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mk2jag · 24 December 2019, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

I look at the pictures

me too!

replicator · 24 December 2019, 05:02 AM

Not everyone is as price sensitive. Even with the inflated prices, compare with brick and mortar greys or large shops like watchfinder, chrono24 and the prices are better here

1FINE99 · 24 December 2019, 05:15 AM

I just bought my first Rolex , the TOG that Mr. Duey had for sale, and I am VERY happy with the watch and the price . Craig is the tops for me !!

Muxi · 24 December 2019, 06:51 AM

It relaxes me. And then I see one that sings to me. And the process begins again.

BillA · 24 December 2019, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1FINE99

I just bought my first Rolex , the TOG that Mr. Duey had for sale, and I am VERY happy with the watch and the price . Craig is the tops for me !!

Hope you got a big discount, TOG not a sports watch.

Chewbacca · 24 December 2019, 06:59 AM

Visit the non Rolex Tudor classies.

Be blown away at what else your dollar gets.

golfski · 24 December 2019, 07:31 AM

What is the point of looking at this thread anymore, if the OP is going to continue to ignore the fact that market price is the current fair price, not MSRP like others said.

MSRP literally stands for Manufacturer SUGGESTED retail price. Not Mandatory Selling Real Price or My Silly Ridiculous Price.

A market price on an in Demand item is a fair price. It’s a price you could buy it for and a price you can sell it for (minus use cost). I’d rather pay a market price over MSRP and be able to sell it for something close I paid for it vs. paying MSRP and knowing I can’t sell it or will lose 30-40% right away (i.e. less in demand).

It is not the sellers driving up the prices, its the BUYERS who are willing to pay more and more because they want the watch and its worth it to them. And now that everyone knows if they come across a in demand watch they don't really want, they can buy it and flip and make some money or at least earn thousands in miles on a CC, which drives the prices up even higher because the watches stay hard to get.

Blansky · 24 December 2019, 07:34 AM

If there is no sense looking I would just suggest he stop looking.

Problem solved.

magnetic · 24 December 2019, 07:38 AM

I like looking at the pictures but i find it frustrating as there is so little available in the UK. But, we see the same re-sellers posting and bumping the hard to find watches at inflated prices.
I know, I don’t have to buy and can make an offer etc... but this forum is meant to be a community. However, these sellers are ‘rubbing our noses in it’ and if they were not buying them all up and flipping, we may then have the chance to buy at cost.

quakeroatmeal · 24 December 2019, 07:44 AM

Often times I'll look at the FS section and laugh really hard thinking the seller cant possibly be serious. Especially when I see a watch has been sitting for a month+ but they don't lower the price at all.

There are only 2-3 sellers on here that I would consider paying over MSRP over and thats because I feel very safe with them, and know I'm getting a *good* watch. Not photoshopped or angled just right to hide any surprises.

Other than them? No. I'm not giving you 12k for a SS new with stickers Sub, Ted.

Sorry not sorry. Keeping bumping those posts until you're blue in the face.

mountainjogger · 24 December 2019, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

I look at the pictures

Same. Beats watching TV. But then, most things do.

jitdc · 24 December 2019, 07:55 AM

Honestly, I just look at the pictures.

golfski · 24 December 2019, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnetic

I like looking at the pictures but i find it frustrating as there is so little available in the UK. But, we see the same re-sellers posting and bumping the hard to find watches at inflated prices.
I know, I don’t have to buy and can make an offer etc... but this forum is meant to be a community. However, these sellers are ‘rubbing our noses in it’ and if they were not buying them all up and flipping, we may then have the chance to buy at cost.

It’s not TS that are buying them from AD’s but the flippers who are getting them from AD and selling them to TS. And it’s hardly only on TRF, it’s everywhere - the TS prices are consistent with the market prices of all greys and private flippers. This is nothing new in the world, if there’s something thats in demand, that will drive price up. It may be new to watches, but it’s just economics! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

mountainjogger · 24 December 2019, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnetic

I know, I don’t have to buy and can make an offer etc... but this forum is meant to be a community. However, these sellers are ‘rubbing our noses in it’ and if they were not buying them all up and flipping, we may then have the chance to buy at cost.

Could not disagree more. They are merely reporting the facts. Not making the news.

And no one goes into business to sell at "cost." Last time I checked, my AD was making a pretty good commission over and above his "cost" from Rolex.

Respectfully suggest that if you are committed to giving great deals to the community, then go into business yourself, invest your capital and buy some watches and sell them on the forum at "cost." Don't think you would stay in business very long. But that is just my opinion.

Or, if the market price is too high for the hot model of the day, buy one that is within your budget. Or, buy a Tudor. They are still at or below MSRP.

Any of these options beats complaining and going bare wristed.

It's just a watch.

BillA · 24 December 2019, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnetic

i like looking at the pictures but i find it frustrating as there is so little available in the uk. But, we see the same re-sellers posting and bumping the hard to find watches at inflated prices.
I know, i don’t have to buy and can make an offer etc... But this forum is meant to be a community. However, these sellers are ‘rubbing our noses in it’ and if they were not buying them all up and flipping, we may then have the chance to buy at cost.

