What do you think about this WG 1803?

[1803_Europe]

Hello,

unfortunately I am not able to post links here, so if anyone could please have a look at the only 1803 on the site of this dealer:

watch-lounge . de

What do you think about its condition?

[CTech]

Here is the link:

https://www.watch-lounge.de/de/uhren...ht/?nid=153637

[TimeLord2]

You can post images here with only a single post. Use the Go Advanced button below, then the paper clip and size images accordingly. Good luck!

[1803_Europe]

What do you think about the watch's condition?

[crowncollection]

Nice imho


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[1803_Europe]

It is rather expensive...

What do you think:
Should I buy it or should I keep on searching for a better one?

[Dr.Smellody]

Originally Posted by 1803_Europe

It is rather expensive...

What do you think:
Should I buy it or should I keep on searching for a better one?

Too expensive if my opinion. Even if perfect.

[1803_Europe]

Is it in perfect condition?

[miamiclay]

I’m guessing that’s a galvanized/gilt dial? If so, WG gilt DD is quite uncommon. Price is high, but not insanely so.

Originally Posted by 1803_Europe

Is it in perfect condition?

Probably no one can say “perfect” without examining it in hand, but the condition certainly appears quite good from the few photos.

[1803_Europe]

What exactly has been galvanized/gilt?
The indices and the hands?

[carwashchris]

Looks to be reserved now. Price is a little strong imo. The condition appears good, i would ask about extra links ? How many if any. Good luck

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[miamiclay]

Originally Posted by carwashchris

The condition appears good, i would ask about extra links ? How many if any. Good luck

Yes, this appears to be misssing some bracelet links (3? 4? I don’t recall fight now). Jewelers often strip these to sell separately - You might tell the seller it won’t fit without those links, and therefore the sale is conditioned on the seller adding back another 2 or 3. As Chris noted, it shows as “reserved” - Is that reserved by you, OP?

Also, ask for a horizontally ‘cantilevered’ photo, showing how much “stretch” is in the bracelet. (Lmk if that’s not clear, we can show you examples.) Gilt dials are also known to sometimes get cracks in the finish, which can be difficult to photograph. I would just ask the seller in writing whether they are in any cracks or other damage to the dial.

Lastly, the condition looks quite good, but not utterly pristine. The coronet on the clasp has been polished down some, etc. It’s certainly well better than average for a 52-year-old DD.

[southtexas]

watch looks nice but 25K euro is tough!!

[1803_Europe]

Hello,

could anyone please answer some tricky questions concerning the bracelets of two 1803 in WG?

These two backside-views of WG-President-bracelets show completely different (not only mirrored) clasps.

What's the matter with them?
Have they been produced in different years or is something not original?

[crowncollection]

Need better pics to tell you anything. Markings and stampings etc.


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[1803_Europe]

Originally Posted by crowncollection

Need better pics to tell you anything. Markings and stampings etc.


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The first 2 pictures show the inner side of the left bracelet, the other 3 pictures show it of the right one.

Does it tell something about the year of production?

[ronricks]

The square cutout on clasp existed until about 1984ish. The round cutout was the replacement. It’s just a design change that happened. Doesn’t mean anything else.

[1803_Europe]

Dear ronricks,

so the right bracelet was made in 1985 or earlier and the left one could be from the year 1956 up to approximately 1984?

[77T]

Originally Posted by 1803_Europe

Hello,

could anyone please answer some tricky questions concerning the bracelets of two 1803 in WG?

These two backside-views of WG-President-bracelets show completely different (not only mirrored) clasps.

What's the matter with them?
Have they been produced in different years or is something not original?

What's the matter?
Neither appears to be OEM from just one poor picture.

If you have these bracelets in your possession, and wish for a serious discourse, most of us need to see much more detailed close-ups of the clasps inside and out.

If that's not possible on your end, I understand - just limited input available to your question.


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[1803_Europe]

Originally Posted by 77T

What's the matter?
Neither appears to be OEM from just one poor picture.

If you have these bracelets in your possession, and wish for a serious discourse, most of us need to see much more detailed close-ups of the clasps inside and out.

If that's not possible on your end, I understand - just limited input available to your question.


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So now, that you can see more detailed close-ups, what can you tell about the years of production?

[1803_Europe]

Originally Posted by 1803_Europe

Hello,

could anyone please answer some tricky questions concerning the bracelets of two 1803 in WG?

These two backside-views of WG-President-bracelets show completely different (not only mirrored) clasps.

What's the matter with them?
Have they been produced in different years or is something not original?

Now I know that the left clasp is authentic for my 1973 DD and not a fake.

[1803_Europe]

The axle (marked with a red circle on picture 2) seems to "stick".

At least gravity is not enough to move the clasp-limb back into vertical direction...

I had to help with my finger to get the limb's position from picture 1 to picture 2.


Question:
Why?
Is anything damaged?
Or not original?

[crowncollection]

Looks like a Groove has formed. Needs polishing down correctly. Dont try yourself.


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[1803_Europe]

The backside of the crown on the clasp:

Why does it look yellow?

It should be made out of 750 WG.
And not just coated by rhodium or anything...

Does anyone know more about this phenomenon?

[Dan S]

Did you just start three different threads with different photos to answer multiple questions about the same clasps? If so, that seems extremely counter-productive.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Did you just start three different threads with different photos to answer multiple questions about the same clasps? If so, that seems extremely counter-productive.

Right? I’m guessing he’s trying to notch ten posts to add photos. Would’ve been nice to explain that from the first one.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Right? I’m guessing he’s trying to notch ten posts to add photos. Would’ve been nice to explain that from the first one.

He could have made multiple posts in the same thread, at least it would have kept the questions together in a more manageable way, since they are obviously connected.

[crowncollection]

Rhodium coated in those days.


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[Toronto Soup King]

Originally Posted by crowncollection

Rhodium coated in those days.

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Aha. First I've heard of that since I was asking here about my WG 1803 bracelet yellowing and was told they WEREN'T coated, making me think I had a problem on my hands. Pleased to hear my bracelet is likely original!

[1803_Europe]

Similar question to question #3:

What about the yellowish (!) area between the red arrows?

Is it from soldering?
Or from any inproper repair?