Parmigiani Fleurier question

[smg8]

Hi All,

Interested to know of anyone UK posters experience of trying on any PF watches.

I have started to become interested in the Tonda GT and Tondagraph range but both look absolutely amazing.

I am keen to try half a dozen of the variants on so I can see which I like, however having contacted one of their official sellers as listed on the PF website they informed me that the watches are made to order, and I'd need to put a deposit down to get one made to try on. Obviously without trying it on I don't know if I want to get it made, seems a bit chicken and egg (though not really as we all know which is meant to come first here!)

Have any fellow UK posters had a different experience in trying to try these amazing looking things on? Any pointers greatly appreciated as always

[GB-man]

Sounds like complete nonsense. Choose another PF retailer and contact PF customer service to alert them to this behavior.

(Contrary to what my name may suggest I’m not in the UK lol)

[flyguy33]

I’m not in the UK either, but I was able to try on both the Tonda GT and Tondagraph in January at the Vegas AD (did this during a layover at the airport). That sealed the deal for me to order my Tonda PF, which I believe are all spoken for through 2022 production.

I agree with GB-man you should all around some more.

[smg8]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Sounds like complete nonsense. Choose another PF retailer and contact PF customer service to alert them to this behavior.

(Contrary to what my name may suggest I’m not in the UK lol)

Haha, whenever I've seen you post I've assumed you are in the UK

Thanks both, will email PF directly today

[Watchristic]

I ordered the ultra thin without seeing one in the flesh. I guess it’s FOMO in my case


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[LVx2]

That dealer is just trying not to get stuck with inventory, which had been a problem with other references.
Tonda GT has proven the turning point for the brand and the Tonda PF continues the momentum.

I’ve tried both and the GT is larger, thicker but more sporty and has some lovely colour combos. Almost bought the PF on first try but wanted to see the chronograph. Then saw the PF annual calendar, which is very nice actually. Then considered the 20 piece green GT but passed and now all gone. Now there’s a red and a grey GT and the new PF GMT to consider. Also, the GT cyclops is hot.

Rex gold GT with blue dial on rubber 100 piece is perhaps the best looking of all.

Lots going on and some gorgeous watches!

[smg8]

Originally Posted by Watchristic

I ordered the ultra thin without seeing one in the flesh. I guess it’s FOMO in my case


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Has it landed? Was it a good decision? Would love to see a pic, not enough PF's on the forum!

[smg8]

Originally Posted by LVx2

That dealer is just trying not to get stuck with inventory, which had been a problem with other references.
Tonda GT has proven the turning point for the brand and the Tonda PF continues the momentum.

I’ve tried both and the GT is larger, thicker but more sporty and has some lovely colour combos. Almost bought the PF on first try but wanted to see the chronograph. Then saw the PF annual calendar, which is very nice actually. Then considered the 20 piece green GT but passed and now all gone. Now there’s a red and a grey GT and the new PF GMT to consider. Also, the GT cyclops is hot.

Rex gold GT with blue dial on rubber 100 piece is perhaps the best looking of all.

Lots going on and some gorgeous watches!

This is kind of the problem, there are so many that look good but really need to see them in person.

Do I want annual calendar or not? Do I want rubber or steel? Do I want panda dial or black? Etc etc!

All would become clear if I could try them on.....

Just waiting to hear back from PF and hoping they have some sensible suggestions

[ap1]

They had an amazing WnW, I’m hoping they take off.

[LVx2]

Originally Posted by smg8

This is kind of the problem, there are so many that look good but really need to see them in person.

Do I want annual calendar or not? Do I want rubber or steel? Do I want panda dial or black? Etc etc!

All would become clear if I could try them on.....

Just waiting to hear back from PF and hoping they have some sensible suggestions

You probably don’t need to try everything.

Sizes for the different models are consistent so one version of each will help guide you.

There’s a good video from Revolution with the ceo where they go over the 2022 w&w releases. Worth checking out on YouTube.

[smg8]

Originally Posted by LVx2

You probably don’t need to try everything.

Sizes for the different models are consistent so one version of each will help guide you.

There’s a good video from Revolution with the ceo where they go over the 2022 w&w releases. Worth checking out on YouTube.

Thanks for this, yes I've been lots of reading reviews/watching YouTube videos and down to 3 that I am interested in which is good going considering the starting point!

[Henrimontgomery]

That’s ridiculous. Refuse just for principle.

[LVx2]

Originally Posted by smg8

Thanks for this, yes I've been lots of reading reviews/watching YouTube videos and down to 3 that I am interested in which is good going considering the starting point!

Haha, yes three is reasonable!

They’ve got a very attractive lineup now, in pure looks and in pure watchmaking.

Actually going to try the PF annual calendar again today…

[smg8]

Adding a couple of pics of my favourites as this thread deserves some. Images borrowed from google, not my own.

[LVx2]

Some pics from today PF annual calendar vs Rolex blnr size and wrist shot, tough lighting

[fullofboats]

Does anyone know the lug to lug length of the PF or how it sits relative to a 41mm AP? I’m considering one but it’s impossible to see in person now. Curious if it’s closer to the 41mm AP or (hopefully) 39mm AP.

