New Yachtmaster vs Submariner

[RTG]

Originally Posted by clubrcr

I don't know why everyone is comparing this to a Sub. The people who are fans of the Sub will find fault in this new watch. Let us hear from the YM fan club.

This watch needs to stand on its own. I applaud Rolex for going outside the box on a watch that is currently not as popular as the Sub. If you don't like the new YM because of the aesthetics, the titanium, the size, the technology, etc., so be it.

I don't think Rolex introduced this new YM to get people to quit buying the Sub.

This reminds me of what rolex did with the Day Date Tridor. The welding of PM metals was revolutionary at the time, but the buying public didn't like it, and such they quit making it. Will this watch be the same, I don't know, but I put my name on the list to get new YM. I think it will be a great new addition.

This YM fan club member says the new YM42 Ti will make a perfect daily. I eagerly await a chance to buy one

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Devildog

Unlike most of the responses to this thread, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Leaving aside the technical details as to what makes a dive watch a dive watch (and arguably the Sub doesn't full meet the standards anyway), The sub now (along with most of the catalogue to be fair) is more jewellery than tool.

A mirror finished case with a highly reflective bezel and gloss dial is never going to be ideal under water. An ex member of this forum had his ceramic sub brushed and the bezel bead blasted. Made for a much better tool watch.

I wouldn't say the sub is bloated, however and bigger is always better for legibility.

I think the new Ti YM looks fantastic. If I could wear a SD43 as a daily the 42mm YM in Ti would be a breeze.

Its not really about what's best for a particular application for 99.9% of buyers these days. Leaving aside hype based desire, its really just down to aesthetics.

And for me, the new Ti YM 42 blows the ceramic Sub out of the water in that respect.

Well said Scott

[SamArj]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

I have several alternative routes on my way to the office, like 5 or 6. I need to know the patches on the road where the temperature is below 0 Celsius (freezing) for security reasons. I lost control of the car once due to ice on the road. I live in the countryside. Fuel consumption is interesting but not something I want to monitor real-time, as opposed to temperature especially in winter. But again, it's not so much the time at a given point I want to know, but the elapsed time since I left home, like using a chronograph which is why I find the rotating bezel useful.

Sorry makes zero sense.
Why do you time you journey to and from work everyday?? And if this information is truly imperative to your existence then your trip computer will tell you this...or a gps type tracker app on your phone.

As for the temperature thing again this makes very little sense. Unless you are travelling hundreds of miles everyday then if the temperature when you leave your home/work is within a few degrees of zero then you have a chance of ice anywhere along your journey.
My last few cars have all given an 'ice warning' when temps like that are detected, this is NOT new technology.

Anyway, you're the first person I've ever heard of who uses his watch to religiously time is journey to and from work....every day of his life!

[SamArj]

Originally Posted by Devildog

Unlike most of the responses to this thread, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Leaving aside the technical details as to what makes a dive watch a dive watch (and arguably the Sub doesn't full meet the standards anyway), The sub now (along with most of the catalogue to be fair) is more jewellery than tool.

A mirror finished case with a highly reflective bezel and gloss dial is never going to be ideal under water. An ex member of this forum had his ceramic sub brushed and the bezel bead blasted. Made for a much better tool watch.

I wouldn't say the sub is bloated, however and bigger is always better for legibility.

I think the new Ti YM looks fantastic. If I could wear a SD43 as a daily the 42mm YM in Ti would be a breeze.

Its not really about what's best for a particular application for 99.9% of buyers these days. Leaving aside hype based desire, its really just down to aesthetics.

And for me, the new Ti YM 42 blows the ceramic Sub out of the water in that respect.

Actually the reflective surfaces of the sub aren't a problem at all when diving, if anything it helps when at depths. I've dived with my sub, my SD43 and my Omega 300M.

However I completely agree with you about the YM Ti, it appeals to me a lot.

[1259]

The yachtmaster is much nicer than the submariner. I don’t really see them being cross shopped.

[eonflux]

Would have preferred a Ti Sub, or Ti SD43.
Or better yet, a Ti D-Blue!

