Need help Identifying this GMT 1675 or 16750

[sryukon]

Hi Im looking at this Rolex GMT but model number is hard to make out. Serial number is 517XXXX I can see 1675 but if it has a 0 its pretty pitted in that area. Also the dial has no Swiss at the bottom?? I think its a 1979? I have included some pics

[Dan S]

It's a 1675 based on the hand-stack order.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by sryukon

Hi Im looking at this Rolex GMT but model number is hard to make out. Serial number is 517XXXX I can see 1675 but if it has a 0 its pretty pitted in that area. Also the dial has no Swiss at the bottom?? I think its a 1979? I have included some pics

Agree with Dan. The hand stack is the most obvious indicator. If the 24 hour is below the hour hand, its likely a 1675, if its inbetween hour and minute, its likely a 16750.

The dial may be refinished...need better pics.

[Dan S]

The absence or presence of a quick-set date is another obvious difference if the OP has the watch in his hands.

[sryukon]

Originally Posted by Dan S

The absence or presence of a quick-set date is another obvious difference if the OP has the watch in his hands.

I did go back and check the date set and it is NOT quick set. But the date does change right at 12 and winding seems pretty smooth

[Nicus]

If you cant check the watch by your hands,
I would say the shape of the numbers 3 on the date wheel is also an indicator to be observed.
Rounded on the 16750, sharp on the 1675.

[Dan S]

Sorry, at first I just looked at the hands, but now having looked a little closer, the dial doesn't look right to me, bad printing, repainted and relumed probably. The crystal is also not authentic, no magnification. Needs a closer look for sure.

[harry in montreal]

Thé R &O in Rolex look funky to me. Ask for another photo with the hands out of the way.

[Jmbarrack]

All sorts of red flags with this one.

[JD305]

agree on teh dial ... and the 116 cyclops mag is off no doubt

Originally Posted by Jmbarrack

All sorts of red flags with this one.

[Traveling]

Originally Posted by Jmbarrack

All sorts of red flags with this one.

This is just my opinion, but why would the serial number be so abraded? It makes no sense if it was worn.
Edit: oh boy i just posted and now looked at the rest of the pics. yikes is all i have to say.

[donq]

Dial is a complete repaint. No Swiss made, no tritium indication at 6:00. Date magnification way off. Case is best. I hope it’s cheap!

[Ron P]

And on top also some pitting to be seen between de caseback edge and midcase. So probably in the actual seating of the gasket also rustdents, meaning it will never be reliable watertight.
Stay away from this one, unless it comes for shipping costs only.

[sryukon]

Thanks for all your comments the watch is at a local jewelry shop that does not typically sell watches took it in as it trade for a diamond ring I can actually stop and look at it and take more pictures they’re asking 8000?


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[Dan S]

If they are asking only $8000 USD then they know the watch has serious problems. Everyone has access to google these days.

[Ron P]

Originally Posted by Dan S

If they are asking only $8000 USD then they know the watch has serious problems. Everyone has access to google these days.

Offer the 9000 under the condition they have it given a full service and all that is needed by an official Rolex Ad of even better RSC.
In that you can be assured all fake parts are either replaced and watch is 100% oke, genuine and fully functional. If they decline or want to sent it to a local watchmaker, walk away.
Do not make all the potential issues your problem.

[swaini3]

I'd look for a better watch...

[sryukon]

Yeah the shop says it was just service but I don’t believe by a certified Rolex service center and they didn’t really know the model number when I asked so they didn’t seem to know much about the watch she didn’t seem to really care if they sold it or not I’ve said I would consider 6500 to 7 didn’t get a response because I wasn’t actually making the offer


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[Tom1675]

Need to see the movement as I think the plots have the hue of moisture at some point. Case is OK still pretty thick but the top right lug seems to be a bit short and soft(er).

Where did you get 1979? The bracelet suggests much earlier and I cant read the serial.

Definite refinished dial, but for 8K maybe you can source a period correct one (handstack too) and still be in for a reasonable price. That said, its a project and unless you know what you're doing...

[sryukon]

Originally Posted by Tom1675

Need to see the movement as I think the plots have the hue of moisture at some point. Case is OK still pretty thick but the top right lug seems to be a bit short and soft(er).



Where did you get 1979? The bracelet suggests much earlier and I cant read the serial.



Definite refinished dial, but for 8K maybe you can source a period correct one (handstack too) and still be in for a reasonable price. That said, its a project and unless you know what you're doing...

The band is petty beat and does not match the watch year Ser#517XXXX I dont have more pics of the bracelet but its a Oyster and links have dents everywhere

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by sryukon

The band is petty beat and does not match the watch year Ser#517XXXX I dont have more pics of the bracelet but its a Oyster and links have dents everywhere

This confirms @kingface66's observation. The C&I US-made bracelet is less desirable, and worth at most $1k IMO.

Originally Posted by sryukon

I did go back and check the date set and it is NOT quick set. But the date does change right at 12 and winding seems pretty smooth

Yes, this was just an additional observation. The order of the hand-set already proved that it was a 1675.

[Andad]

Pass.

Way too many issues.

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by Andad

Pass.

Way too many issues.

Agree. There are literally thousands of better examples from trusted dealers. Sure, you'll pay more, but you'll get what you pay for.

I'd save my pennies until I can get a decent one.

[Dan S]

The lug holes appear to be badly cratered. The watch is definitely a project, and it will probably never be a great piece. Still if you don't mind service parts, you can send it to an RSC, and if you get it for a good price it could be a nice wearer. Do you have photos of the clasp? From the OP photos, I didn't realize there was a bracelet. That adds value, how much depends on whether it's US or Swiss.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by Dan S

The lug holes appear to be badly cratered. The watch is definitely a project, and it will probably never be a great piece. Still if you don't mind service parts, you can send it to an RSC, and if you get it for a good price it could be a nice wearer. Do you have photos of the clasp? From the OP photos, I didn't realize there was a bracelet. That adds value, how much depends on whether it's US or Swiss.

The rivets on the bracelet appear to have holes, so that would make it a US C&I

[sryukon]

So If it was sent to Rolex for service and except a service dial , Hand set ,New crystal and bracelet I wonder a good ball park cost? VS find period correct Dial ,Hand set ,Band and then sent to certified Rolex service center for installation and service

[swish77]

Originally Posted by sryukon

So If it was sent to Rolex for service and except a service dial , Hand set ,New crystal and bracelet I wonder a good ball park cost? VS find period correct Dial ,Hand set ,Band and then sent to certified Rolex service center for installation and service

This watch is a nightmare. Why would you want to subject yourself to a massive project like this when even the end result won’t be good?

So many better options out there if you’re in the market for an old GMT.