32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[rbndylan]

my watchtracker : https://ibb.co/Zm731B8

[saxo3]

For a new watch (02/2023) your timegraher data are below what I would expect.

I am not surprised that the timekeeping is still (very) good, according to your Watch Tracker curve.

The rather low amplitude values in vertical positions would be a concern for me.

Here a graph from your first data.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

my watchtracker : https://ibb.co/Zm731B8

What is day and what is night?
I guess your watch loses time on your wrist (day) and gains time at rest in DU (night)?

[rbndylan]

It is my first rolex, symbolic moreover... I am rather disappointed of the data knowing that everyone puts Rolex like a very robust mark.
I will be ashamed that after a few months the watch will be repaired, we are talking about 6350€.
Yes, it loses time on the range and gains time at night.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

It is my first rolex, symbolic moreover... I am rather disappointed of the data knowing that everyone puts Rolex like a very robust mark.
I will be ashamed that after a few months the watch will be repaired, we are talking about 6350€.
Yes, it loses time on the range and gains time at night.

I hear and understand you.

Do not get too much frustrated, you have 5 years of warranty. I am not so sure about your first set of data but spent some time to answer many of your questions because your watch is very interesting: new from 02/2023.

I would do the following: get your watch measured by an AD watchmaker who uses a Witschi timegrapher. Ask for the timegrapher parameters (stabilisation time, measurement time), for the Witschi printout, and for his opinion.

Your watch should be at ambient temperature (not on your wrist) when you give it to the AD watchmaker.

I would NOT give this watch for repair to RSC! It is running very well: -2s after 18 days is very very good.

[rbndylan]

Thanks anyway Saxo, I won't bother you anymore, I'll share my measurements when it's over

[rbndylan]

I agree on the -2 in 18 days which is very good. Besides, how can we explain that it is well on the wrist but given levels really average? I'm an engineer in computer science so I spend 8 hours in front of a computer, a lot of position 3H and DU I think.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Thanks anyway Saxo, I won't bother you anymore, I'll share my measurements when it's over

You did not bother me!!!
I only try to help.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

I agree on the -2 in 18 days which is very good. Besides, how can we explain that it is well on the wrist but given levels really average? I'm an engineer in computer science so I spend 8 hours in front of a computer, a lot of position 3H and DU I think.

Forget your timegrapher results for a moment.

I think your watch is not running "well" on your wrist because it always loses time during that period (day) and you can only gain in horizontal position (at rest) during night.

You could do an interesting experiment: wear your watch 24/24 (also when sleeping) for a few days only, and continue to measure with Watchtracker. I have an idea what will happen.

[rbndylan]

Yes, I understand, but of course I'm comparing it to the timegrapher data, but I hope it won't drift more than 3 seconds because that would be my maximum

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Yes, I understand, but of course I'm comparing it to the timegrapher data, but I hope it won't drift more than 3 seconds because that would be my maximum

The average rate of your 3230 caliber after full winding is -1.5 s/d, which is well within COSC and also in the -2/+2 s/d range advertised by Rolex. But the amplitudes in vertical positions are not promising … 6U is at only 200 degrees after 24 hours.

Will you do the 24/24 experiment?

[rbndylan]

Yes, of course. In some forums we hear that a rolex can take some time to "settle in", what do you think ?

I don't know yet about the 24/24 experience

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Yes, of course. In some forums we hear that a rolex can take some time to "settle in", what do you think ?

I don't know yet about the 24/24 experience

I am not convinced that "settle in" improves watch performance.

[rbndylan]

Saxo, here are the new measures:

FULL:
DU: +0.7: 269: 0ms
6H : -3.7: 211: 0ms
9H : -5.1: 215: 0.1ms
3H : -2.2: 219: 0.2ms
DD : +0.9 : 258 : 0ms
Average: -1.88 / 234.4 / 0.06

10H :
DU: +1.5: 270: 0ms
6H: -3.5: 210 : 0ms
9H: -3.7: 223 : 0ms
3H: -1.9: 222 : 0.2ms
DD: +0.9: 254 : 0ms
Average: 1.34 / 235.8 / 0.04

24H :
DU: +1.5: 261 : 0ms
6H: -4.2 : 202 : 0ms
9H: -5.2 : 200 : 0ms
3H: -4.2 : 204 : 0.2ms
DD: 0.0 : 242 : 0ms
Average: -2.42 / 221.8 / 0.04

34H :
DU: +1.2 : 251 : 0ms
6H: -5.8 : 189 : 0.1ms
9H: -4.8 : 192 : 0.1ms
3H: -5.5 : 192 : 0.3ms
DD: 0.0 : 225 : 0ms
Average: -2.98 / 209.8 / 0.1

48H :
DU: +0.1 : 230 : 0ms
6H: -13.3 : 162 : 0ms
9H: -6.2 : 158 : 0ms
3H: -10.2 : 165 : 0.4ms
DD: -1.3 : 193 : 0ms
Average: -4.38 / 175.6 / 0.08

58H :
DU: -0.1 : 199 : 0ms
6H: -19.9 : 143 : 0ms
9H: -9.1 : 141 : 0ms
3H: -13.2 : 145 : 0.4ms
DD: -4.4 : 169 : 0ms
Average: -9.34 / 159.4 / 0.08

69H:
DU: -5.7 : 150 : 0ms
6H:
9H:
3H:
DD:
Average:

Stop in full measure: 69h10min
1 month ago: it was 70h40min
Strange no?

