Daytona 6265 Big Red questions

[barbapapa24]

Good day to all - my SA has a friend selling this 1979 Big Red Daytona. I am seeing the watch in person in the coming days but wanted to run this by the forum first. Obviously the pusher is in bad shape and case is pretty banged up but it seems to be legit from others I've spoken to about it thus far. No B&P or original bracelet.

[ebc992299]

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

Good day to all - my SA has a friend selling this 1979 Big Red Daytona. I am seeing the watch in person in the coming days but wanted to run this by the forum first. Obviously the pusher is in bad shape and case is pretty banged up but it seems to be legit from others I've spoken to about it thus far. No B&P or original bracelet.

Tell me where you want to meet.

I’m interested.

The movement can have any kind of damage from that pusher being gone.

When dealing with vintage condition is everything.

So be ready for some aggressive offers.. but not in the range he might be expecting.


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[barbapapa24]

I am interested in buying for myself - in good condition it's a high 5 figure piece but he is asking multiples lower than a good conditioned one. Super new to vintage world so I am seeking guidance.

[ebc992299]

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

I am interested in buying for myself - in good condition it's a high 5 figure piece but he is asking multiples lower than a good conditioned one. Super new to vintage world so I am seeking guidance.

Se the specs I see on the dial or the acrylic?


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[barbapapa24]

I would imagine on the crystal but not certain until I see in person

[ebc992299]

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

I would imagine on the crystal but not certain until I see in person

Things to be aware of..

If it’s your first vintage it’s gonna be a project. And the dial condition is critical.

Case can be polished and restored but then it loses that allure of it being untouched. Which is a way of measuring value not so much preference. Finding parts is another. Don’t just trust every eBay listing. Hit up Phillip at Ridley Watches.


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[barbapapa24]

I appreciate your insight. Apparently he accidentally unscrewed the bottom pusher because he is clueless. I didn’t know that was possibly but I’ve never owned a Daytona (modern or vintage). I don’t think it was well cared for as you can tell with the case being a bit dinged up. Should this be sent to Rolliworks or the guy you mentioned? RSC? I’m a bit clueless and this watch dropped out of the sky for me

[KY..]

I would get/take much better clear macro photos of the case bezel movement dial lug stamps etc and present them here and on Vintage Rolex Forum (VRF).
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/vintagerolexforum/

About how much will it cost you?
For me my first thoughts are understand the one pusher is ~$1000 usd as it looks like it may be a P301 in the pic.
Definitely see if the spots are on the dial or on the crystal. A nice clean Big Red dial alone is ~$20k these days.
The bezel looks odd and I do not recognize it’s fonts for a steel model. My 2 cents.
Tons of fake parts out there so pay attention to the details.
I’d suggest you DO NOT check it out seriously without a nice loop of 10x or better.
And absolutely post much better photos here and on VRF if you want real expert feedback.
Good luck.

[barbapapa24]

could it be the newer iPhones doing weird stuff with text on dials/bezels? I am extremely new to vintage so I appreciate any and all feedback.

the guy is asking less than 15k for it. are there fakes of this model? I haven't paid for it so I am taking my time on some due diligence

[barbapapa24]

found these images on an ostensibly legit 6265 - what about the font appears different? I don't see it. I am ok passing on this if it doesn't look right - just seeking guidance

[KY..]

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

could it be the newer iPhones doing weird stuff with text on dials/bezels? I am extremely new to vintage so I appreciate any and all feedback.

the guy is asking less than 15k for it. are there fakes of this model? I haven't paid for it so I am taking my time on some due diligence

Well that’s a surprise and very cheap if any parts like the dial movement hands case are real Rolex from the period.
At that price the seller is either clueless or it’s a scam.
Your SA is recommending this watch somehow and do not realize how cheap it’s being sold for?????
Worth looking at much closer, but if it smells fishy make sure it’s not rotten fish!

