Am I Dreaming..

[1675-David]

Or did I just see a matt dialed 1675 offered at 38 850 USD

[Dan S]

Is it at least a radial dial?

[ExplorerI]

Tropical watch had a red sub at 43k. I was hoping to see the vintage market crash but no such luck.

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by ExplorerI

Tropical watch had a red sub at 43k. I was hoping to see the vintage market crash but no such luck.

That was a meters-first dial. Different story altogether from a "standard" feet-first MK IV Red. Similar differential to a gilt 5513 vs a non-gilt.

[Styles Bitchley]

Originally Posted by zapokee

That was a meters-first dial. Different story altogether from a "standard" feet-first MK IV Red. Similar differential to a gilt 5513 vs a non-gilt.

Speaking of meters first 1680s, did everyone see that gold one Jacek had? Never even knew they existed. Lasted about a day with an ask of $107k. Wild stuff.

https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/uwtp

[indianmachine]

Originally Posted by zapokee

That was a meters-first dial. Different story altogether from a "standard" feet-first MK IV Red. Similar differential to a gilt 5513 vs a non-gilt.

Yup and a MK1 too, which is even less common.

[1675-David]

Very nice watch from 1967 appears unpolished, bog standard Mk 1 dial which is not perfect, nice fuchsia insert, it's over a HQ, but close to 40K?

[swish77]

I'd rather have this one, and then take the $15K difference and fly first-class, roundtrip for two to Geneva.

https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/lpft

HQ Milton is all over the place with pricing, especially with vintage since Jacek left.

[springer]

Originally Posted by swish77

I'd rather have this one, and then take the $15K difference and fly first-class, roundtrip for two to Geneva.

https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/lpft

HQ Milton is all over the place with pricing, especially with vintage since Jacek left.

Aaron, check those pics again. Those re-cut lugs are terrible.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by springer

Aaron, check those pics again. Those re-cut lugs are terrible.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by springer

Aaron, check those pics again. Those re-cut lugs are terrible.

Not saying the case is great. My point was that it’s a whopping $15K less than the HQ Milton example, which is way overpriced, IMHO.

[springer]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

Or did I just see a matt dialed 1675 offered at 38 850 USD

I didn't see the link - or maybe there isn't a link.

Is $38,000 too high? I am sure there was something special about the watch - like, maybe it was a set. Or maybe a very well preserved original, or a radial dial version. . . and so on, and so on.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by springer

I didn't see the link - or maybe there isn't a link.

Is $38,000 too high? I am sure there was something special about the watch - like, maybe it was a set. Or maybe a very well preserved original, or a radial dial version. . . and so on, and so on.

Here is the link, It's a beautiful watch without a doubt and ticks all the boxes for me, gorgeous case, lovely fuchsia insert and a very nice 7206 bracelet. HQ provides very hi-resolution images that can zoom way in to loupe+ magnification and here we can see some flaws on the dial that probably are not noticeable on the wrist, the hands are not a great match either. That being said, if I were interested I'd definitely be looking at the dial with a loupe as I do with all watches I buy. I think it's a very nice watch well presented with lots of images etc It's just I took a double take when I saw the price, at this level I would expect everything to be perfect. Must be getting old

https://hqmilton.com/products/1967-u...a-bezel-insert

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

Here is the link, It's a beautiful watch without a doubt and ticks all the boxes for me, gorgeous case, lovely fuchsia insert and a very nice 7206 bracelet.
https://hqmilton.com/products/1967-u...a-bezel-insert

I think the switch from gilt to non-gilt was around '66-'67, so that must be a super-early non-gilt dial (assuming it's the original one...).

The slight difference in hue between the hands and the markers might bug me...

[1675-David]

it's a bit of a mixed bag what turns ut from that era, big hand, small hand, matt, gilt, Mk 0, Mk1, Mk1.5 dials, there was a lot going on at that time in what appears to be a fairly unstructured approach to product development! The difference between the hands and the dial would bug me enough not to part with the best part of 40K in any case.

[springer]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

it's a bit of a mixed bag what turns ut from that era, big hand, small hand, matt, gilt, Mk 0, Mk1, Mk1.5 dials, there was a lot going on at that time in what appears to be a fairly unstructured approach to product development! The difference between the hands and the dial would bug me enough not to part with the best part of 40K in any case.

From my experience, a GMT 1675 with a 1.6 million serial number would still have the small 24-hour hand. As far as being unpolished, there is significant wear marks on the case between the lugs. The lug chamfers do not appear to be original - no nicks, scratches or significant marks which are inconsistent for a 56-year-old watch and wear marks elsewhere on the watch. The sides of the case are very clean also. Based on the photos, It does not appear unpolished in my opinion.

