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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok?
Yes, no issues 1,059 69.63%
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine 63 4.14%
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) 399 26.23%
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Old 31 December 2024, 09:04 AM   #5431
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It will be something along the lines of.
Leave it with us and we'll look into it but we might be able to do something sometime after the 33xx movement comes out.
It's a real shame but I didn’t get ANY response at all.
Some form of recognition of the idea and request would have been nice.
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Old 31 December 2024, 09:08 AM   #5432
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I suspect the owner of the forum may have some kind of tie-in with the Mothership from what i've heard within the industry.
Oh WOW !

I don’t know what to say about that …

If the Owner of this forum is linked to Rolex that would possibly create a very big conflict of interest and possibly even more.

Would the Mothership really risk that happening ?
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Old 31 December 2024, 01:30 PM   #5433
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Simple answer: avoid all 32xx watches, either choose a previous generation 5-digit Rolex with a reliable movement or change the watch brand.
The final Milgauss…prior to being discontinued…still has the 3131 movement, correct?
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Old 31 December 2024, 02:00 PM   #5434
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The final Milgauss…prior to being discontinued…still has the 3131 movement, correct?
Correct. I think the 3131 is the same as the 3130 with an added faraday cage.
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Old 31 December 2024, 03:31 PM   #5435
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Correct. I think the 3131 is the same as the 3130 with an added faraday cage.
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Old 31 December 2024, 06:56 PM   #5436
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread

Yes, the Rolex Milgauss Ref. 116400GV is equipped with a 3131 movement. It is a Superlative Chronometer (COSC + Rolex certification after casing) with a specified precision of -2/+2 sec/day, after casing. The 3131 has a power reserve of approximately 48 hours.

The 3131 is a new version of the 3130 with (i) additional shielding against magnetic fields and (ii) it is equipped with the Rolex Parachrom Bleu hairspring.

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The final Milgauss…prior to being discontinued…still has the 3131 movement, correct?
Yes, I can imagine why you ask …. The good news is that the 3131 does not use Rolex's Chronergy escapement like the 32xx!

According to Rolex documentation, the 3131 has the same precision specification (-2/+2 sec/day) as the 32xx caliber family.
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Old 31 December 2024, 10:36 PM   #5437
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Good information. Thank you.
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Old 31 December 2024, 11:41 PM   #5438
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Here is my compact thread summary for 2024.

I have listed all timegrapher data (as presented in this thread) for 32xx watches bought and measured in 2024.

Total: 14 different watches, including one Daytona with a 4131 caliber (Chronergy escapement like the 32xx movements) and including one 3285 watch bought in 10/2023.

Result: 4 new watches showed the well-known 32xx problem (too low amplitudes after 24 hours).

Failure rate of new 32xx watches bought in 2024: 28.6 % (4/14)

My interpretation: the rather low sample rate of 14 new watches, all with Chronergy escapements, is statistically irrelevant and does not allow any conclusions to be drawn for the entire production of 32xx calibers. However, it is astonishing that so many new movements still show the problem in 2024, indicating that there is still no permanent solution to the fundamental 32xx problem.

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Old 1 January 2025, 01:30 AM   #5439
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After almost 4 years of collecting data, producing graphs, collating information and many useful discussions about the 32xx movements I would like to suggest that this thread becomes a “Sticky” in this .. "The Rolex WatchTech" forum.

Any positive feedback from the TRF management would be most welcome.

Here's Hoping ...
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Did you ever get an answer?
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Hello Saxo3,

Unfortunately I was not lucky enough to get an answer either by personal message or via a reply in this thread.

Maybe this reply will be the catalyst that prompts an answer from someone.
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I'd vote for it.
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It will be something along the lines of.
Leave it with us and we'll look into it but we might be able to do something sometime after the 33xx movement comes out.

I suspect the owner of the forum may have some kind of tie-in with the Mothership from what i've heard within the industry.
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It's a real shame but I didn’t get ANY response at all.
Some form of recognition of the idea and request would have been nice.
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Oh WOW !

