Is Rolex Haute Horology?

[Art 1]

No.

[kkwn98]

Originally Posted by jclevoy

In my book Audemars Piguet's Offshore Scuba is still not a functional dive watch. How do you set the inner bezel?? Correct me if I am wrong, but the user must unscrew the crown to set the inner bezel thus compromising water resistance if the diver is already in the water

The only watch company to get this right is IWC. The upper crown on the IWC Aquatimer is water resistant UNSCREWED for something like 30meters so that the user can actually set the inner bezel timer once the diver is in the water




PADI divers that dive once a year on vacation use dive computers.

But I will not get into the whole issue of why dive computers are more of a hindrance than a benefit.

My final post on this matter.

You like to focus on the AP, but conveniently ignore my main objection, which was that there's no need to dismiss other high-end brands as making "jewelry and not functional watches" (your words), particularly when you appear to know better.

The AP was but one of many examples I gave of watches that could be used for diving. I never said it was the best or most practical. Again, you ignore the others that I referred to, choosing to focus on the AP. Would you have been happier if I included the Girard Perregaux Sea Hawk instead?

As for dive computers, I'll defer to you on this one.

Finally, to answer the OP: no.

[bodybump]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Dunno nuthin' about "Haute Horology", but it sure makes for picking up some hot whores!!

did somebody mentioned Hot Whores?? IM with you JJ!!!

[AIKO]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[SLS]

Originally Posted by boa2

No. Nor is Rolex trying to be.

Pizza isn't filet mignon either, but it's every bit as gratifying.

Damn, I wish I would have thought of that!
Scott

[Lamone]

Originally Posted by Alcan

"Is Rolex Haute Horology?"

To me that would be a bit of a stretch.

x2

[mattluczy]

Originally Posted by boa2

No. Nor is Rolex trying to be.

Pizza isn't filet mignon either, but it's every bit as gratifying.

Well, the day Rolex is considered "pizza" when something like a Lange is considered "filet mignon", I'll be over my love of watches.

Let's keep in mind that, although Rolex could be considered by some to be only the beginning of high-end timepieces, they are a helluva lot more expensive, and of higher quality, than the great majority of watches on Planet Earth. A Rolex is a Rolex. I see a lot of posts that could lead one to believe that we all wear a watch equivalent of a Timex compared to the "elite" makers. Rolex itself is already the upper echelon of watchmaking. Lange & Sohne, Patek Philliipe, etc, are the *decimal places* in the world of watchmaking. I myself believe that those "decimal places" are in fact a higher quality timepiece, however. There is an attention to detail and perfection that just doesn't exist in any Rolex watch. It can't. Lange and Patek don't care about selling a million watches a year, and why should they? They have their place, and I'm sure they're quite glad that many people believe it to be at the top. It's not a bad thing... like I said, give me my grail Daytona over anything that the haute makers can produce, but when I look at one of those watches through a loupe, it hits me in a way that no Rolex could.

_Matt/

P.S.: For what it's worth:

Rolex = filet mignon
Lange & Sohne = Wagyu beef. :D

[finn]

Rolex is still the King of watch at least in the rolex forum. I think most people here know that there are more expensive and better watch other than Rolex, but Most are here to talk about rolex.

If they need to look and talk about other watch band, they can do a search on the internet and go to those forum.

[cody p]

Originally Posted by finn

Rolex is still the King of watch at least in the rolex forum. I think most people here know that there are more expensive and better watch other than Rolex, but Most are here to talk about rolex.

If they need to look and talk about other watch band, they can do a search on the internet and go to those forum.

and what about discussing rolex comparatively vis-a-vis other brands?

personally i think we should be able to do it here - but experience has taught me otherwise. oh well, it is what it is!

[Omega_Precision]

OP's question....

No, but some can argue that the movement in the YMII is horology at it's finest. A very innovative movement.

[boa2]

Originally Posted by Omega_Precision

OP's question....

No, but some can argue that the movement in the YMII is horology at it's finest. A very innovative movement.

So true. I don't know why the YMII slips my mind so often, but it's quite an engineering marvel. And it's look has really grown on me, I must say.

[Gasoil4ever]

To me its just HOT horlogerie ...

[boa2]

Originally Posted by Gasoil4ever

To me its just HOT horlogerie ...

Love it! Thanks for making me smile!

[Gasoil4ever]

[Jedi]

Originally Posted by jclevoy

Can you dive with that other high-end crap? No, because those other companies make jewelry, not functional equipment.

Just my 2c

A fairly ignorant post.