[1watch]

I would expect it to have a small gmt hand from factory as well with that SN. Regarding the case, it does look possibly unpolished. The resolution isn’t clear enough to see if there is expected actual wear on the case side and chamfers to my eyes, but the angle of chamfers and satin finish appear original based on the pics shown as do the crown guards.


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[1675-David]

Originally Posted by 1watch

The resolution isn’t clear enough to see if there is expected actual wear on the case side and chamfers to my eyes, but the angle of chamfers and satin finish appear original based on the pics shown as do the crown guards.


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mouse over gives you a close up image, click on the images I move to a full screen gallery close up, click again and you are extremely close like macro close.The dial shots are really cool!!

p.s. I'm at my desktop, don't know how this works on a phone.

I'm not sure I agree with John and Mr. Chamfers about the case being polished but I think the consensus is that this watch is over priced?

[BrazenC5]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

I'm not sure I agree with John and Mr. Chamfers about the case being polished but I think the consensus is that this watch is over priced?

Yes, agree thats a bonkers price. Must be overreaching on the premium of "unpolished" + fuchsia insert.

Im going to throw out a prediction that'll sit for a while and then have a slash through the price with a sale price next to it.

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[MrChamfers]

I don't see how that gmt is unpolished with the lug holes so close to the edge.
Maybe that was a manufacturing error, but it would keep me from buying it.
Well, plus I don't have 40k for a watch.

[springer]

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

I don't see how that gmt is unpolished with the lug holes so close to the edge.
Maybe that was a manufacturing error, but it would keep me from buying it.
Well, plus I don't have 40k for a watch.

You are correct about the lug holes being very close to the chamfers which you do not normally see in factory original, unpolished watches.

Saying that this watch is unpolished reminds about his watch that he claimed had an excellent dial in another thread even though it was severely damaged.

[1watch]

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

I don't see how that gmt is unpolished with the lug holes so close to the edge.
Maybe that was a manufacturing error, but it would keep me from buying it.
Well, plus I don't have 40k for a watch.

Thanks for the tip @1675-David.

@MrChamfers - You really can't use the lug hole to chamfer distance as a reliable indicator to assess case originality during the gilt and early matte era. These cases were still hand finished and the tolerances not as precise as later matte examples. After viewing macro pics on my MacBook, I would say from the pics supplied the claim of the case being unpolished is accurate. You see random and non-surface marks on the case sides and chamfers and wear on the lug tops and tips. I also see a consistent factory satin graining angle and depth on the lugs. The crown guards also appear to have the expected chamfer edge extending from the lugs and the correct top facet that would appear to properly line up with the outer edge of the crown knurling when the crown is screwed down fully. This guard and chamfer style is similar to those seen on late gilt examples, that changed a bit in early ‘70’s matte examples to showing a less defined and blunt tip and the top crown guard facet positioned a bit closer to the case.

This is my opinion based on the pics without seeing in person to inspect a few other aspects. I have no dog in the fight, as I have not purchased from this particular seller in the past.

[swaini3]

Since its mentioned, i think they did a great job with the macros / zoom in option. I dont think any other dealers use something like this. Agree, crazy price.

[77T]

Something to consider about the lugholes revealing the tip of the springbar is that wrong springbars are being used. The lugshots appear to show lugs with comparable thickness to the era in which the case was produced.


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[indianmachine]

Curious to get the group's thoughts - does this one look unpolished to you?

https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/8chb

[Tom1675]

Originally Posted by indianmachine

Curious to get the group's thoughts - does this one look unpolished to you?

https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/8chb

Polished. In great shape though.

[1watch]

Originally Posted by Tom1675

Polished. In great shape though.

Agree


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[indianmachine]

Originally Posted by 1watch

Agree


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Thank you for your comments.

[springer]

Originally Posted by indianmachine

Curious to get the group's thoughts - does this one look unpolished to you?

https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/8chb

For me, this watch does not appear to be "unpolished" but nicely refinished/restored except there is something odd about the stainless steel bezel - depicted in the photo below. The bezel cut-outs appear to be two different sizes. The ones on the left side of the bezel appear to have the normal scallop cuts while the ones on the right side appear shorter like those on service inserts. That discrepancy is something that I haven't seen before.

[lupus66]

saw a 59k€ 5513 1970 mf w tropical dial @ bulang