Gene Hackman

[Rebel]

Rip

[stockae92]

Rip. :(

[T4ME]

Wag the Dog was iconic

[Dr. Robert]

Vaya con Dios

Any film I have seen with him in it has been excellent.


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[White Collar Boy]

Almost as important to the appeal of the first Superman movies for me as Christopher Reeve was. He was so charismatic and funny, and had real gravitas. Amazing and beloved actor.

May they all rest in peace.

[0nly5iv3Digits]

*UPDATE*

Death of Hackman and wife now deemed "suspicious" by authorities

[THC]

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[INC]

Originally Posted by 0nly5iv3Digits

*UPDATE*

Death of Hackman and wife now deemed "suspicious" by authorities

RIP

I hope they find out what caused this tragedy :(

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by 0nly5iv3Digits

*UPDATE*

Death of Hackman and wife now deemed "suspicious" by authorities

LOL. That should have been obvious from the outset with two people deceased and a dog.

[0nly5iv3Digits]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

LOL. That should have been obvious from the outset with two people deceased and a dog.

My feeling from the outset as well. Especially the dog... found deceased in a closet...? Just coincidence, ofc.

Early reporting seemed disingenuously optimistic

[KatGirl]

Well, they figured it out. Wife died suddenly of respiratory failure, secondary to Hanta Virus, days before Gene died of cardiac arrest, from severe heart disease. Apparently, Gene had pretty severe Alzheimer’s, and was incapable of calling anyone for help. So, poor Gene was alone and helpless for days before he died. So, both died of natural causes. Verdict is still out on the dog, though he was in the crate, because he had undergone a medical procedure recently. Very sad that no one had checked on them, for several weeks. Of course the Hanta Virus finding is pretty scary, too.

Kat


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[cop414]

What a sad situation…

[Beo3]

Terrible that his daughter, who has said "I have a close relationship with my father" hadn't called him in months.

It is so sad that he was forgotten by his own family and left to die.

[77T]

Yes - such a sad situation. Yet, she cared for him in the home - apparently single-handedly - and he maybe didn't know or suffer - but a sobering end to 3 lives due to rat droppings.
(So it seems...)


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[77T]

Originally Posted by Beo3

Terrible that his daughter, who has said "I have a close relationship with my father" hadn't called him in months.

It is so sad that he was forgotten by his own family and left to die.

Was it possible Gene's wife was keeping in touch with his daughter?

Remember he had likely forgotten his own daughter's name...


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[Beo3]

Originally Posted by 77T

Was it possible Gene's wife was keeping in touch with his daughter?

Remember he had likely forgotten his own daughter's name...


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It could be, but Christ, you don't check in daily with your 97 year father who has dementia?

If she was in contact with the wife, she herself was dead several days earlier than Gene Hackman and maybe not hearing from her would have raised some flags.

Sorry if I am pontificating, I've just been witness to so much death in my life and know exactly what occurred naturally to their bodies. It's not something you want to happen to anyone that you care for.

My dad is 87, widowed (My mother passed 25 years ago), lives alone and is cognitively sharper than I will ever be.

I still call him daily (if I don't visit him) to make sure he's still among us.

I just find it unfathomable that elderly parents are sometimes forgotten by their children.

[AzPaul]

He didn't deserve this.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

He didn't deserve this.

No one does. It’s a sobering reminder to have a talk with our own children, as many of us are aging. I am going to remind my kids to check in on us several times a week. I know they all have their own busy lives, but a few extra calls won’t interfere much.

Kat


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[1William]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

He didn't deserve this.

"Deserve has nothing to do with it." Eastwood statement to Hackman from Unforgiven. A sad story that is probably repeated too many times for us to even know.

[Calatrava r]

So now we know all the details. It is very sad his wife caught a rare virus and died so young. She was apparently Gene's caretaker, and he was left alone for the week period between her passing and his. They wanted their privacy and that contributed to the terrible situation in the end with no-one checking in with them on a regular basis as far as we know.

[INC]

Please do not take this as an insult, I am just curious:

Is there really no solution in the US for the elderly to automatically call for help in case of a fall/health problem? Maybe they have a "smart watch" that monitors them? Hackman would have definitely forgotten to put it on, but maybe the paramedics would have helped his wife if they had arrived in time... which could have saved Gene too.

I do not think anyone deserves to die like that... :(

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

So now we know all the details. It is very sad his wife caught a rare virus and died so young. She was apparently Gene's caretaker, and he was left alone for the week period between her passing and his. They wanted their privacy and that contributed to the terrible situation in the end with no-one checking in with them on a regular basis as far as we know.

Somebody delivered their dog, (after it's medical procedure) in a cage, and saw nothing of concern?

