous like the explorer II

[WatchNutcase]

Originally Posted by TimeAZ

That's also what the Revolution video implies... that the new sub actually wears more comfortably on the wrist, and it wears smaller (if not the same).

From visual inspection I would say the lug-to-lug is identical.

The tapering of the case design and thinning of the lugs help improve its wearability and probably create the sense that it is slightly smaller.

As a small-wristed person, I would definitely go for the 124060.

Another interesting observation: The mercedes handset and minute hand look a little larger. This also optically creates the feeling that the watch seems a little smaller. Glad this is only a tiny increase and not enormous like the explorer II

I really dont think the 124060 is the way to go for smaller wrists, but we'll have to wait to try on to really know. I have a feeling the wider bezel and roomier dial alone will make it wear larger.

[DonRickles]

Like to see them on the scale?

[Heady Topper]

Originally Posted by WatchNutcase

I really dont think the 124060 is the way to go for smaller wrists, but we'll have to wait to try on to really know. I have a feeling the wider bezel and roomier dial alone will make it wear larger.

Per Hodinkee, it wears larger. Revolution, smaller. So who knows...

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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Heady Topper

Per Hodinkee, it wears larger. Revolution, smaller. So who knows...

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And per this reviewer who had it on his wrist, it wears smaller

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CElAvSK...on_share_sheet

[DocHolliday]

Originally Posted by Heady Topper

Per Hodinkee, it wears larger. Revolution, smaller. So who knows...

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Exactly. It’s hard to believe that none of them brought calipers to give exact measurements. These watch “journalists” are total hacks. They literally just spit out whatever they think people will want to hear so they get traffic on their website. Hodinkee was cool in its early days. Now they are all just sellouts and their reviews are basically promotional articles.


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by brucethemanlee

hands on....

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CElAvSK...on_share_sheet

Seems to wear same or smaller

I'm going to pick up Kermit

Nice video Bruce

It would be really interesting to know if the dial is in fact larger than its predecessor, or if it’s just an optical illusion ...

[Frank McKay]

Originally Posted by WatchNutcase

So, which one is now the smaller Sub?

The 124060 now has a larger 41mm case, larger lug to lug width, wider bracelet, wider ceramic bezel, and apparently a "roomier" feeling dial. Same case thickness.

The only thing pointing to a more compact 124060 are the slimmed lugs.

Does anyone know the lug to lug distance on the 124060, longer than 114060?

Seems to me that the 114060 is now the smaller Sub.

Great post.