What we already knew about Rolex ADs confirmed

[Rexplorer214270]

John P the business partner of Frederico of Delray watch confirms what we already knew about Rolex ADs in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9BuK6dgQ5M (go to 1:52)

He says particularly for the Explorer line and Milgauss that they are not only readily available but AD's are contacting John P and Frederico offering them Explorers and Milgauss.

[kieselguhr]

Sounds like a plug for the channel

[42itus]

If that were true why would they announce it?


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[Rexplorer214270]

Originally Posted by 42itus

If that were true why would they announce it?


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Judge for yourself by watching the video

[42itus]

Originally Posted by Rexplorer214270

Judge for yourself by watching the video

What he’s saying makes sense. Without watching the video I was under the assumption that this was an AD back door deal to grey dealers. He’s just saying he went in asking for watches and was offered an Explorer.
Thanks for sharing.


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[Rexplorer214270]

Originally Posted by 42itus

What he’s saying makes sense. Without watching the video I was under the assumption that this was an AD back door deal to grey dealers. He’s just saying he went in asking for watches and was offered an Explorer.
Thanks for sharing.


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There was also the part before where he says AD’s that they hardly even do business with would reach out to them with Explorers and Milhauss.

[Lemonvr6]

Of course it’s true

[Harry-57]

What we already knew?

Please speak for yourself. I didn't know this and I expect many others didn't. Otherwise there would be stacks and stacks of irrefutable documentary evidence posted here. It's not industrial espionage or libel. So where is all the hard evidence?

[G.Montag]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

What we already knew?

Please speak for yourself. I didn't know this and I expect many others didn't. Otherwise there would be stacks and stacks of irrefutable documentary evidence posted here. It's not industrial espionage or libel. So where is all the hard evidence?

What kind of evidence do you want? A sworn affidavit from a Rolex AD?

[Rexplorer214270]

Originally Posted by G.Montag

What kind of evidence do you want? A sworn affidavit from a Rolex AD?

[padi56]

Originally Posted by G.Montag

What kind of evidence do you want? A sworn affidavit from a Rolex AD?

Well if it's on the likes of Youtube it must be true I dont think, personally would not even click on a link to Youtube, as many there are complete garbage and little more than clickbait.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by G.Montag

What kind of evidence do you want? A sworn affidavit from a Rolex AD?

Something that backs up your claim which is documentary evidence as opposed to gossip.

The correlation between grey resellers and AD availability may look strong. It seems to track. But if you "know" something, then you can prove it. So prove it. Produce something.

Perhaps instead of claiming we all know, you should say it's your deduction. That's reasonable. Although of course, it won't have such high click bait potency or dramatic value. The truth seldom does in the world of luxury retail.

[G.Montag]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

Something that backs up your claim which is documentary evidence as opposed to gossip.

The correlation between grey resellers and AD availability may look strong. It seems to track. But if you "know" something, then you can prove it. So prove it. Produce something.

Perhaps instead of claiming we all know, you should say it's your deduction. That's reasonable. Although of course, it won't have such high click bait potency or dramatic value. The truth seldom does in the world of luxury retail.

I’m not the OP. I couldn’t care less about the YouTube video that he posted. But I believe in logic and common sense. And common sense would suggest that resellers that are stocked to the brims with brand new, “hard to get” watches (sometimes still with stickers), are getting them from somewhere. And they are not getting them from guys who have been on the “waitlist” for 2 years or from “VIPs” who have spent hundred of thousands of dollars on jewelry to be offered these pieces.

AD’s can’t sell stainless Daytona’s, GMTs and green Subs directly to the consumer at prices above the MSRP because that would be frowned upon by Rolex. So they sell them to people they can trust to keep their mouths shut (i.e. resellers). You will not get any “hard evidence” for reasons that should be quite obvious. The ADs and the resellers both make good money by going around Rolex’s artificial price restrictions. Why would they want to ruin it?

[Atone]

I think there are a lot of references people report as being hard to find that are quite simple to stumble upon at an AD

[Token74]

ADs are businesses. They exist to make money, I’ve no issue with whatever they get up to. I am either able to get a watch I want at an acceptable price or I’m not. It’s just a watch, I really don’t understand the constant drama over how ADs and the grey market operate.


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[brucethemanlee]

Yeah but what he neglected to say was that delray probably had to pick up other pieces as well as before getting the explorer in the package


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[Rexplorer214270]

Originally Posted by brucethemanlee

Yeah but what he neglected to say was that delray probably had to pick up other pieces as well as before getting the explorer in the package


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I don’t think they had too. He said that ADs would reach out to them

[Edfrozen]

Delray watch youtube is just a vehicle to sell their watches. Nothing more
I would not trust those guys for a second

Watchbox and Tim Mosso are just another fancier pig dressed up and selling their wares as well

Its all about making money

[GST15]

Originally Posted by edfrozen

delray watch youtube is just a vehicle to sell their watches. Nothing more
i would not trust those guys for a second

watchbox and tim mosso are just another fancier pig dressed up and selling their wares as well

its all about making money

+1

[GCFA]

Originally Posted by Edfrozen

Delray watch youtube is just a vehicle to sell their watches. Nothing more
I would not trust those guys for a second

Watchbox and Tim Mosso are just another fancier pig dressed up and selling their wares as well

Its all about making money

Exactly, Bark&Jack sells obviously overpriced merchandises on his channel and constantly kisses watch manufacturers asses for returns. Paul the Englishman and his secondary market dealer friends pretend to be talking about AD greddy actually is anther way to promote their litter grey dealer businesses. And other small watch channels are basically all independent watch sellers or flippers in disguise of watch reviewers. I wouldn’t trust a word coming out of their mouths.

[Rado63]

It's a confusing video.. He claims AD's they don't actually have a relationship with called to offer an explorer. This makes it seem that AD's are trying to sell to secondary market dealers. Then he mentions he walked into an AD and asked for an explorer and received a call. Then he offers to help you buy an Omega through Omegas AD's at a discount.

[Eyenigma]

I suspect AD's who are sitting on Explorers or Explorer II's are envisioning a refresh to the brand. My hunch is they're dumping any remaining inventory they've been sitting on, knowing the new models will be the hot commodity.

[Rexplorer214270]

Originally Posted by Eyenigma

I suspect AD's who are sitting on Explorers or Explorer II's are envisioning a refresh to the brand. My hunch is they're dumping any remaining inventory they've been sitting on, knowing the new models will be the hot commodity.

Wouldn’t surprise me but there are number of threads here of people looking for Explorers and not being able to get one from the AD or being told it is a long wait

[JR16]

Don’t trust the internet...


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[Freq18Hz]

My AD some months back was offering deposit orders with short turn around time for both 1 and 2.

I waited 3 weeks for 2.

I have a feeling Rolex did a batch of the explorers before they update them, lots of 1s and 2s popping up around.


Best,

-Freq

[SoTaxLaw]

I only trust Frederico as far as I can throw him.

[watchbobby]

Originally Posted by SoTaxLaw

I only trust Frederico as far as I can throw him.

That won't be very far!

[MCO1]

Explorers may still be a bit rare. I was tempted by a Green Milgauss in an AD on Monday, I also could have picked up a new TT Bluesy. I certainly didn't have the energy or disrespect for the AD to pick them up then flip them. Although, is kind of on my radar for down the road.

[Etschell]

they know what they are talking about. it isnt shocking either.

[Calatrava r]

Availability is a function of demand. Models which are in cases at ADs do not have the high level of demand of certain SS sports models. Its really as simple as that. I doubt Rolex intentionally pumps out more slower moving models.