+1

watchmework · 24 December 2019, 08:57 AM

Everyone wants to get bent out of shape about these prices...it isn't the Deals Section of TRF...it's the Classifieds, either you make an offer to make a purchase or move on.

BillA · 24 December 2019, 09:08 AM

When you are asked to pay these crazy prices, for me, it loses the fun of being a hobby.
People are on the AD list, then get called, buy the watch, they know they don’t want it, flip it to one of the TS’s on the forum, and now it appears for sale at an even higher price. If buying under this circumstance is fun, then one should continue doing it. But not me.

smym18 · 24 December 2019, 09:34 AM

Maybe in 2020 everyone can mutually agree to stop paying ridiculous prices and let them come back down.

BillA · 24 December 2019, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smym18

Maybe in 2020 everyone can mutually agree to stop paying ridiculous prices and let them come back down.

It is an interesting concept but there are people who have lots of money to burn and the inflated prices are pocket change.

Muxi · 24 December 2019, 10:00 AM

Just let it be and allow other people to live the way they want to. It’s okay. It’s all good.

djgallo · 24 December 2019, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainjogger

Could not disagree more. They are merely reporting the facts. Not making the news.

And no one goes into business to sell at "cost." Last time I checked, my AD was making a pretty good commission over and above his "cost" from Rolex.

Respectfully suggest that if you are committed to giving great deals to the community, then go into business yourself, invest your capital and buy some watches and sell them on the forum at "cost." Don't think you would stay in business very long. But that is just my opinion.

Or, if the market price is too high for the hot model of the day, buy one that is within your budget. Or, buy a Tudor. They are still at or below MSRP.

Any of these options beats complaining and going bare wristed.

It's just a watch.

Totally agree...and well said!

locutus49 · 24 December 2019, 10:31 AM

Wrong. The prices on TRF are frequently fair. They are just not to YOUR liking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by joli160

Agree, the FS section on TRF is not the place to find a watch for a fair price

locutus49 · 24 December 2019, 10:33 AM

Complaining seems to be the sport on TRF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainjogger

Could not disagree more. They are merely reporting the facts. Not making the news.

And no one goes into business to sell at "cost." Last time I checked, my AD was making a pretty good commission over and above his "cost" from Rolex.

Respectfully suggest that if you are committed to giving great deals to the community, then go into business yourself, invest your capital and buy some watches and sell them on the forum at "cost." Don't think you would stay in business very long. But that is just my opinion.

Or, if the market price is too high for the hot model of the day, buy one that is within your budget. Or, buy a Tudor. They are still at or below MSRP.

Any of these options beats complaining and going bare wristed.

It's just a watch.

SS Oyster · 24 December 2019, 10:45 AM

Yes, supply and demand ... yada yada yada, but if you don't understand, take a course.

Here's one on "Willingness to Pay", which is what Grey dealers have to constantly be evaluating and then determining what they are willing to pay for their supply of watches at which they will mark them appropriately to be right at that price point at which customers are willing to pay.

It's the CUSTOMER that sets the price they are willing to pay. In Rolex speak, what is my "waiting time" worth to me and how much do I really want that hot watch?

It is Rolex who controls the quantity, which they have not been increasing to match demand that would lower the pricing.

Finally, the rise in the Chinese middle class and social media telling us what we should have at a certain income level have both made significant impacts on the demand signal, making the number of watches available seem far below the increasing demand signal.

Bizcut1 · 24 December 2019, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Likestheshiny

Your complaint amounts to, "Watches cost more right now and I don't like it."

Rags · 24 December 2019, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillA

Why look anymore? There are no good deals.

All the Rolex SS Professional models are selling for thousands over msrp.

I guess if you look, you might get a good chuckle when you see the asking prices.

Hard to believe all this stuff sells at those ridiculous prices.

I found a good deal a month ago when I bought my Oyster Perpetual

Equity · 24 December 2019, 11:16 AM

It’s a bad place to buy SS and a great place to buy PM.

No problems there.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

iliketime · 24 December 2019, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bizcut1

996marty · 24 December 2019, 11:44 AM

Have to agree watches for sale on here are way over priced just checking online prices with dealers I trust can get you a way better deal.

Justinmg · 24 December 2019, 12:03 PM

I found a great deal on a 35yr old almost NOS Rolex date. Just depends what you are looking for. I like the not so popular models

24 December 2019, 12:03 PM	#60
Justinmg "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Justin Location: FL Watch: PO/EXPL Posts: 3,371	I found a great deal on a 35yr old almost NOS Rolex date. Just depends what you are looking for. I like the not so popular models __________________ //////////////////////////////// Member of The Nylon Nation Does it do anything? It tells the time.