[Andad]

Not really strange.

The movement requires warranty work.

Those readings are some of the worst I have seen.

[rbndylan]

Originally Posted by Andad

Not really strange.

The movement requires warranty work.

Those readings are some of the worst I have seen.

Andad, I bought it last February 25 ...

[rbndylan]

I would like to have Bas' opinion too

[atxwatch]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Saxo, here are the new measures:

FULL:
DU: +0.7: 269: 0ms
6H : -3.7: 211: 0ms
9H : -5.1: 215: 0.1ms
3H : -2.2: 219: 0.2ms
DD : +0.9 : 258 : 0ms
Average: -1.88 / 234.4 / 0.06

10H :
DU: +1.5: 270: 0ms
6H: -3.5: 210 : 0ms
9H: -3.7: 223 : 0ms
3H: -1.9: 222 : 0.2ms
DD: +0.9: 254 : 0ms
Average: 1.34 / 235.8 / 0.04

24H :
DU: +1.5: 261 : 0ms
6H: -4.2 : 202 : 0ms
9H: -5.2 : 200 : 0ms
3H: -4.2 : 204 : 0.2ms
DD: 0.0 : 242 : 0ms
Average: -2.42 / 221.8 / 0.04

34H :
DU: +1.2 : 251 : 0ms
6H: -5.8 : 189 : 0.1ms
9H: -4.8 : 192 : 0.1ms
3H: -5.5 : 192 : 0.3ms
DD: 0.0 : 225 : 0ms
Average: -2.98 / 209.8 / 0.1

48H :
DU: +0.1 : 230 : 0ms
6H: -13.3 : 162 : 0ms
9H: -6.2 : 158 : 0ms
3H: -10.2 : 165 : 0.4ms
DD: -1.3 : 193 : 0ms
Average: -4.38 / 175.6 / 0.08

58H :
DU: -0.1 : 199 : 0ms
6H: -19.9 : 143 : 0ms
9H: -9.1 : 141 : 0ms
3H: -13.2 : 145 : 0.4ms
DD: -4.4 : 169 : 0ms
Average: -9.34 / 159.4 / 0.08

69H:
DU: -5.7 : 150 : 0ms
6H:
9H:
3H:
DD:
Average:

Stop in full measure: 69h10min
1 month ago: it was 70h40min
Strange no?

Saxo is the expert, but the readings look low to me.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Saxo, here are the new measures:

FULL:
DU: +0.7: 269: 0ms
6H : -3.7: 211: 0ms
9H : -5.1: 215: 0.1ms
3H : -2.2: 219: 0.2ms
DD : +0.9 : 258 : 0ms
Average: -1.88 / 234.4 / 0.06

10H :
DU: +1.5: 270: 0ms
6H: -3.5: 210 : 0ms
9H: -3.7: 223 : 0ms
3H: -1.9: 222 : 0.2ms
DD: +0.9: 254 : 0ms
Average: 1.34 / 235.8 / 0.04

24H :
DU: +1.5: 261 : 0ms
6H: -4.2 : 202 : 0ms
9H: -5.2 : 200 : 0ms
3H: -4.2 : 204 : 0.2ms
DD: 0.0 : 242 : 0ms
Average: -2.42 / 221.8 / 0.04

34H :
DU: +1.2 : 251 : 0ms
6H: -5.8 : 189 : 0.1ms
9H: -4.8 : 192 : 0.1ms
3H: -5.5 : 192 : 0.3ms
DD: 0.0 : 225 : 0ms
Average: -2.98 / 209.8 / 0.1

48H :
DU: +0.1 : 230 : 0ms
6H: -13.3 : 162 : 0ms
9H: -6.2 : 158 : 0ms
3H: -10.2 : 165 : 0.4ms
DD: -1.3 : 193 : 0ms
Average: -4.38 / 175.6 / 0.08

58H :
DU: -0.1 : 199 : 0ms
6H: -19.9 : 143 : 0ms
9H: -9.1 : 141 : 0ms
3H: -13.2 : 145 : 0.4ms
DD: -4.4 : 169 : 0ms
Average: -9.34 / 159.4 / 0.08

69H:
DU: -5.7 : 150 : 0ms
6H:
9H:
3H:
DD:
Average:

Stop in full measure: 69h10min
1 month ago: it was 70h40min
Strange no?

Yes, very strange for a new watch from 02/2023: the results are not good (your 48 h average values are not correct).

