Tim Mosso weighs in on new Submariner debate

[vh2k]

Tim Mosso weighed in this morning...

Full comment/review:

https://youtu.be/EPzOIvIHuX4

“the new Submariner has a much more elegantly tapered case profile”

“they (lugs) are a bit more spare and graceful now”

[fskywalker]

Thanks for sharing. Never liked the 6 series fatter lugs so tend to agree the new 41 MM Sub C model looks better


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[bondtoys]

Isn‘t Tim Mosso by profession automatically obliged to find new stuff that they can sell for a premium - better?

I would not care too much about what he says and from his videos, he does seldom point out negatives at all. It‘s all about the sales pitch

[TswaneNguni]

Who ??

I make my own decisions.

[nr1416]

11 series, 12 series Subs....

Both are great, there will always be love for both of them. I hear ridiculous things like the 11 series was a huge mistake by Rolex.....ya huge 10 year mistake with a massive demand and wait lists for them for the past 3 years.

If you look at the Sub like a Porsche 911 then you see why people see the 996 as a mistake in looks for the brand. And 996 prices reflect that compared to the other generations.

You'll never see a 11 series Sub selling for half as much as a 12 series is what I'm saying.

Both are great and you can't go wrong with either.

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[vh2k]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

...from his videos, he does seldom point out negatives at all. It‘s all about the sales pitch

Noted and agreed.

So, you would agree he probably said “...the new Submariner has a much more elegantly tapered case profile” because it would be construed as a positive observation and selling point.

[brucethemanlee]

New subs are great!! Only reason I avoided getting one in the past

Now my New Sub is my fave. Granted still honeymoon phase ;)

[nr1416]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

Isn‘t Tim Mosso by profession automatically obliged to find new stuff that they can sell for a premium - better?

I would not care too much about what he says and from his videos, he does seldom point out negatives at all. It‘s all about the sales pitch

agree

I can't trust anyone's opinion that is selling the item their reviewing.

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[Goose 104]

Originally Posted by nr1416

agree

I can't trust anyone's opinion that is selling the item their reviewing.

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I do agree that he emphasises the positives at the expense of clarifying the negatives, but I do respect his knowledge of watches and he has a very good way of describing timepieces if he would just slow down!

[padi56]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

Isn‘t Tim Mosso by profession automatically obliged to find new stuff that they can sell for a premium - better?

I would not care too much about what he says and from his videos, he does seldom point out negatives at all. It‘s all about the sales pitch

Have to agree nothing more than click bait, but afraid today many believe everything they see on sites like youtube and so called social media.

[ap1]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

Isn‘t Tim Mosso by profession automatically obliged to find new stuff that they can sell for a premium - better?

I would not care too much about what he says and from his videos, he does seldom point out negatives at all. It‘s all about the sales pitch

Plus, 47mm watches fit a 13cm wrist lol

[ronricks]

That guy loves to talk about his wrist size.

[Mendota]

Originally Posted by nr1416

11 series, 12 series Subs....

Both are great, there will always be love for both of them. I hear ridiculous things like the 11 series was a huge mistake by Rolex.....ya huge 10 year mistake with a massive demand and wait lists for them for the past 3 years.

If you look at the Sub like a Porsche 911 then you see why people see the 996 as a mistake in looks for the brand. And 996 prices reflect that compared to the other generations.

You'll never see a 11 series Sub selling for half as much as a 12 series is what I'm saying.

Both are great and you can't go wrong with either.

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True, the 996 looks out of place in a lineup of 911s with those goofy headlights, but the main reason the 996 is undesirable is due to the IMS bearing failure issue.

Imagine if Rolex produced a watch that could, at any moment and without warning, literally have catastrophic movement failure! And the only way to avoid it would be to send your watch to RSC and have them install thousands of dollars of parts into your movement just to keep it from imploding.

Just imagine a world where any other product could do that and the buyers would still line up in droves to buy it. I do love the 997.2 though. I would love a C4S Cabriolet.

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[Calatrava r]

I have a hard time understanding why he wears a mask making it difficult to hear and understand him when he is alone.

[VegasMilgauss]

Personally I prefer the broader lugs, gives it a more masculine look. To each their own!

[kans86]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Who ??

I make my own decisions.

+1

I don't own the old 6 digit Sub, partly because I don't like very much the Maxi case, but now with the 41mm I kind of find the old case have more characters. And I prefer the old slimmer clasp.