24 December 2019, 05:02 AM	#32
replicator "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex/AP Posts: 341	Not everyone is as price sensitive. Even with the inflated prices, compare with brick and mortar greys or large shops like watchfinder, chrono24 and the prices are better here

24 December 2019, 05:15 AM	#33
1FINE99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Cailf Posts: 21	I just bought my first Rolex , the TOG that Mr. Duey had for sale, and I am VERY happy with the watch and the price . Craig is the tops for me !!

24 December 2019, 06:51 AM	#34
Muxi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,823	It relaxes me. And then I see one that sings to me. And the process begins again.

24 December 2019, 06:59 AM	#36
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	Visit the non Rolex Tudor classies. Be blown away at what else your dollar gets.

24 December 2019, 07:31 AM	#37
golfski "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: US Watch: me whip & nay nay Posts: 397	What is the point of looking at this thread anymore, if the OP is going to continue to ignore the fact that market price is the current fair price, not MSRP like others said. MSRP literally stands for Manufacturer SUGGESTED retail price. Not Mandatory Selling Real Price or My Silly Ridiculous Price. A market price on an in Demand item is a fair price. It’s a price you could buy it for and a price you can sell it for (minus use cost). I’d rather pay a market price over MSRP and be able to sell it for something close I paid for it vs. paying MSRP and knowing I can’t sell it or will lose 30-40% right away (i.e. less in demand). It is not the sellers driving up the prices, its the BUYERS who are willing to pay more and more because they want the watch and its worth it to them. And now that everyone knows if they come across a in demand watch they don't really want, they can buy it and flip and make some money or at least earn thousands in miles on a CC, which drives the prices up even higher because the watches stay hard to get.

24 December 2019, 07:34 AM	#38
Blansky 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: swmnpoolsmovie* Posts: 9,778	If there is no sense looking I would just suggest he stop looking. Problem solved.

24 December 2019, 07:38 AM	#39
magnetic "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Real Name: Matt Location: London Posts: 285	I like looking at the pictures but i find it frustrating as there is so little available in the UK. But, we see the same re-sellers posting and bumping the hard to find watches at inflated prices. I know, I don’t have to buy and can make an offer etc... but this forum is meant to be a community. However, these sellers are ‘rubbing our noses in it’ and if they were not buying them all up and flipping, we may then have the chance to buy at cost.

24 December 2019, 07:44 AM	#40
quakeroatmeal "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: NY Watch: Mickey Watch Posts: 488	Often times I'll look at the FS section and laugh really hard thinking the seller cant possibly be serious. Especially when I see a watch has been sitting for a month+ but they don't lower the price at all. There are only 2-3 sellers on here that I would consider paying over MSRP over and thats because I feel very safe with them, and know I'm getting a good watch. Not photoshopped or angled just right to hide any surprises. Other than them? No. I'm not giving you 12k for a SS new with stickers Sub, Ted. Sorry not sorry. Keeping bumping those posts until you're blue in the face.

24 December 2019, 07:55 AM	#42
jitdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Real Name: Jake Location: TN Watch: 126500 Posts: 546	Honestly, I just look at the pictures.

24 December 2019, 08:57 AM	#46
watchmework "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: DC Watch: 126710BLRO, 116600 Posts: 7,869	Everyone wants to get bent out of shape about these prices...it isn't the Deals Section of TRF...it's the Classifieds, either you make an offer to make a purchase or move on.

24 December 2019, 09:08 AM	#47
BillA 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,870	When you are asked to pay these crazy prices, for me, it loses the fun of being a hobby. People are on the AD list, then get called, buy the watch, they know they don’t want it, flip it to one of the TS’s on the forum, and now it appears for sale at an even higher price. If buying under this circumstance is fun, then one should continue doing it. But not me.

24 December 2019, 09:34 AM	#48
smym18 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: USA Posts: 1,376	Maybe in 2020 everyone can mutually agree to stop paying ridiculous prices and let them come back down.

24 December 2019, 10:00 AM	#50
Muxi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,823	Just let it be and allow other people to live the way they want to. It’s okay. It’s all good.

24 December 2019, 10:45 AM	#54
SS Oyster 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 9,207	Yes, supply and demand ... yada yada yada, but if you don't understand, take a course. Here's one on "Willingness to Pay", which is what Grey dealers have to constantly be evaluating and then determining what they are willing to pay for their supply of watches at which they will mark them appropriately to be right at that price point at which customers are willing to pay. It's the CUSTOMER that sets the price they are willing to pay. In Rolex speak, what is my "waiting time" worth to me and how much do I really want that hot watch? It is Rolex who controls the quantity, which they have not been increasing to match demand that would lower the pricing. Finally, the rise in the Chinese middle class and social media telling us what we should have at a certain income level have both made significant impacts on the demand signal, making the number of watches available seem far below the increasing demand signal.

24 December 2019, 11:16 AM	#57
Equity "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Florida Posts: 354	It’s a bad place to buy SS and a great place to buy PM. No problems there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 December 2019, 11:44 AM	#59
996marty "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: Uk Watch: RolexGMT/Tudor7928 Posts: 4,181	Have to agree watches for sale on here are way over priced just checking online prices with dealers I trust can get you a way better deal.

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