Worth 'upgrading' to new subs?

[IR201]

Hi guys, I guess this is more a specific question for people who have the previous 6 digit ceramic versions and still bought the newest one.

I'm aware of the differences - I like the thinner lugs, don't like the thicker clasp, the bracelet width I need to feel to know and I'm not a movement guy so don't really care about that.

Question is, I've got three of the previous version - the hulk, the bluesy and the 114060. Am thinking about the 124060 now but wondering if the difference is worth it to even pursue?

[dpt.calvin]

Question: are you happy and content with your current Sub C?

[IR201]

Originally Posted by dpt.calvin

Question: are you happy and content with your current Sub C?

I'm not sure. Sometimes? I mean, don't get me wrong. I am super lucky to have them and think they are beautiful. But sometimes the lugs do look a bit thick to me. I've always preferred the dimensions of the 5 digit and the ceramic bezel and better clasp of the 6 digit. I've also got a SD4K which is closer to my ideal watch but not quite there. Lugs a bit stubbier than I would like and the watch a bit thicker including a caseback which protrudes more into my wrist. So I was thinking maybe the new no date might be an improvement for me. But I guess it's all about trade offs. Not sure. Hoping to hear experiences.

[seabreeze60]

The 124060 is a nice watch. If you can pickup at list price I would go for it. You can decide later if you choose to prune your collection.


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[FTX I]

When the 124060 was introduced a month ago I was sure I'd add one but I can't tell the difference between them without my reading glasses, not to mention the movement issues, so I'm not that sure now. However, to answer your question I'd never trade my 114060.

[cuibono]

Originally Posted by FTX I

When the 124060 was introduced a month ago I was sure I'd add one but I can't tell the difference between them without my reading glasses, not to mention the movement issues, so I'm not that sure now. However, to answer your question I'd never trade my 114060.

What movement issues?

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[FTX I]

Originally Posted by cuibono

What movement issues?

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Not sure it applies to the new 3230 but this thread is a bit worrying.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=729198

[CedCraig]

Originally Posted by cuibono

What movement issues?

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I’ve seen a few threads that mention major inaccuracy issues with some 32xx movements. Lubrication issues have been noted, but some people have had to send their new watches back more than once, which should not be a lubrication issue. Seems like new SDs are particularly prone.

Like the Kenissi GMT movement issues, which Tudor has not owned up to, it’s unlikely Rolex would admit to any problems with their “latest and greatest.”

[goliat]

Originally Posted by FTX I

When the 124060 was introduced a month ago I was sure I'd add one but I can't tell the difference between them without my reading glasses, not to mention the movement issues, so I'm not that sure now. However, to answer your question I'd never trade my 114060.

The new Sub has movement issues?

[southcarolina1801]

Originally Posted by goliat

The new Sub has movement issues?

No, a few people years ago had some issues when the movement was first released. Very small minority compared to the hundreds of thousands of 32xx movements out in the wild now.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by goliat

The new Sub has movement issues?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=729198

[nfld]

Originally Posted by FTX I

When the 124060 was introduced a month ago I was sure I'd add one but I can't tell the difference between them without my reading glasses, not to mention the movement issues, so I'm not that sure now. However, to answer your question I'd never trade my 114060.

Never trading my 114060

[mike morris]

For me fat lugs plus , See watch 20-30 years old , small lugs looks terrible , fat you can polish 100 times and will looks great , and I’m fan 3135 , I have DJ 41 on 3235 ,first 6 months was +0,5s day , after quick go down to 12s and I sold it . My wife’s new DJ 36 on 3235 after 3 months go -8s , I’m trade it for last production DJ 36 on 3135 with super jubilee .and I’m happy . I’m not ready to go 3235 again .

[TimeAZ]

Originally Posted by mike morris

For me fat lugs plus , See watch 20-30 years old , small lugs looks terrible , fat you can polish 100 times and will looks great , and I’m fan 3135 , I have DJ 41 on 3235 ,first 6 months was +0,5s day , after quick go down to 12s and I sold it . My wife’s new DJ 36 on 3235 after 3 months go -8s , I’m trade it for last production DJ 36 on 3135 with super jubilee .and I’m happy . I’m not ready to go 3235 again .

All valid points. I never really thought about it, but the benefit of those fat lugs is the ability to polish it over and over, maybe decades from now they'll still retain a nice shape since there's room for gradual wear of polishing. Having said that, I still think the fat lugs ruins the look of the watch especially with after-market straps. 114060 does not look good on leather straps, in my opinion.

Also, I've read one too many of comments about these problems with the 3235 movement, reported to lose time after several months of use. Can you imagine paying $10k and then winding up with something losing 10 second per day?? That is absolutely unacceptable.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by TimeAZ

All valid points. I never really thought about it, but the benefit of those fat lugs is the ability to polish it over and over, maybe decades from now they'll still retain a nice shape since there's room for gradual wear of polishing. Having said that, I still think the fat lugs ruins the look of the watch especially with after-market straps. 114060 does not look good on leather straps, in my opinion.

Also, I've read one too many of comments about these problems with the 3235 movement, reported to lose time after several months of use. Can you imagine paying $10k and then winding up with something losing 10 second per day?? That is absolutely unacceptable.