[aehaas]

Again, I admire this new Ti Rolex watch. The least expensive watch can tell you the time but we collect watches because we like them. I like dive watches, they are the bulk of my collection. As an avid diver I know we all wear diver watches. Some are certified as such for no particular reason than that is what we like. Other watches are 100m WR and that’s good enough. But they are all used only on the surface. Proper dive computers are just too big and bulky to wear other than while diving. Most divers just wear their watch under their wet suit, you do not need it during the dive, some wear it visibly. I have mine within my dry suit, never to be seen during the dive. But it’s on my wrist to be used the other 99% of the time.

All my land, sea and air watches are 100m WR and usable during any dive. Except my TAG Heuer Carrera tourbillon 100m chronometer. TAG specifically wrote me and told me no water sports, not even a shower for this watch. I wonder why they gave it any WR rating if you cannot even get it wet???

Ali

[JRell]

Originally Posted by 1259

The yachtmaster is much nicer than the submariner. I don’t really see them being cross shopped.

Unless you think like me and know the sub is much nicer! It looks better, has more heft, is not dull, etc etc! I don’t know how anyone can compare a one year new release to the most iconic watch in the history of watches. A better question, which of the two will be around in 10 years?

[GGGMT]

This is the first yacht master I’ve ever liked. And I want one badly. But it has nothing to do with the submariner, which is sublime.


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[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by Devildog

If you are using the example of using a dive watch to time your commute to work in low light in your car as to why said dive watch is better than another watch, its hardly a convincing argument.



My phone has a stopwatch. Its also fully illuminated. My car also has a lap timer/stopwatch built into its display.



Sounds like you need a Daytona

I like the convenience of timing my commute at the flick of the wrist. It's more enjoyable than starting the stopwatch on the phone, which by the way you need to remember to stop when you get to your destination. I use the phone for real-time data traffic already. With the watch you just have to look at it. It's quicker. I had a Speedy for a while and while it was fun, I find a bezel just easier and more convenient to read in low light. It's perfect.

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by SamArj

Sorry makes zero sense.
Why do you time you journey to and from work everyday?? And if this information is truly imperative to your existence then your trip computer will tell you this...or a gps type tracker app on your phone.

As for the temperature thing again this makes very little sense. Unless you are travelling hundreds of miles everyday then if the temperature when you leave your home/work is within a few degrees of zero then you have a chance of ice anywhere along your journey.
My last few cars have all given an 'ice warning' when temps like that are detected, this is NOT new technology.

Anyway, you're the first person I've ever heard of who uses his watch to religiously time is journey to and from work....every day of his life!

Timing my commute is just fun and part of my daily routine, it's not that imperative . I use the bezel for what it's designed for, timing things.

I drive a 20 years old car which I love. It warns me of freezing temperatures but seeing the temp on the dashboard gives me that extra peace of mind when it's pitch black outside, early in the morning.

What's the point of having a rotating bezel on my watch if I'm not going to use it? Might as well use the thing. I just like knowing how long it's taking me depending on the route I choose. It's a way of killing boredom. Might sound weird to you, but then what's the point of wearing a watch? What's the point of using a chronograph? Use your phone for everything time related and let's shut the forum altogether.

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by eonflux

Would have preferred a Ti Sub, or Ti SD43.
Or better yet, a Ti D-Blue!

Yes, yes and yes! That would have made a lot more sense.

[Ruvv]

Originally Posted by 1259

the yachtmaster is much nicer than the submariner. I don’t really see them being cross shopped.

+1

[Watchsprings]

Valid point as far as the history of the YM having more bling in the past. This Ti YM is much closer to the watch Sir Ben had on. I am interested to see Ti YM in person, I like the looks of it and would have it along with my Sub (not instead) bottom line Rolex have figured out a way to make the YM much more popular, these will sell like hot cakes! They are the masters of marketing!

[JRell]

Originally Posted by Watchsprings

Valid point as far as the history of the YM having more bling in the past. This Ti YM is much closer to the watch Sir Ben had on. I am interested to see Ti YM in person, I like the looks of it and would have it along with my Sub (not instead) bottom line Rolex have figured out a way to make the YM much more popular, these will sell like hot cakes! They are the masters of marketing!

They had to make the YM more popular by looking like a submariner. Seriously, what does that tell you? They should have made the bezel blue or something.

