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louie · 30 April 2009, 02:30 AM

guys,any of you own this...one of my friend had this. It's massive...looks nice,and very well built.But not Panerai...

PS.Photos taken from the web.

feilong108 · 30 April 2009, 02:40 AM

well..nice homage...hehe...

louie · 30 April 2009, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by feilong108

well..nice homage...hehe...

bro you're here too! what your thoughts about this beast,got "poison" from stanly photos now thinking of getting one for collection!

Trurolexer · 30 April 2009, 02:55 AM

I like the hands. Look like the orginal Panerai.
Nice watch, BTW.

Ted Su(TW) · 30 April 2009, 03:31 AM

I used to have one few yrs back, the early production ones. Sold it, regretted it and bought another. But the quality of the later batch is not quite close to the early ones. Sold it again...

Nice watch indeed.

Ted Su(TW)

louie · 30 April 2009, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ted Su(TW)

I used to have one few yrs back, the early production ones. Sold it, regretted it and bought another. But the quality of the later batch is not quite close to the early ones. Sold it again...

Nice watch indeed.

Ted Su(TW)

the second one is it also from Ken trading..?

Cos i know the ones made by Ken trading are awesome,and later many copies made by the chinese..but they look almost identical.

Ted Su(TW) · 30 April 2009, 03:52 AM

I'm pretty sure it was from Ken trading. Everything were correct and perfect except the crown guard. It was loose.

Ted Su(TW)

louie · 30 April 2009, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ted Su(TW)

I'm pretty sure it was from Ken trading. Everything were correct and perfect except the crown guard. It was loose.

Ted Su(TW)

thanks Ted for the input..i guess so its the quality control at Ken trading..

i tried my friend's MM20 once on my wrist...gees! really BIG!Or its just a matter of getting used to it...just like i used to think 44mm is too big for me.

Trurolexer · 30 April 2009, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ted Su(TW)

I'm pretty sure it was from Ken trading. Everything were correct and perfect except the crown guard. It was loose.

Ted Su(TW)

Yup, the crown guard is too loose.

louie · 30 April 2009, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Yup, the crown guard is too loose.

Heru! you got one before!?!?

Trurolexer · 30 April 2009, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by louie

Heru! you got one before!?!?

Nope, but I seen it before. Nice watch. I though this one made from Japan.
Is this model is made in China?

argee1977 · 30 April 2009, 05:59 AM

I love the look of the Plasmir Milgraph, but there's a lot of the RXW models that are a bit twitchy with their movements and it's a bit of a gamble buying one as you have no comeback, plus they're not that cheap.

Ted Su(TW) · 30 April 2009, 04:06 AM

I agree. The doomed crystal makes the dial even bigger. One thing about these 47mm watches with doomed crystals is, they get lots of compliments no matter where you go.

My 217 used to get all the wrist time until I got my 176 which is very comfy and now the GMTII-C....just can't take it off.

Ted Su(TW)

mfer · 30 April 2009, 06:16 AM

Yeah, I've hear do people have a difficult time replacing the crown stem for example.

arezzo66 · 30 April 2009, 08:24 AM

A friend of mine has that, cool watch for the money but has a cheap feel to it.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by louie

guys,any of you own this...one of my friend had this. It's massive...looks nice,and very well built.But not Panerai...

PS.Photos taken from the web.

housemad · 30 April 2009, 10:51 AM

Please guide me??? Is this a replica????
Numbers on dials look oversized???

louie · 30 April 2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by argee1977

I love the look of the Plasmir Milgraph, but there's a lot of the RXW models that are a bit twitchy with their movements and it's a bit of a gamble buying one as you have no comeback, plus they're not that cheap.

yeah i liked the plasmirs and had owned them...the 2,and 3 counter registers. But pass on the 47mm,it just look too big for my small wrist...(i ever posted the 3 registers at the sale section

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Originally Posted by housemad

Please guide me??? Is this a replica????
Numbers on dials look oversized???

replica....hmmmm not really but more like a homage to the 1950s Marina Militaire made for the Italian navy.The numbers look even bigger under the dome crystal...

housemad · 2 May 2009, 06:18 AM

First time I heard about these "homage" not to say replicas!!

What are the specs???

Movement???

Are they realy swiss made or just some other cheap China copies like they do best!

louie · 3 May 2009, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by housemad

First time I heard about these "homage" not to say replicas!!

What are the specs???

Movement???

Are they realy swiss made or just some other cheap China copies like they do best!

Hi Dav,the ones that made by Ken Sato are swiss unitas.And the first run of this MM20 was really short,and was quickly sold out.After that some other companies made them and fitted the chinese made unitas. I even heard of russian unitas,but i never seen them.

i remembered one of our fellow mod commented on this Marina Militaire.I found the link below,here you go...

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=276

Trurolexer · 3 May 2009, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie

Hi Dav,the ones that made by Ken Sato are swiss unitas.And the first run of this MM20 was really short,and was quickly sold out.After that some other companies made them and fitted the chinese made unitas. I even heard of russian unitas,but i never seen them.

i remembered one of our fellow mod commented on this Marina Militaire.I found the link below,here you go...

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=276

Padi always know everything.

SALUTE!!!

louie · 3 May 2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Padi always know everything.

SALUTE!!!

yesh i always enjoyed reading Padi's comments on watches..but NOT on the 16710-3186

Andad · 3 May 2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by louie

yesh i always enjoyed reading Padi's comments on watches..but NOT the 16710-3186

Do you mean the 3186 that is the about same as the 3185?

housemad · 3 May 2009, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie

Hi Dav,the ones that made by Ken Sato are swiss unitas.And the first run of this MM20 was really short,and was quickly sold out.After that some other companies made them and fitted the chinese made unitas. I even heard of russian unitas,but i never seen them.

i remembered one of our fellow mod commented on this Marina Militaire.I found the link below,here you go...