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Somebody delivered their dog, (after it's medical procedure) in a cage, and saw nothing of concern?

I never heard but I would think she/they picked up the dog from the vet and she put it in the cage so it would rest and not run around. When she died there was no one to let the dog out or give food and water to it. The other two dogs survived as they were not in cages and found water. Our golden years ago would drink water from a commode.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by INC

Please do not take this as an insult, I am just curious:

Is there really no solution in the US for the elderly to automatically call for help in case of a fall/health problem? Maybe they have a "smart watch" that monitors them? Hackman would have definitely forgotten to put it on, but maybe the paramedics would have helped his wife if they had arrived in time... which could have saved Gene too.

I do not think anyone deserves to die like that... :(

This is but one.

https://www.lifealert.com/

[INC]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

This is but one.

Thanks!

Based on this, I can imagine that many people do not have the money for such a service. Mostly those who are poorer and would need it more.

However in Gene's case, I simply do not understand why they did not subscribe to this or another similar service? In his condition, it could have been needed at any time... when, for example, his wife went shopping.

And if it is true that they did not keep in touch with anyone so much and that no one was interested in their fate, that no one would look at them for weeks, no one would call them for so long, then why did they not do anything to ensure that they "would not be alone" if something happened? It is more like they were isolating themselves from the world and did not want to be seen in this state. This is understandable in cases of advanced dementia, but perhaps this was an exaggeration. It's possible that his wife never thought that her illness could get her into so much trouble, and it's possible that she never thought that she could have a huge health problem and die suddenly.

This question will probably never be answered. But perhaps another lesson about elderly relatives.

[samson66]

Originally Posted by INC

Please do not take this as an insult, I am just curious:

Is there really no solution in the US for the elderly to automatically call for help in case of a fall/health problem? Maybe they have a "smart watch" that monitors them? Hackman would have definitely forgotten to put it on, but maybe the paramedics would have helped his wife if they had arrived in time... which could have saved Gene too.

I do not think anyone deserves to die like that... :(

I use Medical Alert for my mother. She wears it on a necklass or wrapped around her wrist. It has a fall detector and it works very well. In fact a little TOO well at times. She has had it go off without falling once or twice and they call immediately to check on her. If she replies all is well that's the end of it. Any lack of respnse and the ambulance is sent. Highly recommend for anyone with older relatives living on their own. There are many different companies that offer this.

[AzPaul]

Originally Posted by INC

Thanks!

Based on this, I can imagine that many people do not have the money for such a service. Mostly those who are poorer and would need it more.

However in Gene's case, I simply do not understand why they did not subscribe to this or another similar service? In his condition, it could have been needed at any time... when, for example, his wife went shopping.

And if it is true that they did not keep in touch with anyone so much and that no one was interested in their fate, that no one would look at them for weeks, no one would call them for so long, then why did they not do anything to ensure that they "would not be alone" if something happened? It is more like they were isolating themselves from the world and did not want to be seen in this state. This is understandable in cases of advanced dementia, but perhaps this was an exaggeration. It's possible that his wife never thought that her illness could get her into so much trouble, and it's possible that she never thought that she could have a huge health problem and die suddenly.

This question will probably never be answered. But perhaps another lesson about elderly relatives.

In Hackman's case, his wife was a constant caregiver so I can understand where having an emergency button to push wasn't viewed as necessary. Unfortunately for both of them, her death was unexpected and sudden. Just bad luck all around.

[INC]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

In Hackman's case, his wife was a constant caregiver so I can understand where having an emergency button to push wasn't viewed as necessary. Unfortunately for both of them, her death was unexpected and sudden. Just bad luck all around.

I did not mean to blame him, her or anyone else. She was "young", I do not think she had any idea that anything bad could happen, let alone something this bad. I also agree that this must have been an unforeseen sudden death, which almost certainly meant she would not have had the opportunity to press the button. Moreover, even if she had, help would not have been able to reach her in time.

However, based on the information so far, it seems that precisely because she fell suddenly, the "fall sensor" would have notified the operators, meaning Gene would have had a chance to live longer. After all, leaving an Alzheimer's patient alone for a week will definitely lead to death.

So I only wrote all this because it is a good example of how no matter how famous and rich someone is, they can still be so abandoned that they die such a humiliating and pitiful death, all alone. That is why I was reminded of that scene in "The Firm" when a woman left him alone in bed and he knew "it's all over"...

Lesson learned!

[Old Expat Beast]

For someone in Mr Hackman's condition, rather than a call button, maybe a kind of dead-man's switch would've been better (like for train drivers), whereby help is alerted if the button isn't pushed at certain intervals.

[THC]

He should’ve have been in a home (not his own)

Net worth of 80 mil he should’ve been monitored his last number of years