vintage rolex tudor

[Dave S]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/vintage-rolex-...1%7C240%3A1318

[Alcan]

The watch is quite possibly an authentic "California dial" Tudor. Have you looked at the seller's feedback, though? He bought it on eBay on November 15th for 300 GBP. And his feedback as a seller leaves a bit to be desired.

[1MAC]

Are there any watches that are supposed to say Rolex and Tudor on the dial? I thought these were all Tudors with a redone or replaced dial.

[Alcan]

Originally Posted by 1MAC

Are there any watches that are supposed to say Rolex and Tudor on the dial? I thought these were all Tudors with a redone or replaced dial.

A few, way back when. Our own Padi has a beautiful example. Check out posts #17 and #24 in this thread:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...highlight=Padi

[springer]

Originally Posted by Alcan

A few, way back when. Our own Padi has a beautiful example. Check out posts #17 and #24 in this thread:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...highlight=Padi

Padi's is a redial with Rolex added to the dial. The watch being discussed here has a 100% fake dial.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by springer

Padi's is a redial with Rolex added to the dial. The watch being discussed here has a 100% fake dial.

Afraid you 100% wrong this is a genuine dial 1940s Rolex Tudor. In the 1940s to very early 1950s several Tudors mainy for English and Canadian market had Rolex on dial.And would it not look very odd if like you say the Rolex was added to the dial,the Tudor font would be very off centre.





This one I sold several years ago.

[tudorman8276]

...CASPER needs to pay this one a visit also.

...this watch is trying to be something that it is NOT, never has been, nor ever will be.

Stan.

[Terry Newton]

Ho-Hum. Another Rouder for disposal.

Terry Newton

[springer]

Padi, here is another like yours, but notice the dial difference, and the equal spacing everywhere. Maybe it's genuine, maybe a redial, maybe not. From the one pic, I'd say it has a genuine dial, but wonder about the hands.

Rolex did make a few early Tudors that some claim came with Rolex on the dial. I also have heard they were for the Canadian market, maybe England also as you've noted. I've never been able to verify this with Rolex.

What strikes me as odd is there are never any for sale, just fake dialed Tudors.

Your Tudor looks redialed, but I don't have it in front of me to examine. If you'd like, I can have that done for you.

The ones that have been discussed here on the forum, especially these "California Dials" are all fakes.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Dave S

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/vintage-rolex-...1%7C240%3A1318

That is a 100% fake dial, done to misrepresent it as a Rolex and enhance the value of the watch.

[tudorman8276]

...make that watch......DISAPPEAR!

...SHE told me that SHE is working on it!!!!! ALONG WITH, the other one for eBay UK.

...just watch and see. She WILL make it go away, but because UK, it takes a LITTLE longer.

Stan.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by springer

Padi, here is another like yours, but notice the dial difference, and the equal spacing everywhere. Maybe it's genuine, maybe a redial, maybe not. From the one pic, I'd say it has a genuine dial, but wonder about the hands.

Rolex did make a few early Tudors that some claim came with Rolex on the dial. I also have heard they were for the Canadian market, maybe England also as you've noted. I've never been able to verify this with Rolex.

What strikes me as odd is there are never any for sale, just fake dialed Tudors.

Your Tudor looks redialed, but I don't have it in front of me to examine. If you'd like, I can have that done for you.

The ones that have been discussed here on the forum, especially these "California Dials" are all fakes.

Well agree about Tudors with the Rolex crown emblem on dial,but in the 1930s up till the late 1940s many Rolex and Tudor had those type hands.The small rose Tudor watch in your picture is quite a bit later.The main reason you dont see any for sale most are in collections,but can assure you they 100% genuine dials as when left the factory.

Below 1930s Silver Rolex 17J movement, have a Rolex Unicorn same case but different hands and a 15J movement note fonts.

[tudorman8276]

...SHE is sooooo diligent about these things.

Stan.

[tudorman8276]

...you talk about in the "30's" and 40's....

...HOWEVER, the very first Tudor was not produced until 1945. there are several ref's to support this in print. Please keep this in mind.

...what really gets me going sometimes, is when someone talks about the 1920's/1930's Tudor they are describing, ESPECIALLY, when they do NOT have a clue as to initial production.