[ebc992299]

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

could it be the newer iPhones doing weird stuff with text on dials/bezels? I am extremely new to vintage so I appreciate any and all feedback.

the guy is asking less than 15k for it. are there fakes of this model? I haven't paid for it so I am taking my time on some due diligence

If he’s asking $15k then let’s meet up but that’s very low.

I’d love to inspect it


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[Dan S]

That asking price sets off alarm bells for me.

[barbapapa24]

I know. It seems way too good to be true but my SA got me a 124060 and an ever rose dd with olive dial at the height of the craze so I do trust him.

[KY..]

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

I know. It seems way too good to be true but my SA got me a 124060 and an ever rose dd with olive dial at the height of the craze so I do trust him.

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

My SA knows it’s worth 50+. It’s his sister’s fiancé’s

If you know and trust everyone involved you should already have a contingent deal/deposit in place.
Just get much better photos and post them for confirmation.

[barbapapa24]

My SA knows it’s worth 50+. It’s his sister’s fiancé’s

[ebc992299]

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

My SA knows it’s worth 50+. It’s his sister’s fiancé’s

Gotcha … if they’re willing to send it you prior to paying then you have nothing to lose. You may have scored.

But your pics aren’t great bud.

You’ve heard some basic points people have pointed out.

Get it delivered and send it out to Phillip at Ridley if you want an honest assessment.

He’ll even send you a label that you’ll cover but it’ll be safe and he can help you with parts, service and authentication.


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[barbapapa24]

My understanding is Bobs offered 11k since there is no b&p or original bracelet. So that was the starting point. The other grey he offered it to wasn’t interested. So the offer has come to me now.

[Mark020]

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

My understanding is Bobs offered 11k since there is no b&p or original bracelet. So that was the starting point. The other grey he offered it to wasn’t interested. So the offer has come to me now.

Such a generous offer

[twnturbo]

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

My understanding is Bobs offered 11k since there is no b&p or original bracelet. So that was the starting point. The other grey he offered it to wasn’t interested. So the offer has come to me now.

All the dealers will low ball then list for double on there site

[Dan S]

In my experience, if someone is asking half the market value of a collectible watch, it's either a scam, or they are desperate for a quick cash sale. The opportunity won't last long.

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

My understanding is Bobs offered 11k since there is no b&p or original bracelet. So that was the starting point. The other grey he offered it to wasn’t interested. So the offer has come to me now.

If true (and it may be BS), it suggests that more is wrong with it than the absence of the bracelet. But it does confirm that he's looking for a quick sale.

[barbapapa24]

I’ve agreed to purchase if we can verify it’s all good. Of course I trust him but what if he doesn’t know vintage that well? People can make mistakes so I need an expert’s help

[barbapapa24]

Definitely looking for a quick cash sale which is probably why they offered it to big grey first

[barbapapa24]

I should be able to have it in hand this weekend. Will take very detailed photos

[Dan S]

I am thinking that the spots are probably on the dial. That would explain the low offers and lack of interest by other dealers. Check it out with a loupe when you get it.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I am thinking that the spots are probably on the dial. That would explain the low offers and lack of interest by other dealers. Check it out with a loupe when you get it.

Yes, spots definitely appear to be on the dial and are consistent with what I’ve seen on other silver dial 6263/5 Daytonas with moisture damage. But who knows.

So many other things could also be wrong with this watch that would explain the low price. What about the movement and case engravings?

Still, if you’re a gambling man, you might make out OK if everything is legit. The parts alone are worth more than the ask.

[KY..]

Personally, I would proceed.
Remember, you snooze you lose.
There is a whole lot of meat on the bone even if the bezel is no good and the dial has spots.
My biggest question at this point would be is the movement authentic and salvageable and is the case legit.
If yes, don’t snooze…

[barbapapa24]

I truly appreciate all the information

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by barbapapa24

I truly appreciate all the information

If you get this watch send it to one of the Ridley’s to service they have access to a parts cache of correct parts. I would also find a bracelet for it.

[barbapapa24]

thanks Ron, I figured I should come here for more info than I could get from TD (recognize your handle)