[gretch6364]

Originally Posted by 1259

The yachtmaster is much nicer than the submariner. I don’t really see them being cross shopped.

Is it even possible yet to get a Ti YM2? I am on a "waitlist" for either the No date 41 sub or the Ti YM2 and I have zero hope I would get allocated a YM2.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by gretch6364

Is it even possible yet to get a Ti YM2? I am on a "waitlist" for either the No date 41 sub or the Ti YM2 and I have zero hope I would get allocated a YM2.

It’s in pretty high demand so the wait may be quite long depending who you are to your AD

[worldofoyster]

Sub is more classic and wears smaller

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by worldofoyster

Sub is more classic and wears smaller

I was surprised by how similar they wore

The lume plots make the dial appear slightly larger on the YM, but the case really isn’t all that different in size IMHO. The YM is thinner too




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[Krash]

I don’t dislike the YM, but I’d rather have the Submariner.


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[worldofoyster]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I was surprised by how similar they wore

The lume plots make the dial appear slightly larger on the YM, but the case really isn’t all that different in size IMHO. The YM is thinner too


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Just that the black pvd bezel looks off, very different than the rest of the rolex lineup.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by worldofoyster

Just that the black pvd bezel looks off, very different than the rest of the rolex lineup.

It takes getting used to. One thing I like about it is that the numerals and markers on the bezel are high polished so they give off a subtle “pop”.

I agree it’s pretty under the radar and not like the rest of the ceramic offerings


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[Jackie Daytona]

My take is a bit different. I don’t believe the new YM is what the Sub should be. The Sub has its own sort of classy diver style it’s always retained.

However I would say it’s a step in the right direction. I’ve never been sailing on a Yacht, or Yacht racing, but there is a tool aspect there that wasn’t accounted for in the original iterations.

We use to sail a lot when I was younger, and can see the benefits of the unpolished titanium no nonsense sort of case dealing with the lines and fittings and all involved.

I think the YM has two sides. There are luxury easy going out on a Yacht upper class Submariner idea, but there is also a tool side to the idea of a Yachtmaster that wasn’t previously accounted for which I think this fills.

I like the YM TI a lot, I will however say I think they missed on the pricing aspect. The Pelagos works better as described.

[bluestreak]

For what it’s worth I owned both and sold the Submariner because I preferred the aesthetic of the YM. I kept the Sub for six months to make sure I really preferred the YM. The Sub was was too shiny for me. I really preferred the muted nature of the Yachtmaster. And while I know it’s not a diver, I also (for me) think two Rolexes with bezels would be redundant for my collection. And although the YM is bigger, I like how it wears because it’s thinner and flatter than the sub. That along with the decreased weight make it more comfortable on *my* wrist.

But these are obviously both very nice watches and to each their own.

But I do think it’s silly to knock YM for not being a diver.

[plaj]

magnifique !

[JRell]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

For what it’s worth I owned both and sold the Submariner because I preferred the aesthetic of the YM. I kept the Sub for six months to make sure I really preferred the YM. The Sub was was too shiny for me. I really preferred the muted nature of the Yachtmaster. And while I know it’s not a diver, I also (for me) think two Rolexes with bezels would be redundant for my collection. And although the YM is bigger, I like how it wears because it’s thinner and flatter than the sub. That along with the decreased weight make it more comfortable on *my* wrist.

But these are obviously both very nice watches and to each their own.

But I do think it’s silly to knock YM for not being a diver.

Both look great and yes to each their own. There is a perfect watch for everyone. I was drawn to Rolex because of the shiny ceramic bezel, but I get how some like it more muted.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

For what it’s worth I owned both and sold the Submariner because I preferred the aesthetic of the YM. I kept the Sub for six months to make sure I really preferred the YM. The Sub was was too shiny for me. I really preferred the muted nature of the Yachtmaster. And while I know it’s not a diver, I also (for me) think two Rolexes with bezels would be redundant for my collection. And although the YM is bigger, I like how it wears because it’s thinner and flatter than the sub. That along with the decreased weight make it more comfortable on *my* wrist.

But these are obviously both very nice watches and to each their own.

But I do think it’s silly to knock YM for not being a diver.

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The flatter caseback, thinner profile and bi-directional bezel are definitely big pluses to me as well