I don’t know what to say about that …

If the Owner of this forum is linked to Rolex that would possibly create a very big conflict of interest and possibly even more.

Would the Mothership really risk that happening ?
Gentlemen, stop dreaming that this thread becomes a sticky.

As of today, the Rolex WatchTech forum has the following 3 sticky threads

#1
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Last post: 28.12.2024
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Start date: 09.03.2009
Last post: 18.09.2024
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Old 1 January 2025, 11:42 PM   #5440
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Here is my compact thread summary for 2024.

I have listed all timegrapher data (as presented in this thread) for 32xx watches bought and measured in 2024.

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Good job, thanks !
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Old 2 January 2025, 01:49 AM   #5441
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Data for brand new OP41 124300

Full wind:

DU: 0 s/d, 284 degrees, 0ms
DD: +2 s/d, 283 degrees, 0.1ms
3U: -2 s/d, 237 degrees, 0.3ms
6U: 0 s/d, 240 degrees, 0ms
9U: -2 s/d, 241 degrees, 0ms

After 24h:

DU: 2 s/d, 260 degrees, 0.1ms
DD: 0 s/d, 251 degrees, 0ms
3U: -1 s/d, 218 degrees, 0.3ms
6U: -4 s/d, 212 degrees, 0ms
9U: -2 s/d, 224 degrees, 0ms

Measured on a no name Weishi 1000 timegrapher. Any thoughts ?
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Old 2 January 2025, 03:41 AM   #5443
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Any thoughts ?
Please give us some information about the watch, its reference number, date of purchase, if you are the first owner, and when the measurements were done.
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Old 2 January 2025, 04:25 AM   #5444
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Sorry, I thought I had included this in the title.

The watch is 3 weeks old, first owner. It a 124300 (OP41). The measurements were taken yesterday and today.


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Sorry, I thought I had included this in the title.

The watch is 3 weeks old, first owner. It a 124300 (OP41). The measurements were taken yesterday and today.


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Sorry, I thought I had included this in the title.

The watch is 3 weeks old, first owner. It a 124300 (OP41). The measurements were taken yesterday and today.
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Old 2 January 2025, 05:14 AM   #5447
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The watch is 3 weeks old, first owner. It a 124300 (OP41). The measurements were taken yesterday and today.
Thank you very much. The measured amplitudes of your new 3230 movement look good, as do the rates. I see that the rates in the 3 vertical positions (after 24 hours) are all negative but the amplitudes are well above 200 degrees, which is good. As a reference for future comparisons, I suggest you do a full power reserve scan, taking timegrapher data at 0, 12, 24, 36, 48, 54, 60 hours. With a 3230 caliber I would be less concerned than with 3235 or 3285 movements.
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Thanks a lot for the feedback !

When time allows, I’ll do the power reserve scan and post the results
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Old 3 January 2025, 06:44 PM   #5449
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Old 3 January 2025, 07:17 PM   #5450
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Thank you for your hard work, which sums up the situation.
Thanks for your positive feedback.

On 23.01.2021 I had started a thread "Rolex 3200 Series Movement Data Collection" with the aim of collecting timegrapher data. When I saw that this thread had started less than 1 hour before mine, I asked the moderators to delete my thread.

Today, after 4 years, the useful contributions are still based on timegrapher data from various 32xx watch owners. Although this thread is still interesting to look at the performance of new 32xx watches, I can't learn much about this topic on TRF. I continue my participation only out of curiosity and to help others if they wish.
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Hello everyone,

To follow up on “saxo3”'s suggestions on this forum, I remeasured my two watches and here are the results. Is my third series of measurements.

My two watches were not stopped at all, but I made 40 turns for winding. For each position, the measurement lasted 5 minutes before noting the result.

The data for the “Sea Dweller” are really not so good...

