Luminor / Radiomir question

[tedo]

For this particular query…

— If the 127 (Fiddy) might be considered the iconic/classic Luminor model, what is the equivalent Radiomir model?

[The OG Beef]

232


all_in_the_pamily on IG

[rootbeer7]

I’d agree. And what a great piece too.

[inadeje]

I have the 127. If you’re looking at radiomir the historically correct and probably never to be released again is the 687 (I also have)

[The OG Beef]

Originally Posted by inadeje

I have the 127. If you’re looking at radiomir the historically correct and probably never to be released again is the 687 (I also have)

As much as I love the 687, it’s based on a cobbled together piece from the ‘60s. If you want as close to historically correct as possible you’re looking at 21/232/249. More recent pieces to look at are the 448/720/721.


all_in_the_pamily on IG

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by The OG Beef

As much as I love the 687, it’s based on a cobbled together piece from the ‘60s. If you want as close to historically correct as possible you’re looking at 21/232/249. More recent pieces to look at are the 448/720/721.


all_in_the_pamily on IG

I don’t agree. The 687 (and it’s black dialed partner) was a historically correct Panerai and very rare factory produced piece with its brevettato bezel. To save money with the original they used the same bezel as the screw down case back, threading both sides of the case the same, just like the contemporary 687. I researched the piece at the time and ordered it new when released. They had no issues using flat sapphire crystal but they kept it period and historically correct with Perspex/Plexi.

[fullcourt]

Originally Posted by inadeje

I don’t agree. The 687 (and it’s black dialed partner) was a historically correct Panerai and very rare factory produced piece with its brevettato bezel. To save money with the original they used the same bezel as the screw down case back, threading both sides of the case the same, just like the contemporary 687. I researched the piece at the time and ordered it new when released. They had no issues using flat sapphire crystal but they kept it period and historically correct with Perspex/Plexi.

No way are the 685/687 in the same class as the 21/232/249


dp
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chgo_risti on IG

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by fullcourt

No way are the 685/687 in the same class as the 21/232/249


dp
just living the dream
chicago, usa

chgo_risti on IG

I don’t disagree with your appeal for the models you mention, they are as you say historically correct. My only point is that the 687/685 are 100% historically correct. They really existed in Panerai history. This cannot be said for many others…

Since they’re extremely different to the other radiomirs I find that cocktail interesting

The risti community didn’t embrace the 687/685 but I see both as extremely important pieces that will one day have their glory.

[The OG Beef]

I should clarify that it’s the story of the 685/687 being presentation pieces from the ‘30s that’s bogus.

The known samples of 3646 watches with dodecagon bezels were assembled with various parts in the late ‘50s…maybe early ‘60s at the earliest. Did Panerai themselves assemble these? Maybe, maybe not. Were they ever presented to clients? Again, same answer.

My point is that watches like the 21/232/249 have a much more clear history. Vintage pieces that inspired these homages were issued to military clients and saw battle.

I’m not trying to take anything away from the 685/687. I have a 687 and love it. Any Panerai based on a historic piece will have some fog around it. Makes it interesting.


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[inadeje]

Originally Posted by The OG Beef

I should clarify that it’s the story of the 685/687 being presentation pieces from the ‘30s that’s bogus.

The known samples of 3646 watches with dodecagon bezels were assembled with various parts in the late ‘50s…maybe early ‘60s at the earliest. Did Panerai themselves assemble these? Maybe, maybe not. Were they ever presented to clients? Again, same answer.

My point is that watches like the 21/232/249 have a much more clear history. Vintage pieces that inspired these homages were issued to military clients and saw battle.

I’m not trying to take anything away from the 685/687. I have a 687 and love it. Any Panerai based on a historic piece will have some fog around it. Makes it interesting.


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It’s clear that Panerai history is both murky and somewhat corrupted since the advent of richemont. However, the brevettato (patent) for that screw down display caseback (later used as a bezel) does exist, it was filed (now obviously expired), as such the historical link is documented and real. As you know, this cannot be said for some of the other fables recounted by richemont marketing machine. I do agree with you though, a clearer historical path is obvious to the 21/232/249. I just find the 3646 legacy very interesting indeed, especially with a brand whose legacy has been bastardized to the point Panerai has been over the past two decades (or so). I firmly believe that richemont won’t reincarnate the 687/685, as such our pieces will have their day, even though it isn’t now. With true legacy thin on the ground, that patent is an attractive historical point backing our 687 in a quagmire of pure (and sad) fabrication…

[rootbeer7]

Popcorn time........