ADs and endless false hope?

[rlxdjsub]

When seeking out a highly desired piece at an AD such as one of the SS sport models, would SAs give false hope if they have no intention of ever allocating you the watch? Meaning would they even tell you they will try to get you the watch at some point if they don't mean it or don't think they will able to? Does it mean anything if they tell you they will keep you in mind and try or is it just a standard thing to say regardless of if they will every allocate you the piece? Do you folks have any experiences with ADs where they continue to give you "hope" but never end up coming through year after year? Is this common? Are ADs trained to give this kind of "false hope?" Maybe I'm naive but why would they lie and give hope instead of just saying it won't be possible? Are there no rules/ethics against lying? I've seen posts where others have said their ADs have told them either the watch they want is "impossible" to get or that they don't do waitlists or the wait will be some ridiculous amount of time (5+ years, etc.) so compared to those responses from ADs this sounded better to me but curious to hear feedback if it's just as meaningless.

[dmash]

I’d offer two pieces of advice:

If they quote you 3+ years, find another dealer, as that actually means ‘I’m not considering you’.

If you want a Daytona without an extensive purchase history, wake up out of reality.

[SS Oyster]

Depends on the SA and the AD. I would think most would give you a realistic view on outlook for the piece you want. Most just say it's not possible, or extensive wait.

[beshannon]

Welcome to the forum

My advice would be to focus on other brands if you are truly interested in watches.

[Mystro]

[Harry-57]

As said above. Depends on the AD and the SA.

My AD has always talked straight. If I can't get on a list they tell me. If I'm on a list I will get the watch. If they quote a time scale the watch has always arrived sooner. They don't always quote a time scale. When they talk about policy, they talk about manager's policy, owner's policy, store policy, they don't hide behind any mythical "Rolex policies".

Maybe my AD is a particularly good and rare example. There will always be variability, but if my AD's conduct is in a minority the picture looks rather bleak. I expect it's more to do with clicking with the right person and getting to know people. Blind luck may also occasionally factor in. It can happen.

[Jack T]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

When seeking out a highly desired piece at an AD such as one of the SS sport models, would SAs give false hope if they have no intention of ever allocating you the watch? Meaning would they even tell you they will try to get you the watch at some point if they don't mean it or don't think they will able to? Does it mean anything if they tell you they will keep you in mind and try or is it just a standard thing to say regardless of if they will every allocate you the piece? Do you folks have any experiences with ADs where they continue to give you "hope" but never end up coming through year after year? Is this common? Are ADs trained to give this kind of "false hope?" Maybe I'm naive but why would they lie and give hope instead of just saying it won't be possible? Are there no rules/ethics against lying? I've seen posts where others have said their ADs have told them either the watch they want is "impossible" to get or that they don't do waitlists or the wait will be some ridiculous amount of time (5+ years, etc.) so compared to those responses from ADs this sounded better to me but curious to hear feedback if it's just as meaningless.

The OP has posed seven of the most nonsensical questions I can imagine.

Here’s question #8- will these stupid posts never end??

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by Jack T

The OP has posed seven of the most nonsensical questions I can imagine.

Here’s question #8- will these stupid posts never end??

You’re wrong - the OP asked 8 question

[Jack T]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

You’re wrong - the OP asked 8 question

If you count the title of the thread, correct.

[HideMyWalletPlease]

You aren’t doing the AD any favors by asking for something he doesn’t have or something that trades 3x retail. Your opportunity to start building some purchase history would open up when some of the models become a little bit more available and they are trading closer to retail or maybe even a little bit under retail. Those will be the models that you will be able to buy in order to build up some history. As you are buying these models, you can communicate with your SA, “hey this great but I would like to get a GMT next”. Don’t even ask for a stainless Daytona because you’re not a stainless Daytona customer yet.

Another way to go, is if they really like you and think that you’re a genuine collector you might be able to start off by getting a sub or even a blue GMT. That might take a little bit of patience and follow up.

[rmwill]

Not as long as we have watch investors.

Originally Posted by Jack T

The OP has posed seven of the most nonsensical questions I can imagine.

Here’s question #8- will these stupid posts never end??

[Watchesnguitars]

Mine has always been upfront and honest… Yes sometimes it took a while almost 9 months for a DJ but they were always responsive whenever asked for an update.


