Well I could wait any longer for the bluesy so I bought something else

[Chef Guy]

Today 06:23 AMChef Guy
I bought a 116613lb yesterday it's a march 2020 model and it contains the new 3235 movement..... The ad offered me a brand new 126613LN but I turned it down they told me they'd keep the papers for 2 years and I'd have to sign a 3 year contract stating that if I was going to sell the watch I'd have to give them first refusal........but all that aside I'm happy my watch is the older model with the new movement ��

[Master_Grogu]

Is this an official AD? Do you have their (ridiculous) demands on writing? If yes, I’d send a nice little letter with copies to the mothership.

[ndrs63]

Originally Posted by Master_Grogu

Is this an official AD? Do you have their (ridiculous) demands on writing? If yes, I’d send a nice little letter with copies to the mothership.

Still better than the ADs that just offload the shipment to the grays


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[Chef Guy]

It's a family run ad in Scotland..... They have 3 shops Glasgow, Edinburgh and one in London.... They've been doing it for year's only on new sports models to stop people from flipping for profit and I suppose that's probably how they had a new one in the safe.... I wasn't on a list I just walked in and they showed it to me mentally with in 5 minutes.....so I bought the 116613ln instead because you never know what might happen in future and I might have to sell

[Bigsoftee]

Sign a 3 year contract, no papers for 2 years? I would rather wear a sun dial on my wrist than go through those hoops. Its your watch.

[Number3]

Porsche dealers do a similar buy-back scheme for certain models.

[Boopie]

Originally Posted by Number3

Porsche dealers do a similar buy-back scheme for certain models.

I got a Porsche Macan GTS a few years ago when they were new and white-hot, and the dealer made me sign that I wouldn’t sell it overseas.


I guess the “first refusal” term OP referenced would be okay if you plan to keep it and/or they’d buy it back at MSRP.

[Andad]

I can see that standing up in court.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

they told me they'd keep the papers for 2 years and I'd have to sign a 3 year contract stating that if I was going to sell the watch I'd have to give them first refusal

Who owns the watch? I'm guessing it's not you. £50 and half an hour with a solicitor should sort it out in your favour.

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

I'm happy my watch is the older model with the new movement

The model and movement combination is interesting. If it says 116613LB on the card (do you have the card handy to check?) it should contain the 31 movement. Has the movement been swapped or did Rolex make a cross over model? If they did, why is it still for sale after all this time? Got anything in writing from the seller about this?

No offense, but from what you say it sounds like you might have had your pants pulled down.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by harry-57

no offense, but from what you say it sounds like you might have had your pants pulled down.

+1

[Chef Guy]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

Who owns the watch? I'm guessing it's not you. £50 and half an hour with a solicitor should sort it out in your favour.



The model and movement combination is interesting. If it says 116613LB on the card (do you have the card handy to check?) it should contain the 31 movement. Has the movement been swapped or did Rolex make a cross over model? If they did, why is it still for sale after all this time? Got anything in writing from the seller about this?

No offense, but from what you say it sounds like you might have had your pants pulled down.

The ad said in early 2020 rolex started to phase out the 3135 in the submariner line

[Chef Guy]

It's definitely a 116613LN I queried the different movements and the ad was certain it was the new 3235

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

It's definitely a 116613LN I queried the different movements and the ad was certain it was the new 3235

It does not have a 3235. No way. The salesman was feeding you something that was the opposite of 'The Truth".

Did you pay List Price ? Hoe sure are you that he is an AD ? Check here .....

https://www.rolex.com/rolex-dealers/unitedkingdom.html

Dis you pay by credit card ?

In a word the term "Rip Off" sounds liuke it may be appropriate here. And if it is from a genuine AD then thats even worse !

A 3235 Movement will not fit in the case from a 3135 watch. The mountings are different.

You know what you need to do ! And its all revolves around return and refund.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

The ad said in early 2020 rolex started to phase out the 3135 in the submariner line

Yeah, he made that up. They didn't start "phasing" out the 3135 and somehow putting in 3235s in older models, they outright discontinued it flat out and introduced the new models at the end of summer (Aug 2020 iirc). All 11xxxx model Submariners with 313x movements were disco'd and the new 12xxxx Submariners were released with all new 323x movements and this is identified by a small crown at six btw swiss made.

The only watch with a 323x movement that doesn't have a crown at six is the first two years of production SD43.