Thanks for your opinions and happy new year.
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With some help from Saxo (thx!), here are the timegrapher readings for the watches I have access to. Will add 2 more 32xx movements to the table in the coming weeks, and repost.

My take, and would appreciate others input:
  • Exp2: Clearly needs to go in for service, can’t even measure S/D in 6U after 24 hours.
  • GMT M2: Good, for now.
  • Daytona: Great.

I used a Weishi 1900 timegrapher, and followed the procedures from post 5002 on this thread, with the exception of measuring in the 9-6-3 up order vs. 3-6-9.
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Hello everyone,

To follow up on “saxo3”'s suggestions on this forum, I remeasured my two watches and here are the results. Is my third series of measurements.

My two watches were not stopped at all, but I made 40 turns for winding. For each position, the measurement lasted 5 minutes before noting the result.

The data for the “Sea Dweller” are really not so good...

Thanks for your opinions and happy new year.
Thanks for the update with interesting data and good graphs.

I have compared the amplitudes of your 3 measurements in the table below, looking at t = 0 h and t = 24 h.

It appears that your Sea-Dweller (3235) has developed the too low amplitude issue, only about 4 months after purchase in 09/2024.
 
This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that the 9U and 3U amplitudes, 187° and 190° measured after 24 hours, are outside the Rolex specification of a minimum of 200°.

I would not send the Sea-Dealer for RSC repair under warranty, but continue to observe and measure as you have plenty of time, until 09/2029.

I suggest something unusual for the SD: stop running its 3235, let it rest untouched in DU position, for 3 months, then measure again with your timegrapher.

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Thanks for the update with interesting data and good graphs.

I have compared the amplitudes of your 3 measurements in the table below, looking at t = 0 h and t = 24 h.

It appears that your Sea-Dweller (3235) has developed the too low amplitude issue, only about 4 months after purchase in 09/2024.
 
This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that the 9U and 3U amplitudes, 187° and 190° measured after 24 hours, are outside the Rolex specification of a minimum of 200°.

I would not send the Sea-Dealer for RSC repair under warranty, but continue to observe and measure as you have plenty of time, until 09/2029.

I suggest something unusual for the SD: stop running its 3235, let it rest untouched in DU position, for 3 months, then measure again with your timegrapher.

Thanks for your analysis, I'm going to test this method and let it stop, rest for 3 months and then start it up again, right on time and test with my Timegrapher.
I'll be back here in three months with new graphs for my SD
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With some help from Saxo (thx!), here are the timegrapher readings for the watches I have access to. Will add 2 more 32xx movements to the table in the coming weeks, and repost.



My take, and would appreciate others input:
  • Exp2: Clearly needs to go in for service, can’t even measure S/D in 6U after 24 hours.
  • GMT M2: Good, for now.
  • Daytona: Great.



I used a Weishi 1900 timegrapher, and followed the procedures from post 5002 on this thread, with the exception of measuring in the 9-6-3 up order vs. 3-6-9.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...postcount=5002
Wow! Two 3285 watches, bought in 01/2023 and 04/2023, with a failure rate of 50 % after only 1 year . The Explorer II caliber is very sick.

This brings me back to the question of whether or not Rolex has fixed the 32xx problem, and how old are the problematic calibers we find in watches sold in 2023 and 2024?

Last but not least, nice to see good amplitude data for the second 4131 in this thread.
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Looking at the graphs of many defective watches, it seems to me that the issue only becomes apparent when the watch is less than 60% charged, and even then, only in certain positions. From this, I assume that a watch that is worn at all times (and therefore almost always fully wound) is unlikely to lose enough time for the owner to suspect a problem. This leads me to believe that the problem could be far more widespread than the statistics suggest, and that many happy owners are blissfully unaware that their cherished watches are not living up to the performance that Rolex claims.
I congratulate Saxo on his thorough research and will continue to hold off upgrading my 31xx watches until I'm convinced that the issue has been resolved.
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