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atlantarolexj · 24 July 2009, 04:36 AM

I found this watch in a lot of storage items in atlanta. I have had afew shops tell me its authentic but the crystal seems to have been replaced (Cyclops removed). The bands have 78760 on them with the numbers 750 on the end closes to closure. I cant seem to find a serial in between the lugs but it is one inside the back of it....??? Also I notice that these around here has the "Swiss Made" instaed of the "Swiss -T<25" that is listed on mine.
If its a replica t has to be one of the nicest that I have seen, especially when the entire lot only cost me $300.00!!!

However, I have heard that some earlier models of Rolex have had this instead of the "between lug" numbers. I am not an expert but was interested in knowing more on this piece.

valentine · 24 July 2009, 04:41 AM

we need photos, man! take some close ups of the dial.

atlantarolexj · 24 July 2009, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by valentine

we need photos, man! take some close ups of the dial.

Here's more pics man! I tried to take them as clear as i could!

vitix · 24 July 2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by atlantarolexj

Here's more pics man! I tried to take them as clear as i could!

here is the movement

jackoo · 24 July 2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by vitix

here is the movement

i call bs look at your secound set of pictures the end links are totally different from the "movement pic" your showing the movement
look the watch is a fake sorry man
plus the pic "you shot" is from oysterworld

atlantarolexj · 24 July 2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jackoo

i call bs look at your secound set of pictures the end links are totally different from the "movement pic" your showing the movement
look the watch is a fake sorry man
plus the pic "you shot" is from oysterworld

These are not my pics guy! I think you are mixing them up. The watch however is not that serious to me.

I have a lot more than that to be concerned with.

However I did see this not to argue:
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...ht=explorer+II

Check his out!! I am not arguing the authenticity of the piece....that is why the thread was started because I felt it was a copy! Please read the topic start carefully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vitix · 24 July 2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jackoo

i call bs look at your secound set of pictures the end links are totally different from the "movement pic" your showing the movement
look the watch is a fake sorry man
plus the pic "you shot" is from oysterworld

I never said i shoot this picture, i look over the onternet and post it for comparison, i dont own a Explorer --

valentine · 24 July 2009, 04:49 AM

need a closer photo of the dial. does the hour hand "jump" when adjusting the time?

atlantarolexj · 24 July 2009, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by valentine

need a closer photo of the dial. does the hour hand "jump" when adjusting the time?

I had one guy to tell me that feature was added after the initial Explorer II. It does however move hourly.

valentine · 24 July 2009, 04:50 AM

first...it has a sub clasp...thats odd...no cyclops..but they are easy to remove and some prefer it that way. the only thing i can see from the photos is that the hour marker surrounds and hands look like they are grey..not black...which is a pretty big giveaway on the fakes Ive seen of this model.

valentine · 24 July 2009, 04:57 AM

handstack is off..but Im not an expert on the early explorer II's...but the hour hand should be below the red 24 hour hand...

atlantarolexj · 24 July 2009, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by valentine

handstack is off..but Im not an expert on the early explorer II's...but the hour hand should be below the red 24 hour hand...

Thanks! All info is a big help!!

Rolesor · 24 July 2009, 04:59 AM

I'm no expert but is the stacking order of the hands correct? I think the hour hand should be first then the GMT hand and it appears to be the opposite?

Any one else know?

Rolesor · 24 July 2009, 05:00 AM

there ya go! some one got there before me haha

Ed Rooney · 24 July 2009, 05:11 AM

Looks fake to me. The dial is fairly crude. Hour indices are the wrong color. Yuk.

atlantarolexj · 24 July 2009, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

Looks fake to me. The dial is fairly crude. Hour indices are the wrong color. Yuk.

Thanks Mr. Rooney for your brutally honest opinion!

AndersB · 24 July 2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

Hour indices are the wrong color.

Although I think the first ExpIIs with the modern version white dial actually had white gold markers (and hands) which were not painted black.

Alan111 · 24 July 2009, 05:26 AM

Hand stack looks wrong, and the date font looks off. Hour markers should have black surrounds..

Sorry pal it may be fake. Any chance of opening up the case back shots?

The GMT Master · 24 July 2009, 05:31 AM

Date font looks iffy to me, as well as the surrounds for the indicies

diablojota · 24 July 2009, 05:43 AM

The whole watch is a fake. Sorry. Bracelet is way off too. End links are incorrect, the coronet on the clasp (the 0 part of the crown is way too large). Dial is wrong (fonts are off), hands are incorrectly ordered, bezel is off, lugs.

sushisummo · 24 July 2009, 05:53 AM

To be 100% sure just bring it to an AD and you will know for sure. As there are many good fakes out there. Good luck.

Tools · 24 July 2009, 07:26 AM

Yes, it is fake..

The bracelet is fake, the clasp is fake..

Your friend is wrong (well, he's right, but not for this model), all 16570's have the jump hour hand..

As guys have pointed out, the hand stack is wrong..

vitix · 24 July 2009, 08:03 AM

and the date magnifier like this one?

diablojota · 24 July 2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sushisummo

To be 100% sure just bring it to an AD and you will know for sure. As there are many good fakes out there. Good luck.

Why bother? We have all pretty much verified that it is a fake?

[QUOTE=vitix;1277875]and the date magnifier like this one?
And why are you posting a pic from a replica website?

The cyclops is easily removed if you don't like it.

Tools · 24 July 2009, 08:11 AM

Well, it's not so much the magnifier, since it has been removed..

However, the font in the date window is wrong..

Here is what that font should look like..

Then there is the surrounds....and the length of the 24 hr hand...and the rehaut angle.........

....oh heck...it's . fake...!!

vitix · 24 July 2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by diablojota

Why bother? We have all pretty much verified that it is a fake?