It is only a question of time when the vertical amplitudes will drop below 200 degrees after 24 h.

The power reserve (69 hours 10 min) is also too low.

It is a classical example that one still observes a good timekeeping on the wrist with an already "sick" 32xx movement.

Here are the graphs for test 1 and test 2.

[saxo3]

Nevertheless, the average rate X is still very good until 36 hours (right graph below).

Many owners would not recognise that this watch already has an issue with too low amplitudes.

[MikeyV]

Would a watch with lower amplitudes be using MORE power from the mainspring?
Or would it be using less?

I'm wondering if decreasing runtimes are linked to the amplitude getting lower.

I'd think that a lower amplitude would make the watch use less power, not more but I don't know the details. Maybe the added friction is the culprit of less runtime.

I say this because my watch had good power reserve (over 72 hours) while keeping perfect time right after service, and now seems to stop at more like 60-65 hours - whenever I've checked it (rarely).

[rbndylan]

Thank you Saxo, what would you do in my place? because the watch keeps the time on your wrist very well. The amplitudes are over 200 after 24 hours. If it stays like that for a long time, it means that there may be no problem? I know that Bas had said that the 32xx are logically designed not to have student amplitudes due to the new escapement. Maybe the watch will continue to have the same amplitudes for years? is that not possible?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Thank you Saxo, what would you do in my place? because the watch keeps the time on your wrist very well.
(a) Get the watch measured by an AD watchmaker who uses a Witschi timegrapher, as described here

(b) Do the 24/24 experiment: wear the watch permanently and continue to measure timekeeping with Watch Tracker, as described here

The amplitudes are over 200 after 24 hours. If it stays like that for a long time, it means that there may be no problem?
I think both is very unlikely.

I know that Bas had said that the 32xx are logically designed not to have student amplitudes due to the new escapement.
Bas to comment.

Maybe the watch will continue to have the same amplitudes for years? is that not possible?
I think that is very unlikely.

Alternatively, forget the measurements, wear the watch for a few months, and check again later to see if it degraded or not.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Thank you Saxo, what would you do in my place? because the watch keeps the time on your wrist very well. The amplitudes are over 200 after 24 hours. If it stays like that for a long time, it means that there may be no problem? I know that Bas had said that the 32xx are logically designed not to have student amplitudes due to the new escapement. Maybe the watch will continue to have the same amplitudes for years? is that not possible?

Did you buy your Rolex watch to stress and worry about continual testing on timegrapher machines.Or did you buy your Rolex watch to wear daily in good health for the next 50 plus years.I know which one I would choose just wear and enjoy your watch in good health, for many years to come now thats far more important.

[rbndylan]

I understand what you mean Padi and that's what I was going to do but considering the tests and the feedback I got, it's still stressful considering the price of the watch

[77T]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

I understand what you mean Padi and that's what I was going to do but considering the tests and the feedback I got, it's still stressful considering the price of the watch

I agree with Saxo & Padi to not fret - wear it - easy to say but harder to do.

Maybe once a year have it checked.

I always had the water resistance checked before I went to the beach and knew I’d be snorkeling, etc. just ask to have the amp & accuracy checked too.

While it’s under warranty you’ll get complimentary service and that should settle any accuracy failings.

Giving the Watch more time before intervention also allows for a potentially improved service procedure if Rolex finds a better one for 32xx problem(s).

I always had the pressure checks done because water damage isn’t covered in the warranty.


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[Barada7]

The 32xx has been out for 8 years. New ones are still having the issue. I’m losing faith there will be a long term fix.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Yes, of course. In some forums we hear that a rolex can take some time to "settle in", what do you think ?

I don't know yet about the 24/24 experience

Settling in/running in was always deemed to be a period of about 2 weeks of constant running regardless of brand.
Depending on who one talks to some watches experience some initial running in while others don't and this mirrors my experience where a watch may have run 3 seconds faster than normal when brands new for the first week or so, then it would suddenly settle in to a regular rate from then on. This was mostly my experience in years gone by but not necessarily within the last 10 years or so with the exception of a brand new Speedy pro which I bought a few years ago that seemed to settle in but I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to that one
Some watchmakers say there is no logical reason why a settling in period should exist and i see their logic.

Consider this.
A Rolex watch movement that is COSC certified has already been run at the observatory for about a 2 week period as part of it's sequence of tests before it has been cased up and tested further to see if it meets the "Superlative" standard before it's sent out from the factory.
How much more running in could the movement really require?

[rbndylan]

I do not know if it can speak to you but it ran 0 seconds constant I was even obliged to alternate DU then 3H the following night to return to 0 so much it was precise and it is when I carried out the test of the power reserve which lasted a little more than 70h and that I wound it up, the it started to drift of -1sec If it speaks to someone or if you have an explanation?

[Dr. Robert]

Originally Posted by Barada7

The 32xx has been out for 8 years. New ones are still having the issue. I’m losing faith there will be a long term fix.

I concur, sadly.