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[SLWoodster]

Yes SA's give false hope. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes unintentionally. Lots of SAs have expressed frustration at not having the stock that customers want. You'll often see them hiding behind empty cases avoiding customers. LOL.

But most don't really have much control. Management and ownership does. More of the ADs review client's entire purchase history before allocating certain pieces.

You need to accept that there are just too many blokes trying to buy Rolexes and you're just another chump like us.

Go grey or wait your turn or keep on buying anything else in the store and wait your turn.

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

When seeking out a highly desired piece at an AD such as one of the SS sport models, would SAs give false hope if they have no intention of ever allocating you the watch? Meaning would they even tell you they will try to get you the watch at some point if they don't mean it or don't think they will able to? Does it mean anything if they tell you they will keep you in mind and try or is it just a standard thing to say regardless of if they will every allocate you the piece? Do you folks have any experiences with ADs where they continue to give you "hope" but never end up coming through year after year? Is this common? Are ADs trained to give this kind of "false hope?" Maybe I'm naive but why would they lie and give hope instead of just saying it won't be possible? Are there no rules/ethics against lying? I've seen posts where others have said their ADs have told them either the watch they want is "impossible" to get or that they don't do waitlists or the wait will be some ridiculous amount of time (5+ years, etc.) so compared to those responses from ADs this sounded better to me but curious to hear feedback if it's just as meaningless.

[HideMyWalletPlease]

1. What are you trying to get?
2. What year did you buy your first piece from AD
3. What is your total spend to date?

[rlxdjsub]

Originally Posted by HideMyWalletPlease

1. What are you trying to get?
2. What year did you buy your first piece from AD
3. What is your total spend to date?

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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[Cigars&Watches]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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I don't see a Daytona or SD happening and the others will be really tough.. I think you have to compare yourself to the other hundreds of people who want the same model. Although spend is not the only factor at play it is an important one especially for the pieces you want.

Having said this I would keep trying if you get good vibes from your AD and branch out to other AD's if possible and see how they respond. Allocation varies from AD to AD.

Personally, my AD has always been up front and fair with me, always tells me to be patient and has not let me down.

Keep us posted and best of luck!!

[HideMyWalletPlease]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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So my gut reaction and my honest opinion is that you got in too late. For example back in 2018 when you could still buy PM professional models, I bought a yellow gold Daytona that was in stock. I also bought a yellow gold sub that was in stock. Then they started allocating me any stainless piece I want it as it came in. Then after that I got the Pepsi GMT. Then finally the Daytona. I didn’t have to buy any garbage I didn’t want. Everything that I bought it was really cool.

The problem you have right now is that there’s nothing available to buy to create a spend history which means those really hard to get models that you listed are going to be tough for you to get. You could simply go gray and get exactly what you want. If you’re interested in playing A.D. games. I think most of what you have on your list is going to be tough to get. You might have better luck trying to get a sub. Another strategy would be asking for a day date. If you can get them to get you a DD, that might make you on your way to VIP status at the A.D. and then that would open the door for you to ask for something that you have on that list. I think they would pay a lot more attention to you if you came in asking for a day date instead of coming in there and saying hey can I have a stainless steel Daytona or left-handed GMT that’s made in very small numbers.

[Cauhauna]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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i nearly spit out my beer at this list; i had to check twice to see if you were really the OP, or if someone was trolling

LOL

Edit: all jokes aside, imagine you are the proprietor. You get 3 blue dwellers per year, and fewer than ten white daytonas. Would you really sell to someone who has only spent 10 with you that isn’t a personal friend? Keep in mind you have customers that want these pieces that spent 50 last year.

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Cauhauna

i nearly spit out my beer at this list; i had to check twice to see if you were really the OP, or if someone was trolling

LOL

Honestly OP might be trolling


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[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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Not gonna happen.
Sorry.

In your position, I’d go grey market, or pick another brand

[WristWatchWonders]

I was fortunate to start buying with the local AD (only one in my area) prior to the craziness. I've purchased a 126234, 214270 (39 mm), 116503 within the past three years. I also picked-up a Blue Bay 58 on a whim (love that watch!) and had my 14060M serviced.