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

It's definitely a 116613LN I queried the different movements and the ad was certain it was the new 3235

Ad's make up stuff all the time, I would be absolutely shocked if this is true, and the first such watch that I've heard that exists like this.
One way to confirm is whether the hands move a certain direction when you turn the crown clockwise, and what manuals did it come with. 3135 and 3235s come with different manuals. Photos would be nice.

[travisb]

AD sounds suspect.

[1665fan]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

It's definitely a 116613LN I queried the different movements and the ad was certain it was the new 3235

Did you mention to RSC the bullshit AD that wants to keep your warranty card for 2 years and play games with you????

[Chef Guy]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Did you mention to RSC the bullshit AD that wants to keep your warranty card for 2 years and play games with you????

Yes I did mention it and they said it's upto the ad to make these decisions not rolex... So long story short the ad can do what they want

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

Who owns the watch? I'm guessing it's not you. £50 and half an hour with a solicitor should sort it out in your favour.



The model and movement combination is interesting. If it says 116613LB on the card (do you have the card handy to check?) it should contain the 31 movement. Has the movement been swapped or did Rolex make a cross over model? If they did, why is it still for sale after all this time? Got anything in writing from the seller about this?

No offense, but from what you say it sounds like you might have had your pants pulled down.

Pretty sure there's no such watch that exist beginning with a reference 11xxxx and has a new 3235 movement, unless they swapped it, then it's a frankenwatch and you will have issues with Rolex in the future or anything that involves someone other than you, the owner.

I think you are confused or they did pull your pants down.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

Today 06:23 AMChef Guy
I bought a 116613lb yesterday it's a march 2020 model and it contains the new 3235 movement.....

I fund it almost impossible to agree it has the new 3235 movement.

EASY way to know is via the power reserve time. If it goes to 70 hours its the 32xx If not its the 31xx.

I think you have "Been had".

You said its an AD ???? Only 2 Glasgow AD's i think ... FH and L.

Neither of those normally pull stunts like that ..... and certainly not the 3 year and hold papers game.

Thats OUTRAGEOUS and NOT approved by Rolex themselves.

Please keep us informed .. But .... Something somewhere is not correct.

[Chef Guy]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I fund it almost impossible to agree it has the new 3235 movement.

EASY way to know is via the power reserve time. If it goes to 70 hours its the 32xx If not its the 31xx.

I think you have "Been had".

You said its an AD ???? Only 2 Glasgow AD's i think ... FH and L.

Neither of those normally pull stunts like that ..... and certainly not the 3 year and hold papers game.

Thats OUTRAGEOUS and NOT approved by Rolex themselves.

Please keep us informed .. But .... Something somewhere is not correct.

The ad said in early 2020 rolex started to phase out the 3135 in the submariner line

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I fund it almost impossible to agree it has the new 3235 movement.

EASY way to know is via the power reserve time. If it goes to 70 hours its the 32xx If not its the 31xx.

I think you have "Been had".

You said its an AD ???? Only 2 Glasgow AD's i think ... FH and L.

Neither of those normally pull stunts like that ..... and certainly not the 3 year and hold papers game.

Thats OUTRAGEOUS and NOT approved by Rolex themselves.

Please keep us informed .. But .... Something somewhere is not correct.

Glasgow AD's are Laings and WoS

Its Laings, and its their policy (and has been for some time now). As you agree (or not) prior to purchase its entirely legal and, to be honest, I wouldn't have an issue with it.

They're a good bunch and if you had to sell I doubt they would have a problem with that.

They do it because they've been burned by people buying a hot reference and literally walking round the corner to Chisholm Hunter and flipping.

PS - agreed on the movement

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by Devildog

Glasgow AD's are Laings and WoS

Its Laings, and its their policy (and has been for some time now). As you agree (or not) prior to purchase its entirely legal and, to be honest, I wouldn't have an issue with it.

They're a good bunch and if you had to sell I doubt they would have a problem with that.

They do it because they've been burned by people buying a hot reference and literally walking round the corner to Chisholm Hunter and flipping.

PS - agreed on the movement

Not sure that this is legal, the store will only allow you to buy if you agree to a number of terms, no agreement equals no watch? Do I have this right?

I am thankful that I have a good AD and I am more thankful that I have my watches and don’t have to jump through these type of hoops anymore.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

Not sure that this is legal, the store will only allow you to buy if you agree to a number of terms, no agreement equals no watch? Do I have this right?

I am thankful that I have a good AD and I am more thankful that I have my watches and don’t have to jump through these type of hoops anymore.

It’s a precondition of sale so quite legal from the retailers side. Happens with certain high end cars.

If you don’t like it, you are free to shop elsewhere.