Pretty downright stupid.

And the back up isn't much better either.

No one in their right mind would expect a true haute horlogerie piece to be a dive watch. It simply isn't a valid comparison, therefore the point of this post, is well, quite retaliatory and irrational with regards to the original post.

[Jedi]

Originally Posted by jclevoy

In my book Audemars Piguet's Offshore Scuba is still not a functional dive watch. How do you set the inner bezel?? Correct me if I am wrong, but the user must unscrew the crown to set the inner bezel thus compromising water resistance if the diver is already in the water

The only watch company to get this right is IWC. The upper crown on the IWC Aquatimer is water resistant UNSCREWED for something like 30meters so that the user can actually set the inner bezel timer once the diver is in the water




PADI divers that dive once a year on vacation use dive computers.

But I will not get into the whole issue of why dive computers are more of a hindrance than a benefit.

Why the heck are you wearing one then?

[Jackxv]

First in serial production of wristchronometers
First in closing a case 100% , even 10000ft. +
First in rotor driven automatics , also chronometer
First with date (later with day) apperture on the dial

Somebody remember the Submariner , Tru-beat , GMT master , Milgauss , Oysterquarz. All of them unique and exceptional watches at that time (and still ! , excuse me for the others not mentioning)

Yes , Rolex suffered a bad quality control in some decades resulting in discoloured dials which are very sought after now.

When a movement has a Geneva Seal , extra soigne it can be considered superb, this does not only refer to the decoration but to the complete movement.


The only shame Rolex has on it is they won't service old watches because the lack of parts.

"Rolex did to horlogery what Elvis did to music"

[Jason71]

Originally Posted by Jedi

Why the heck are you wearing one then?

Good catch Lee

That was about 2 dives before the $800 digital dive computer (POS) quit functioning while I was on an island where it couldn't be serviced, and I was out of luck for a computer. Sad fact was that I still had about 3 days of diving and about 12 more dives that I was entitled to do. THAT was the day that I chose to give up my dive computer and toss it in a bin. Do you know how many times I have been on a diveboat now, and have seen someone that has not been diving in a while, and they are fiddling with their computer and can't seem to get it to function properly?? Sad, VERY sad.

Originally Posted by Jedi

A fairly ignorant post.

Pretty downright stupid.

And the back up isn't much better either.

No one in their right mind would expect a true haute horlogerie piece to be a dive watch. It simply isn't a valid comparison, therefore the point of this post, is well, quite retaliatory and irrational with regards to the original post.

Interesting. I visited their website (http://www.hauteHorlogerie.org/en/pl...ing-perimeter/) and there were several brands listed that make a "pseudo" dive watch. I guess this is just the wrong thread for me because I like true tool watches that can take a beating and still come out functioning the way it is supposed to. I guess I am a bit narrow-minded, because the only type of auto-watch that appeals to me is a functional diver. Not some highly decorated masterpiece with a exhibition caseback so that I can "ooh and ahhh" at how neat it looks.

Originally Posted by Jedi

A fairly ignorant post.

Pretty downright stupid.

1. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE (and WE MEAN IT). We love to joke around here but, the joking stops as soon as someone stops laughing.And remember the forum language is plain English only as thats what most members speak.


2. RESPECT THE OPINION AND CHOICES OF OTHERS. Example: If someone puts their Sea Dweller on a Pink and baby blue nato strap, that's their business. Clicking the back button on your browser is very simple, besides its not like you have to wear it.....




Thanks for being so diplomatic and for following the rules though.

[simoesm]

Originally Posted by jclevoy

Can you dive with that other high-end crap? No, because those other companies make jewelry, not functional equipment.

Just my 2c

Could not agree more...

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by Jedi

A fairly ignorant post.

Pretty downright stupid.

And the back up isn't much better either.

No one in their right mind would expect a true haute horlogerie piece to be a dive watch. It simply isn't a valid comparison, therefore the point of this post, is well, quite retaliatory and irrational with regards to the original post.

Pein,
Thought the fan boys were broadening their horizons as we haven't had this "us versus them" rash of threads for awhile around here. Appears not to be the case. Actually, it could still be the case and they have simply been replaced by others freshly armed with a new Rolex ( or ahem three) and a "post it" marking the half way point in their first issue of WatchTime.
Too bad really, because any type of comparison of brand or model thread very quickly devolves into baseless attacks (in both directions at times) like before. Remember the "don't clap with a PP on" or you'll destroy the movement assertions? Yea, really informed posts like that.