[peterskinner]

Bit unfair on Mosso. His company will make more money selling and trading the older model than the new one. Because, after ten years, there are far more of them available in the market. He has a vested interest in downplaying the new model. But he doesn’t.
What’s more, he repeatedly favours more obscure watches when it wouid be easier to stick to the mainstream. Are we to assume that every single person with any commercial involvement cannot be trusted? That everyone is, in some sense, corrupted? And what about members of the forum? Are we all biased because we admire Rolex? Assuming bad motives can be a slippery slope.
And finally, he is surely right, the new Sub does look better. But then I’m probably biased too!

[djackson410]

The case may have a more elegantly tapered profile but it didn't make sense to increase the size of the bracelet and clasp. They should've left it at 20mm and figured out a way to decrease the lug size. This will be an issue for years to come.

[JRell]

Originally Posted by djackson410

The case may have a more elegantly tapered profile but it didn't make sense to increase the size of the bracelet and clasp. They should've left it at 20mm and figured out a way to decrease the lug size. This will be an issue for years to come.

I had the 114060 and now the 124060 and bluesy. It is amazing how much smaller the 12s wear. Rolex knew what they were doing, if they kept it at 40 it would have felt even smaller. They nailed it with the 12.

[Ranger67]

Originally Posted by vh2k

Tim Mosso weighed in this morning...

Full comment/review:

https://youtu.be/EPzOIvIHuX4

“the new Submariner has a much more elegantly tapered case profile”

“they (lugs) are a bit more spare and graceful now”

How many videos are you going to post saying the same thing?

[joli160]

Never heard of him

[JR16]

Originally Posted by ap1

Plus, 47mm watches fit a 13cm wrist lol

Lol Tim says this for every watch I’ve ever seen him review . They all fit 13cm
Wrists . Don’t get me wrong, I highly respect his knowledge and ability to succinctly distill essential info about a watch down to a few min video. But gotta take any opinions expressed with a grain of salt as it is a sales website.


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[Flyfisher]

Is there a spot on the dial between the 10 & 11 o'clock indices, towards the center of the dial? Figured it was on the crystal, but he wiped it several times in that spot.

It disappeared for a moment when the second hand swept over it, leading me to think it was on the dial.

Anyone else see this?

Check it out at 3:58

[ndrs63]

The fat-lug Sub looks slightly more utilitarian. It’s a dive watch, after all!!
Nothing wrong with it, it’s just a a bit different design. As Rolex departs from that style, it will become more of a curiosity and slightly more collectible, especially for Rolex fans that will want to have all case editions.
I know I will keep mine.




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[enjoythemusic]

Not a clue who he is.... Please mods close this thread.

Click bait.... no thanks.

[Ranger67]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Not a clue who he is.... Please mods close this thread.

Click bait.... no thanks.

Agreed, this is the 3rd thread the OP has posted with videos on the same thing, yawn!!!

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Not a clue who he is.... Please mods close this thread.

Click bait.... no thanks.

Close the thread because you don’t know who he is? Hilarious. He’s like the most knowledgeable watch person on the planet tho as some note operates under the typical sales conflict: works for a major AD for basically all brands. But his knowledge is stunning.

[nr1416]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

Close the thread because you don’t know who he is? Hilarious. He’s like the most knowledgeable watch person on the planet tho as some note operates under the typical sales conflict: works for a major AD for basically all brands. But his knowledge is stunning.

Agree.

I don't get it, if I don't like a topic of here....I don't click on it and surely don't waste my time responding.

Tim is a walking encyclopedia, ya does he sell watches. Sure. But you can't deny his knowledge of horology.

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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by nr1416

Agree.

I don't get it, if I don't like a topic of here....I don't click on it and surely don't waste my time responding.

Tim is a walking encyclopedia, ya does he sell watches. Sure. But you can't deny his knowledge of horology.

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Totally — I find his vids always informative and enlightening. And because he sells virtually all brands, I don’t see any real conflict. He points out all the amazing aspects of them all. And, as ben clymer said when he faced the same criticism — essentially, ‘they’re watches! It’s all good!’

[Big Sexy]

Never put too much faith into the opinions of those trying so sell you said things.

Also, isn’t he the guy who hired that fraud TGV? I’d say his judgment is suspect. He at least came to his senses and fired him