Agreed.
It's a huge risk to take on a potential lemon.
It wouldn't be the first time in history that a lemon was thrust upon the unsuspecting public either
And warranty doesn't go on in perpetuity, after 5 years one is likely left up to their own devices.

[RJM25R]

Originally Posted by mike morris

For me fat lugs plus , See watch 20-30 years old , small lugs looks terrible , fat you can polish 100 times and will looks great , and I’m fan 3135 , I have DJ 41 on 3235 ,first 6 months was +0,5s day , after quick go down to 12s and I sold it . My wife’s new DJ 36 on 3235 after 3 months go -8s , I’m trade it for last production DJ 36 on 3135 with super jubilee .and I’m happy . I’m not ready to go 3235 again .

Can anyone translate this for me please?

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by RJM25R

Can anyone translate this for me please?

Relax English is probably his second or third language.

[RJM25R]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Relax English is probably his second or third language.

With a name like Mike Morris?!

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by RJM25R

Can anyone translate this for me please?

For the uninitiated.
He got 3235'd and isn't lining up for another dose anytime soon

As they say.
Once bitten, twice shy

[David5807]

Yeah, maybe ditch the plain sub for the new generation. Alternatively, I would keep the Hulk and sell the other two for a PM Sub.

[Thanos]

Upgrade???

I would say new model. Not ‘upgrade’.

[IR201]

Originally Posted by Thanos

Upgrade???

I would say new model. Not ‘upgrade’.

Yes this is why I put it in quotes!


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[10klakes]

I got both, time will tell which stays or goes.

[Brny11]

Originally Posted by 10klakes

I got both, time will tell which stays or goes.

I think the 116610ln vs. 126LN is a toss up and I likely wouldn’t waste time flipping for it. The 114060 has always aligned more as “a classic” and I think it looks much better with the new classic case design, so yes I would swap it. As for lv, I am eagerly waiting to get the 126LV one of these years, yet you couldn’t pay me to wear a hulk.

All personal preference. Case size difference seemed negligible when I have handled new vs old. The lugs are contentious, but I like the uniqueness of the maxi case.

[Vetracer]

I’ve got a variation of Submariners and I currently have no desire to buy the new models. To me the jump from 5 digit to 6 digit ceramic was significant as was the green dial on the 116610LV. The new offerings are too subtlety different from the outgoing models with the exception of the much longer power reserve for me to justify their purchase.

[Annan]

I do not own nor want a Sub so I really don't have anything to say about the Subs in general. I do own a DJ41 with 3235 movement and have been a victim of the reported issue. I've heard from a reliable source who is a CW21 watchmaker for Rolex that all the 32XX movements are at risk. And.....Rolex is aware of the problem but to date has not issued a permanent "fix" for watchmakers to follow nor have they modified the 32XX movements that are in the latest releases. For more information do a search on this forum for related threads.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by Annan

I do not own nor want a Sub so I really don't have anything to say about the Subs in general. I do own a DJ41 with 3235 movement and have been a victim of the reported issue. I've heard from a reliable source who is a CW21 watchmaker for Rolex that all the 32XX movements are at risk. And.....Rolex is aware of the problem but to date has not issued a permanent "fix" for watchmakers to follow nor have they modified the 32XX movements that are in the latest releases. For more information do a search on this forum for related threads.

This is a major concern with the 32xx movement. The 3135 is tried and proven over decades. As for myself, I have no reason to move my 116618LB for a 126618

[TimeAZ]

Originally Posted by Annan

I do not own nor want a Sub so I really don't have anything to say about the Subs in general. I do own a DJ41 with 3235 movement and have been a victim of the reported issue. I've heard from a reliable source who is a CW21 watchmaker for Rolex that all the 32XX movements are at risk. And.....Rolex is aware of the problem but to date has not issued a permanent "fix" for watchmakers to follow nor have they modified the 32XX movements that are in the latest releases. For more information do a search on this forum for related threads.

And this is why I'm avoiding anything with a 32XX movement....

[winst]

Originally Posted by TimeAZ

And this is why I'm avoiding anything with a 32XX movement....

That’s exactly why I decided to buy my Explorer 39mm now as I believe that like with cars it is always good to have the last of an outgoing model where any flaws have been eliminated by the end of the production run.

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by TimeAZ

And this is why I'm avoiding anything with a 32XX movement....

Nothing wrong with the 32xx series, it is an excellent movement that will be the mainstay of Rolex watches for many many years to come.

There is a daft aura around the 31xx series that it is some super movement, built by mystical elves from magical materials found deep underground the Swiss mountains.

Well, wake up guys, I am sure that whilst the 31xx series is a damned good movement it had its faults when it arrived in Rolex watches. It is just that Rolex has ironed out the bugs that the 31xx had and turned it into the wonderful movement it became.

But nothing stays the same forever and Rolex has moved on.

Sure there will be teething problems with the 32xx at the start but that is no different to any new product, these issues happen, Rolex will iron any bugs as they come to light and of course you have a warranty that is there to cover these problems.

The 31xx was awesome, the 32xx will improve on that standard and take the process forward.