...what I have seen, is genuine Rol cases (from the 20's/30's) with a Tudor movement from the 40's/50's.

Stan.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...you talk about in the "30's" and 40's....

...HOWEVER, the very first Tudor was not produced until 1945. there are several ref's to support this in print. Please keep this in mind.

...what really gets me going sometimes, is when someone talks about the 1920's/1930's Tudor they are describing, ESPECIALLY, when they do NOT have a clue as to initial production.

...what I have seen, is genuine Rol cases (from the 20's/30's) with a Tudor movement from the 40's/50's.

Stan.

If you read my post correctly as stated we were talking about the hands{ but in the 1930s up till the late 1940s many Rolex and Tudor had those type hands}.And I can assure you I know exactly when Rolex Tudor first went into production.Just as I can assure that above watches are genuine dialled Rolex Tudors.

[tudorman8276]

...thanks for the clarification.

...I DO respect your opinion and input.

...HOWEVER, not to be hard headed, I stand on the principle that Rolex never produced a Tudor watch dial with the word Rolex on it OR the Crown on it. UNTIL, someone from Rolex actually verifies this as fact, I will continue, along with Springer, to be of the opinion that it simply did NOT happen coming from the factory as presented, and that they are a result of a refinished dial, sometime during their life, whether early on or otherwise.

...if this were the case, why do the solar aquas etc not bear the trademarks as well as other Tudor watches???

Sincerely, Stan.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...thanks for the clarification.

...I DO respect your opinion and input.

...HOWEVER, not to be hard headed, I stand on the principle that Rolex never produced a Tudor watch dial with the word Rolex on it OR the Crown on it. UNTIL, someone from Rolex actually verifies this as fact, I will continue, along with Springer, to be of the opinion that it simply did NOT happen coming from the factory as presented, and that they are a result of a refinished dial, sometime during their life, whether early on or otherwise.

...if this were the case, why do the solar aquas etc not bear the trademarks as well as other Tudor watches???

Sincerely, Stan.

Would agree with the Rolex crown emblem,but records for Rolex or Tudor are very limited around these times. Dont forget world war 11 had just ended and Rolex and Tudor wanted to get a world wide market.So quite a few Rolex and the Tudor line were sold exclusive to certain countries.And in the early days of Rolex until the introduction of the Oyster case around 1926/7.Only about one in every five watches had the Rolex name on dial.Some just had a paper sticker on case back some nothing,some movement signed again some not.The 1940s can be a absolute minefield with Rolex watches they would use any case movement they could get there hands on to make a complete watch they were hard times for the Swiss watch industry.

[bagel]

Originally Posted by Dave S

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/vintage-rolex-...1%7C240%3A1318

IMHO, it looks to me a refinished dial ....

[superformance]

I had this experience in Manila....My friend is selling me a Tudor Submariner vintage ( looks like the 5513 I've owned some 2 decades ago) ,brought the said watch to the Rolex Service Centre in Manila. The receptionist received it so i suspect nothing's dodgy about it but when it was inspected ,opened up by the technician they found out it's a FAKE.. never thought that there is a fake antique Tudor Sub...my two cents worth.

[PennineT]

I have an old Tudor and original coffin box, but it is the box that I think is interesting. It says on the inside 'Tudor by Rolex Geneva', the watch itself is signed Tudor on the face. Is this box unusual?

[77T]

Removed from eBay

[nowzen]

Originally Posted by 77T

Removed from eBay

In reference to a 2008 listing?... I would hope so.

[nowzen]

Originally Posted by PennineT

I have an old Tudor and original coffin box, but it is the box that I think is interesting. It says on the inside 'Tudor by Rolex Geneva', the watch itself is signed Tudor on the face. Is this box unusual?

Why don't you post a picture of the watch and box?
I would think that if the box is co-branded, it would probably be sometime between 1926 and 1946 when Rolex established Tudor as a separate brand. However, I have seen later newspaper and magazine ads signed "Tudor by Rolex" as well as a 1956 Tudor sub ad by Tourneau.

[bayerische]

The Pic Dave posted with "Rolex Tudor" is a fake.

Let's bin it!

[nowzen]

Originally Posted by bayerische

The Pic Dave posted with "Rolex Tudor" is a fake.

Let's bin it!

BINNED 3 YEARS AGO!