Thread on Dropping Prices

[SeattlePNWguy]

Hi all - First, as a long-time reader, occasional poster, just want to say that I appreciate the time everyone spends providing useful commentary on the boards.

Second, there was a recent thread that discussed the price drops we're seeing in the grey market. I can't find it on the general discussion board anymore. Was it removed by the moderators for some reason? If so, I'd love an explanation for why one of the most helpful, informative threads I've read in a long time on here was expunged. Forgive me if I'm just not seeing the thread for some reason, and it remains active.

Thanks all!

[JadeRaven]

Probably deleted or moved bc of lots of repeat posts on the subject.

[AbeFroman]

It was removed by the mods

[herts9]

Watches should be about enjoyment of the capabilities, aesthetics, technology, engineering, history and nuance between models.

Not market speculation and financials.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by herts9

Watches should be about enjoyment of the capabilities, aesthetics, technology, engineering, history and nuance between models.

Not market speculation and financials.

All the things happening around us in the world no matter where you live is impacting luxury goods of all kinds. I thought the thread was very constructive and there was some great discussion/information in it. Like it or not current situations are going to be discussed along with the watches. I don't see what the big deal is in that.

[dmash]

I was curious as well as to what rule was broken. It was informative about actual market prices and relaying actual prices, not speculating about future values. Gave the consumer a more accurate depiction of the current market scenario revolving around Rolex, not simply an asking price of a dealer which it will never sell for.

[Porkbelli]

Originally Posted by dmash

I was curious as well as to what rule was broken. It was informative about market and relaying actual prices, not speculating about future values.

Agree

[huncho]

Originally Posted by dmash

I was curious as well as to what rule was broken. It was informative about actual market prices and relaying actual prices, not speculating about future values. Gave the consumer a more accurate depiction of the current market scenario revolving around Rolex, not simply an asking price of a dealer which it will never sell for.

it's a shame it was closed. it was an interesting discussion on economics/global markets in general and not just watch prices, besides a few people making nasty comments about some trusted sellers. maybe it can be reopened with some kind of warning

[dmash]

Originally Posted by huncho

it's a shame it was closed. it was an interesting discussion on economics/global markets in general and not just watch prices, besides a few people making nasty comments about some trusted sellers

Yeah I definitely enjoyed some market (all of them) discussion with yourself and others. Perhaps with mods permission we can get another one going? I did enjoy that banter with other members and feel a lot of others did as well.

Somebody made nasty comments though? I must have missed them

[JWillard]

Originally Posted by dmash

Yeah I definitely enjoyed some market (all of them) discussion with yourself and others. Perhaps with mods permission we can get another one going? I did enjoy that banter with other members and feel a lot of others did as well.

Somebody made nasty comments though? I must have missed them

Any thread will have a nasty comment or two but not sure why those who disagree cant just move on to another thread and let those who want to have a conversation have one. I do miss all China will save everything comments.

[Tools]

That thread devolved into advertising/soliciting, both for watches for sale elsewhere, and soliciting for other forums and sites. It also became argumentative and was riddled with Forum bashing.

A few with an agenda screwed the pooch for everybody

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by JWillard

Any thread will have a nasty comment or two but not sure why those who disagree cant just move on to another thread and let those who want to have a conversation have one.

At face value that is a logical and fair comment.

Unfortunately, there are so many threads in and around this topic, usually saying the same things and populated by the same broken record postings, that it becomes tedious even for the more liberal minded visitor to wade through.

They also tend to sail close to AUP in some cases and and it could be argued IMO that the mods are sometimes over tolerant, although these threads usually reach the same end/kill point.

[Tools]

Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I just did a quick search on dropping prices and see no fewer than a dozen threads on the subject.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by Tools

Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I just did a quick search on dropping prices and see no fewer than a dozen threads on the subject.

It was deleted early this AM. It was close to 20 pages long and title included ‘prices slump’. I’ll PM you a direct link.

[johnwigan]

This board is funded by flipper/grey dealers so posts about falling prices are deleted/moved/locked. Falling prices are great for watch enthusiasts but bad for grey dealers. Therefore, those threads are disappeared. Use you own brain.and you will be ok. What is happening is clear.

[AbeFroman]

Originally Posted by Tools

Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I just did a quick search on dropping prices and see no fewer than a dozen threads on the subject.

This thread.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=862189

[Bobcat Sig]

Originally Posted by dmash

I was curious as well as to what rule was broken. It was informative about actual market prices and relaying actual prices, not speculating about future values. Gave the consumer a more accurate depiction of the current market scenario revolving around Rolex, not simply an asking price of a dealer which it will never sell for.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by GolfJunkie

I enjoyed reading it as well and noticed it was gone from the General Rolex Discussion forum this morning.

My guess is it was removed because some of the forums "Trusted Sellers" were brought into the conversation. Doesn't make it right or wrong but I think the Mods are just trying to protect any certain individual or business from being discussed directly.

It's totally agreeable to protect the forum's livelihood. But if it jeopardizes the integrity of the forum and the discussion therein; it's an issue.

Ideally, pruning offending messages is a better strategy.

In the end, markets fluctuate and it's well within the bounds for us to discuss it here on TRF.