Of course if you did flip the watch within the contract period all you’ve done is breach a contract that the retailer is unlikely to pursue, given that breach of contract claims in the UK are generally based on the loss caused to the aggrieved party. As the retailer would struggle to demonstrate “loss” what claim could they possibly have?


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[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by Devildog

It’s a precondition of sale so quite legal from the retailers side. Happens with certain high end cars.

If you don’t like it, you are free to shop elsewhere.

Of course if you did flip the watch within the contract period all you’ve done is breach a contract that the retailer is unlikely to pursue, given that breach of contract claims in the UK are generally based on the loss caused to the aggrieved party. As the retailer would struggle to demonstrate “loss” what claim could they possibly have?


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But we’re talking about a popular mass produced watch, not a high end car.

Thankfully the chances of me buying from this dealer are less than zero so not something I’m going to have to worry about.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

Not sure that this is legal, the store will only allow you to buy if you agree to a number of terms, no agreement equals no watch? Do I have this right?

I am thankful that I have a good AD and I am more thankful that I have my watches and don’t have to jump through these type of hoops anymore.

It’s a precondition of sale so quite legal from the retailers side. Happens with certain high end cars.

If you don’t like it, you are free to shop elsewhere.

Of course if you did flip the watch within the contract period all you’ve done is breach a contract that the retailer is unlikely to pursue, given that breach of contract claims in the UK are generally based on the loss caused to the aggrieved party. As the retailer would struggle to demonstrate “loss” what claim could they possibly have?


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[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

Not sure that this is legal, the store will only allow you to buy if you agree to a number of terms, no agreement equals no watch? Do I have this right?

I am thankful that I have a good AD and I am more thankful that I have my watches and don’t have to jump through these type of hoops anymore.

It’s not about being legal. It’s your agreement with them.
Break it if you wish, they won’t take you to court, but just will never sell to you again.

They can’t stop you flipping a watch but can blacklisted you.

Simple

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

Today 06:23 AMChef Guy
I bought a 116613lb yesterday it's a march 2020 model and it contains the new 3235 movement..... The ad offered me a brand new 126613LN but I turned it down they told me they'd keep the papers for 2 years and I'd have to sign a 3 year contract stating that if I was going to sell the watch I'd have to give them first refusal........but all that aside I'm happy my watch is the older model with the new movement ��

Wow, I’m sure that that is not legal.

If you have paid the full price of any goods then those goods are yours to do with as you see fit.

Whilst I do not like those who flip their watches there is very little that can be done to stop it, but this AD (?), is way out of order in getting people to sign these contracts agreeing to these terms, which I believe would be deemed illegal by trading standards.

The big issue with this is the desire for ownership of Rolex watches, with watches being in short supply and very difficult to get hold of if something you like comes up then some will do almost anything to get hold of it.

Sad story, I hope that someone stands up and reports the store to stop this nonsense from happening.

I would also be unsure of the watch, please correct me if I have this wrong but the Submariner range didn’t get the 32xx movements until September 2020 when the new 41 was introduced? Prior to this the watches had the 31xx movements.

My question on the watch you bought is why is this old model allegedly powered by the new movement?

[Chef Guy]

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

Wow, I’m sure that that is not legal.

If you have paid the full price of any goods then those goods are yours to do with as you see fit.

Whilst I do not like those who flip their watches there is very little that can be done to stop it, but this AD (?), is way out of order in getting people to sign these contracts agreeing to these terms, which I believe would be deemed illegal by trading standards.

The big issue with this is the desire for ownership of Rolex watches, with watches being in short supply and very difficult to get hold of if something you like comes up then some will do almost anything to get hold of it.

Sad story, I hope that someone stands up and reports the store to stop this nonsense from happening.

I would also be unsure of the watch, please correct me if I have this wrong but the Submariner range didn’t get the 32xx movements until September 2020 when the new 41 was introduced? Prior to this the watches had the 31xx movements.

My question on the watch you bought is why is this old model allegedly powered by the new movement?

The ad said in early 2020 rolex started to phase out the 3135 in the submariner line

[Jb1264]

The AD would have sold you this watch, had they changed their approach:
“Sir, you have secured a wonderful timepiece
We hope you will enjoy it for many years.
We know circumstances can change
Let us know if you want to sell this in the future
we may even buy it back!”

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by Jb1264

The AD would have sold you this watch, had they changed their approach:
“Sir, you have secured a wonderful timepiece
We hope you will enjoy it for many years.
We know circumstances can change
Let us know if you want to sell this in the future
we may even buy it back!”

So true.