During that time, I've done all my Christmas, birthday, anniversary, etc. shopping with the AD. The purchases are spread-out through the year so I can go in periodically and buy something, not just shoot the breeze. This helped me give gentle reminders while building a purchase history. I also didn't need to buy crap I didn't want.

The SA has always been straight-up. Patience, and time at the AD, go a long way.

[amh]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

When seeking out a highly desired piece at an AD such as one of the SS sport models, would SAs give false hope if they have no intention of ever allocating you the watch? Meaning would they even tell you they will try to get you the watch at some point if they don't mean it or don't think they will able to? Does it mean anything if they tell you they will keep you in mind and try or is it just a standard thing to say regardless of if they will every allocate you the piece? Do you folks have any experiences with ADs where they continue to give you "hope" but never end up coming through year after year? Is this common? Are ADs trained to give this kind of "false hope?" Maybe I'm naive but why would they lie and give hope instead of just saying it won't be possible? Are there no rules/ethics against lying? I've seen posts where others have said their ADs have told them either the watch they want is "impossible" to get or that they don't do waitlists or the wait will be some ridiculous amount of time (5+ years, etc.) so compared to those responses from ADs this sounded better to me but curious to hear feedback if it's just as meaningless.

My AD(s) are all exactly like that. "You should have it by Thanksgiving" (ie. 6 months) is what I hear every time I visit. They have no intention of selling me anything. There are no lists, they won't say it but spending is the only way to get an SS. I figure 50k per AD. Focusing that spend on one location is a challenge because they don't really have anything to buy in the first place, they've never even whipped out a DJ and asked "Would your wife like this?" Everything they say is an act.

The "hot" models are hot because they have much to offer:
- Great basic design
- Durable, very water resistant
- Good value (relatively speaking, 10k is still a lot of money - but it's not 50k)
- A little shiny but not blingy

Most men would want at least one of those 'hot' models, the OP isn't unique or delusional.

[noshake]

Originally Posted by WristWatchWonders

I was fortunate to start buying with the local AD (only one in my area) prior to the craziness. I've purchased a 126234, 214270 (39 mm), 116503 within the past three years. I also picked-up a Blue Bay 58 on a whim (love that watch!) and had my 14060M serviced.



During that time, I've done all my Christmas, birthday, anniversary, etc. shopping with the AD. The purchases are spread-out through the year so I can go in periodically and buy something, not just shoot the breeze. This helped me give gentle reminders while building a purchase history. I also didn't need to buy crap I didn't want.



The SA has always been straight-up. Patience, and time at the AD, go a long way.

Solid advice.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

If the AD doesn't know you, that wish list probably qualifies you as a speculator/flipper. Not that I'm a mind reader, but look at it from their direction.

[Driver8]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

If the AD doesn't know you, that wish list probably qualifies you as a speculator/flipper. Not that I'm a mind reader, but look at it from their direction.

Totally agree.

If I find it hard to believe that the OP just happens, purely by chance of course(!), to only really like all the very hottest models, then I'd say it's pretty likely that an AD would think the same.

[whiskyrolex]

Originally Posted by Driver8

Totally agree.

If I find it hard to believe that the OP just happens, purely by chance of course(!), to only really like all the very hottest models, then I'd say it's pretty likely that an AD would think the same.

+1

That list reeks of a flipper and if everyone here says that them the AD probably saw it from a mile away.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

Well then, good night, and good luck.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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I see, you're just like every other neophyte in the game. Sure they're going to want to increase your bank account. Seems really probable, not.

[stevestil]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are not getting any pieces you have mentioned above with your most recent purchase being 4 years ago and 10k spend history.


in your AD’s eyes you’re barely a customer.

you can get mad at me or take this comment the wrong way, but i’m just being honest. not trying to be a jerk.

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[CoolCat#7208]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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Not to give you false hope, but it can happen.

However, the chances of this panning out the way you want it to is *highly* unlikely.

The SA/AD has an opportunity to essentially hand someone free money. They are not dumb and they see the potential, they are very aware of what goes on on the grey market (whether or not some of them partake in underhand things is neither here nor there)
There is a list of a thousand people waiting to accept this free money, so they have to have a reason to pick you over everyone else. That list will include high-profile (spend) clients who get offered watches all the time, and also others such as people with special occasions/reasons to want the watch.
If you just want it, that's not a valid reason nowadays.