[youthagainsttt]

You'd have to jump through hoops to try one on, I'd say they are really "trying it on" themselves

Hoping that was an April fools prank by the AD

[smg8]

Originally Posted by LVx2

Some pics from today PF annual calendar vs Rolex blnr size and wrist shot, tough lighting

Thanks for sharing, looks great

[smg8]

Originally Posted by youthagainsttt

You'd have to jump through hoops to try one on, I'd say they are really "trying it on" themselves

Hoping that was an April fools prank by the AD

Ha indeed. I emailed PF direct to see if they can help, still awaiting a response

[ap1]

Originally Posted by smg8

Ha indeed. I emailed PF direct to see if they can help, still awaiting a response

What do you expect the manufacturer to say? You have to contact authorized dealers to try one one. These days with low inventory, buying unseen is not that uncommon anymore.

[GB-man]

Unfortunately I live in a market where anything outside of Rolex or omega would require a 2 hour drive to see. I bought my PF without having ever handled any parmigiani lol

I have pretty much bought all my watches that way since 2016-17 when the market made shopping in store a waste of time.

[smg8]

Originally Posted by ap1

What do you expect the manufacturer to say? You have to contact authorized dealers to try one one. These days with low inventory, buying unseen is not that uncommon anymore.

I expect the manufacturer to tell me whether what the AD I contacted told me is accurate, in so much as the only way I can try a watch on before buying it is to pay a deposit and have one made specifically for me. That doesn't seem a normal way of spending £15k on a watch to me.

[ap1]

Originally Posted by smg8

I expect the manufacturer to tell me whether what the AD I contacted told me is accurate, in so much as the only way I can try a watch on before buying it is to pay a deposit and have one made specifically for me. That doesn't seem a normal way of spending £15k on a watch to me.

You don’t need them to tell you that it’s bogus which it clearly is. It’s not a sandwich


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[LVx2]

Originally Posted by fullofboats

Does anyone know the lug to lug length of the PF or how it sits relative to a 41mm AP? I’m considering one but it’s impossible to see in person now. Curious if it’s closer to the 41mm AP or (hopefully) 39mm AP.

The PF line will wear smaller in wrist span than AP RO.

The 42mm annual calendar I tried doesn’t wear as big, across the span, as a 41mm RO. The 40mm pf three hand will actually also wear smaller in that way, compared to my 39mm RO. In both cases the dial will however appear slightly larger.

The PF has a form fitting downturn and the bracelet wrap doesn’t protrude initially from the case as do the AP ROs.

So, without any measurements, and speaking from memory without doing a direct comparison with your question in mind, I would say the 40mm PF wears closer to a 39mm AP RO than to a 41mm.

[rag5178]

I was hoping I could get the two-hander and the new GMT Rattrapante together in person to decide which one I preferred, but it seems like the wait list for these is quickly growing and may soon be so long as to prevent me from wanting to order. I may just have to decide sight unseen.

[LVx2]

Originally Posted by rag5178

I was hoping I could get the two-hander and the new GMT Rattrapante together in person to decide which one I preferred, but it seems like the wait list for these is quickly growing and may soon be so long as to prevent me from wanting to order. I may just have to decide sight unseen.

It’s crazy, the PF three hand I saw got snapped up and now only two more for the year, in November or December! The PF chronograph still hasn’t even come in since the launch last year.

Now with the GMT Rattrapante and Skeletons plus the insane Tourbillon to produce I would expect availability to actually shrink rather than increase for the existing models.

Good for them!

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by LVx2

Now with the GMT Rattrapante and Skeletons plus the insane Tourbillon to produce I would expect availability to actually shrink rather than increase for the existing models.

Good for them!

Well-earned too, bravo!

With known sales now assured, adding more highly-talented watchmakers.... Then eventually more models, add more watchmakers... slowly over time.

Keep in mind, 30 years from now, today we're just at the near beginnings....

Hey, remember waaaay back when Czapek made that incredible....

[LVx2]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Well-earned too, bravo!

With known sales now assured, adding more highly-talented watchmakers.... Then eventually more models, add more watchmakers... slowly over time.

Keep in mind, 30 years from now, today we're just at the near beginnings....

Hey, remember waaaay back when Czapek made that incredible....

Haha, who? The thread is about Parmigiani Fleurier but we get it, you bought a Czapek, lol

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by LVx2

The PF line will wear smaller in wrist span than AP RO.

The 42mm annual calendar I tried doesn’t wear as big, across the span, as a 41mm RO. The 40mm pf three hand will actually also wear smaller in that way, compared to my 39mm RO. In both cases the dial will however appear slightly larger.

The PF has a form fitting downturn and the bracelet wrap doesn’t protrude initially from the case as do the AP ROs.

So, without any measurements, and speaking from memory without doing a direct comparison with your question in mind, I would say the 40mm PF wears closer to a 39mm AP RO than to a 41mm.

Your assessment is spot on as someone who has owned multiple 41 RO, the 15202 and Tonda PF micro rotor. You can think of the PF as a very close size comparison to the jumbo except it wears with more heft due to the platinum bezel and micro rotor. Bonus is the 100m wr.

~7” wrist

[dchang81]

The PF line looks really sharp, they did a great job