Originally Posted by huncho

it's a shame it was closed. it was an interesting discussion on economics/global markets in general and not just watch prices, besides a few people making nasty comments about some trusted sellers. maybe it can be reopened with some kind of warning

Agreed. Why not prune the offending messages versus nuking the whole thread?

I found the wider discussion of Veblen Goods and the related economics fascinating.

Originally Posted by AbeFroman

This thread.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=862189

That's the one.

[MiloDiThernan]

Originally Posted by Tools

Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I just did a quick search on dropping prices and see no fewer than a dozen threads on the subject.

It’s happening…

That was the name of the thread.

You look long established here. 43,000+ posts.

Funny you missed it.

[AbeFroman]

Originally Posted by MiloDiThernan

It’s happening…

That was the name of the thread.

You look long established here. 43,000+ posts.

Funny you missed it.

That’s not the correct thread from this morning. That one was a few weeks ago.

[GolfJunkie]

Originally Posted by Tools

Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I just did a quick search on dropping prices and see no fewer than a dozen threads on the subject.

Larry, I truly appreciate your knowledge and contribution to the forums but you can't be completely naïve to the specific thread that is being discussed here.

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by dmash

I was curious as well as to what rule was broken. It was informative about actual market prices and relaying actual prices, not speculating about future values. Gave the consumer a more accurate depiction of the current market scenario revolving around Rolex, not simply an asking price of a dealer which it will never sell for.

This is why i love to post about prices of watches especially the hot one like panda. So that people who are interested knows what price to look for and not depend on big site dealers which we all know are very inflated. Imagine if you selling a watch to them and you were surprised you got lowballed but they selling for exorbitant amount in their online site, you will be shocked.

[GolfJunkie]

I enjoyed reading it as well and noticed it was gone from the General Rolex Discussion forum this morning.

My guess is it was removed because some of the forums "Trusted Sellers" were brought into the conversation. Doesn't make it right or wrong but I think the Mods are just trying to protect any certain individual or business from being discussed directly.

[Porkbelli]

Originally Posted by GolfJunkie

My guess is it was removed because some of the forums "Trusted Sellers" were brought into the conversation. Doesn't make it right or wrong but I think the Mods are just trying to protect any certain individual or business being discussed directly.

That's my suspicion.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by GolfJunkie

I enjoyed reading it as well and noticed it was gone from the General Rolex Discussion forum this morning.

My guess is it was removed because some of the forums "Trusted Sellers" were brought into the conversation. Doesn't make it right or wrong but I think the Mods are just trying to protect any certain individual or business from being discussed directly.

Was anybody talking negative about them aside from just the values being absurdly high in relation to rest of the market? I’m pretty sure TRF mods aren’t trying to censor a discussion like that, as it would be akin to letting somebody pay TRF to not allow any conversation about their business model. That’s not really an open forum and TRF has never been like that in my experience, they actually encourage discussion as long as it’s respectful.

Perhaps somebody got personal? Regardless, I wish they simply deleted the sole offenders post instead of the entire thread.

[GolfJunkie]

Originally Posted by dmash

Was anybody talking negative about them aside from just the values being absurdly high in relation to rest of the market? I’m pretty sure TRF mods aren’t trying to censor a discussion like that, as it would be akin to letting somebody pay TRF to not allow any conversation about their business model. That’s not really an open forum and TRF has never been like that in my experience, they actually encourage discussion as long as it’s respectful.

Perhaps somebody got personal? Regardless, I wish they simply deleted the sole offenders post instead of the entire thread.

No idea on the reasoning and I can't speak on behalf of the Mods on why that thread was closed.

But I've noticed over the last month or so, that if any specific dealer gets brought up in a thread discussing price, that thread gets shut down rather quickly. Who knows though...?

[NeoDough]

Originally Posted by GolfJunkie

I enjoyed reading it as well and noticed it was gone from the General Rolex Discussion forum this morning.

My guess is it was removed because some of the forums "Trusted Sellers" were brought into the conversation. Doesn't make it right or wrong but I think the Mods are just trying to protect any certain individual or business from being discussed directly.

It's not my board, but in my opinion if that were the case, it could have been handled by editing the particular posts, not nuking the entire conversation, which was very interesting and helpful.

[JWillard]

Cant talk about falling prices, not sure what the big deal is, people should know if they are getting a deal or over paying for a watch but just my view on the matter. I notice a pledge member complained then the thread vanish.

[temporarychicken]

I don't think it's the subject matter per se, rather that arguments were taking place within specific threads.

Pricing and availability can be contentious topics for some, sadly....

[awu]

I was wondering where it went, I enjoy the posts about pricing as do many others as it's one of the few threads that get to 15+ pages.

[thekman]

Will have to respectfully disagree about soliciting. The thread for the most past was very constructive and most people were having a rather civil discussion. No one was soliciting for sales elsewhere because simply the other platform that was mentioned was free platform where no one would benefit from referring another member there. It was just being used as an example of how prices were very different between TRF and the "real world". I appreciate the mods time and effort but having one thread where people discuss the market of an item they pay thousands of dollars for does not feel like a lot to ask for.