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=276

Are they expensive???

Trurolexer · 3 May 2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by housemad

Are they expensive???

Around USD 1,000.-/

Andad · 3 May 2009, 07:18 PM

Is this a Unitas type movement in an unmarked case?

They sell for about US$160. I thought they might be good for a bit of watchmaking practice?

Chris might want me to do some adjusting on his 231.

Andad · 3 May 2009, 07:32 PM

Come in....spinner.

louie · 3 May 2009, 07:56 PM

Trurolexer · 3 May 2009, 08:55 PM

I like the old GMT withe their old movement, please.

c2tcardin · 3 May 2009, 10:33 PM

I came across these homage pams a while back, I haven't had the nerve to pick one up but they look pretty well built. Any one else have experience with Dievas?
http://www.gnomonwatches.com/Dievas.html

I was thinking of checking out either of these two...
http://www.gnomonwatches.com/DievasV...chwimmerS.html
http://www.gnomonwatches.com/DievasVintage3646S.html

louie · 3 May 2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by c2tcardin

I came across these homage pams a while back, I haven't had the nerve to pick one up but they look pretty well built. Any one else have experience with Dievas?
http://www.gnomonwatches.com/Dievas.html

I was thinking of checking out either of these two...
http://www.gnomonwatches.com/DievasV...chwimmerS.html
http://www.gnomonwatches.com/DievasVintage3646S.html

i know they have a showroom here in Singapore...personally i never own any of this Dievas.

30 April 2009, 02:30 AM	#1
louie "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Louis Location: Earth Watch: The Beast Posts: 1,352	RXW MM20 47mm anyone own this beast... guys,any of you own this...one of my friend had this. It's massive...looks nice,and very well built.But not Panerai... PS.Photos taken from the web. Attached Images __________________ " I THINK PERFECTION IS UGLY. SOMEWHERE IN THE THINGS HUMANS MAKE, I WANT TO SEE SCARS, FAILURE, DISORDER AND DISTORTION" - YOHJI YAMAMOTO

30 April 2009, 02:40 AM	#2
feilong108 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Eugene Location: Singapore Watch: Year 1981 5513 Posts: 125	well..nice homage...hehe... __________________ Mini Grail attained: Rolex 5513 Matte Mark2 Dial Card-carrying member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons

30 April 2009, 05:59 AM	#12
argee1977 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Ryan Location: England Watch: AP ROC Posts: 1,462	I love the look of the Plasmir Milgraph, but there's a lot of the RXW models that are a bit twitchy with their movements and it's a bit of a gamble buying one as you have no comeback, plus they're not that cheap. __________________ PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT

30 April 2009, 06:16 AM	#14
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	Yeah, I've hear do people have a difficult time replacing the crown stem for example. __________________ member#3242

3 May 2009, 07:18 PM	#25
Andad 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,733	Is this a Unitas type movement in an unmarked case? They sell for about US$160. I thought they might be good for a bit of watchmaking practice? Chris might want me to do some adjusting on his 231. Attached Images __________________ E

30 April 2009, 02:55 AM	#4
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	I like the hands. Look like the orginal Panerai. Nice watch, BTW.

30 April 2009, 03:31 AM	#5
Ted Su(TW) Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Taiwan Posts: 77	I used to have one few yrs back, the early production ones. Sold it, regretted it and bought another. But the quality of the later batch is not quite close to the early ones. Sold it again... Nice watch indeed. Ted Su(TW)

30 April 2009, 03:52 AM	#7
Ted Su(TW) Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Taiwan Posts: 77	I'm pretty sure it was from Ken trading. Everything were correct and perfect except the crown guard. It was loose. Ted Su(TW)

30 April 2009, 04:06 AM	#13
Ted Su(TW) Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Taiwan Posts: 77	I agree. The doomed crystal makes the dial even bigger. One thing about these 47mm watches with doomed crystals is, they get lots of compliments no matter where you go. My 217 used to get all the wrist time until I got my 176 which is very comfy and now the GMTII-C....just can't take it off. Ted Su(TW)

30 April 2009, 10:51 AM	#16
housemad Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: David Location: Montreal Watch: Graham chr.GMT O/S Posts: 373	Please guide me??? Is this a replica???? Numbers on dials look oversized???

2 May 2009, 06:18 AM	#18
housemad Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: David Location: Montreal Watch: Graham chr.GMT O/S Posts: 373	First time I heard about these "homage" not to say replicas!! What are the specs??? Movement??? Are they realy swiss made or just some other cheap China copies like they do best!

3 May 2009, 07:32 PM	#26
Andad 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,733	Come in....spinner. Attached Images __________________ E

3 May 2009, 07:56 PM	#27
louie "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Louis Location: Earth Watch: The Beast Posts: 1,352	Here I COME!! __________________ " I THINK PERFECTION IS UGLY. SOMEWHERE IN THE THINGS HUMANS MAKE, I WANT TO SEE SCARS, FAILURE, DISORDER AND DISTORTION" - YOHJI YAMAMOTO

3 May 2009, 08:55 PM	#28
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	I like the old GMT withe their old movement, please.

3 May 2009, 10:33 PM	#29
c2tcardin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: NH Watch: Pam 312 & DJ II Posts: 312	I came across these homage pams a while back, I haven't had the nerve to pick one up but they look pretty well built. Any one else have experience with Dievas? http://www.gnomonwatches.com/Dievas.html I was thinking of checking out either of these two... http://www.gnomonwatches.com/DievasV...chwimmerS.html http://www.gnomonwatches.com/DievasVintage3646S.html __________________ Cheers, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------ PAM 312, DJ II

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