And why are you posting a pic from a replica website?

The cyclops is easily removed if you don't like it.

dint realized it was from a replica website, i just looked for Explorer II in google images.

vitix · 24 July 2009, 08:04 AM

you know what, just open the watch and see the movement, post a picture of it and will give you feedback

diablojota · 24 July 2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by vitix

you know what, just open the watch and see the movement, post a picture of it and will give you feedback

Again, why bother? The incorrect ordering of the hands already demonstrates that the movement would not be correct to Rolex, among all the other anomalies...

valentine · 24 July 2009, 11:09 AM

hey askari. sorry its a fake, bud...but if you really like the looks of it..one can be had on the pre-loved market for a great price! if you need help locating one, I'd be happy to help and welcome to the forum!!!!!!!! you dont have to own a rolex to be here! stick around and you'll see we are about more than just material objects. I own a genuine expy II white dial and its a beautiful watch. if you have any questions concering this model...I will help and Im sure the others will as well! you take care, and hope you stick around!

atlantarolexj · 24 July 2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by valentine

hey askari. sorry its a fake, bud...but if you really like the looks of it..one can be had on the pre-loved market for a great price! if you need help locating one, I'd be happy to help and welcome to the forum!!!!!!!! you dont have to own a rolex to be here! stick around and you'll see we are about more than just material objects. I own a genuine expy II white dial and its a beautiful watch. if you have any questions concering this model...I will help and Im sure the others will as well! you take care, and hope you stick around!

You know, I am not too concerned with purchasing a Genuine Rolex,as I know several people who could very easily obtain these for me

. No offense it is IMO a waste of money

. I could own a Timex as far as I am concerned...as long as it keeps time, I'll be just fine.

I would be more than happy to stick around though and discuss as well as learn something of these watches as if I were to come across one...I would sell it with no hesitation!!

24 July 2009, 05:43 AM	#20
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	The whole watch is a fake. Sorry. Bracelet is way off too. End links are incorrect, the coronet on the clasp (the 0 part of the crown is way too large). Dial is wrong (fonts are off), hands are incorrectly ordered, bezel is off, lugs. __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

24 July 2009, 05:53 AM	#21
sushisummo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: JT Location: in a house....:) Watch: Hmmm......? Posts: 1,776	To be 100% sure just bring it to an AD and you will know for sure. As there are many good fakes out there. Good luck. __________________ Collections: -- R-O-L-E-X --AP-ROO -- P-A-N-E-R-A-I -- B-R-E-G-U-E-T -- I-W-C -- B-A-L-L -- O-T-H-E-R-S WISHLIST: Too many to list...... Member #23367

24 July 2009, 07:26 AM	#22
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,499	Yes, it is fake.. The bracelet is fake, the clasp is fake.. Your friend is wrong (well, he's right, but not for this model), all 16570's have the jump hour hand.. As guys have pointed out, the hand stack is wrong.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

24 July 2009, 08:11 AM	#25
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,499	Well, it's not so much the magnifier, since it has been removed.. However, the font in the date window is wrong.. Here is what that font should look like.. Then there is the surrounds....and the length of the 24 hr hand...and the rehaut angle.............oh heck...it's . fake...!! __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

24 July 2009, 04:41 AM	#2
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	we need photos, man! take some close ups of the dial.

24 July 2009, 04:49 AM	#8
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	need a closer photo of the dial. does the hour hand "jump" when adjusting the time?

24 July 2009, 04:50 AM	#10
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	first...it has a sub clasp...thats odd...no cyclops..but they are easy to remove and some prefer it that way. the only thing i can see from the photos is that the hour marker surrounds and hands look like they are grey..not black...which is a pretty big giveaway on the fakes Ive seen of this model.

24 July 2009, 04:57 AM	#11
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	handstack is off..but Im not an expert on the early explorer II's...but the hour hand should be below the red 24 hour hand...

24 July 2009, 04:59 AM	#13
Rolesor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Brandon Location: Toronto, ON Watch: 116234 Posts: 4,150	I'm no expert but is the stacking order of the hands correct? I think the hour hand should be first then the GMT hand and it appears to be the opposite? Any one else know?

24 July 2009, 05:00 AM	#14
Rolesor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Brandon Location: Toronto, ON Watch: 116234 Posts: 4,150	there ya go! some one got there before me haha

24 July 2009, 05:11 AM	#15
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	Looks fake to me. The dial is fairly crude. Hour indices are the wrong color. Yuk.

24 July 2009, 05:26 AM	#18
Alan111 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,605	Hand stack looks wrong, and the date font looks off. Hour markers should have black surrounds.. Sorry pal it may be fake. Any chance of opening up the case back shots?

24 July 2009, 05:31 AM	#19
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	Date font looks iffy to me, as well as the surrounds for the indicies

24 July 2009, 08:03 AM	#23
vitix Banned Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: magneeleVE Location: Usa Watch: magneeleVE Posts: 2,030	and the date magnifier like this one?

24 July 2009, 08:04 AM	#27
vitix Banned Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: magneeleVE Location: Usa Watch: magneeleVE Posts: 2,030	you know what, just open the watch and see the movement, post a picture of it and will give you feedback

24 July 2009, 11:09 AM	#29
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	hey askari. sorry its a fake, bud...but if you really like the looks of it..one can be had on the pre-loved market for a great price! if you need help locating one, I'd be happy to help and welcome to the forum!!!!!!!! you dont have to own a rolex to be here! stick around and you'll see we are about more than just material objects. I own a genuine expy II white dial and its a beautiful watch. if you have any questions concering this model...I will help and Im sure the others will as well! you take care, and hope you stick around!

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