Minute Hand Faster Than Second Hand?

[Paul Raposo]

Hey all.

Last week I bought an early 80's 16013. This watch has been serviced by Rolex Canada in early 2009, and came with the inner box, papers, booklets, and the service warranty paper from Rolex Canada.

I've noticed that it's losing 5 seconds per day. I'm continuing to watch this and will report the results here.

My question is, if I take the watch to Rolex Canada, will they regulate the movement to run a few seconds fast, or would I have to do another servicing?

I've noticed sometimes the minute hand is ahead of the second hand. What I mean is, going by the second hand, the watch lost 5 seconds today. But the minute hand shows a +/-0 deviation. Other times, the minute hand is behind the second hand. Is this normal?

[Rikki]

Normal gear lash they will always be off and on from time to time. It you hack the s/s at 12 then set the minute to the exact center of any marker and watch for a few minutes they will eventually be off and than catch up also dials aren't perfectly concentric and markers can be off by 1/10 of a mm which would have the same affect. My suggestion would be to bring it to a Century21 Qualified watchmaker for adjustment and call it a day. Rikki

[Paul Raposo]

Originally Posted by Rikki

Normal gear lash they will always be off and on from time to time. It you hack the s/s at 12 then set the minute to the exact center of any marker and watch for a few minutes they will eventually be off and than catch up also dials aren't perfectly concentric and markers can be off by 1/10 of a mm which would have the same affect. My suggestion would be to bring it to a Century21 Qualified watchmaker for adjustment and call it a day. Rikki

Thank you for the information, Rikki. I'll have to file this away for future reference.

Are there any Century21 certified watchmakers in Canada? If I can't find one, would Rolex Canada do the regulating for me? If it weren't a 3035 movement, I'd do it myself, but I don't want to have to buy a microstella wrench, and I don't really feel confident doing the adjustments myself if I had one.

[Paul Raposo]

I thought I'd post my daily timing rates here.

From Sunday 7:26PM to Monday 7:26PM -5 seconds

I plan to check the watch nightly until Sunday night.

[kilyung]

It's a quick adjustment if taken to a RSC. They'll tell you if it needs to be serviced or just regulated.

[padi56]

[Paul Raposo]

Thanks for that scan, padi56. I have seen it before, and I always leave my watches dial up overnight, including this 16013. But it still runs slow, rather than fast.

[Paul Raposo]

Originally Posted by kilyung

It's a quick adjustment if taken to a RSC. They'll tell you if it needs to be serviced or just regulated.

Thank you for the info, kilyung. Would the movement need servicing already, after 34 months?

[Rikki]

Possibly

[MoBe]

Originally Posted by Rikki

Possibly

Why would a movement need service again after only 34 months,seems wrong?

[Rikki]

It all depends on how rough a life it had heat cold so and so forth it's hard to predict how long they will last too many variables. I had repairs last 15 years and some 3 or 4 I can't explain it I just experience and know it. Rikki

[Paul Raposo]

Originally Posted by Rikki

It all depends on how rough a life it had heat cold so and so forth it's hard to predict how long they will last too many variables. I had repairs last 15 years and some 3 or 4 I can't explain it I just experience and know it. Rikki

When I bought the watch from the original owner, he stated that because of his job, he had only worn it for about 10 months since it had been serviced, and always after work, and on weekends. I don't know if this info helps, but I don't think the watch has been knocked about too much, since it looks like it came back from Rolex yesterday, without any of the usual scratches, and dents you'd expect to see from a watch that had endured abuse.

I'm just assuming the watch left servicing running slow, and because the owner rarely wore it, he never really noticed, or just didn't care.

[Paul Raposo]

Originally Posted by Paul Raposo

When I bought the watch from the original owner, he stated that because of his job, he had only worn it for about 10 months since it had been serviced, and always after work, and on weekends. I don't know if this info helps, but I don't think the watch has been knocked about too much, since it looks like it came back from Rolex yesterday, without any of the usual scratches, and dents you'd expect to see from a watch that had endured abuse.

I'm just assuming the watch left servicing running slow, and because the owner rarely wore it, he never really noticed, or just didn't care.

I should also note that the movement looses most of it's seconds overnight, laying dial up. Usually between 12:30AM and when I put it on before leaving the house, around 9:30AM.

When I took it off last night, it was -6 seconds, and this morning, it was -10 seconds. I'll post the 24 hour rate in about an hour.

[Paul Raposo]

From Monday 7:26PM to Tuesday 7:26PM -12 seconds

[handsfull]

Send it to Rikki. Quick, easy.

[Paul Raposo]

Tuesday 7:26PM to Wednesday 7:26PM -16 seconds

The movement lost 3 seconds overnight, but only 1 second throughout the day.

[Paul Raposo]

Wednesday 7:26PM to Thursday 7:26PM -21 seconds

The movement lost 2 seconds overnight, and 3 seconds throughout the day.

[GradyPhilpott]

Wait a second.

Are you citing cumulative figures?

If your running a pretty consistent -5 seconds a day, that's pretty good and a regulation is no big deal and can be done in pretty quickly, too.

Am I interpreting your data correctly?

[Paul Raposo]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Wait a second.
Are you citing cumulative figures?
If your running a pretty consistent -5 seconds a day, that's pretty good and a regulation is no big deal and can be done in pretty quickly, too.
Am I interpreting your data correctly?

Hi Grady.

Yeah, I'm just noting the cumulative number of seconds lost, rather than the specific loss per day.

So for example, yesterday I noted a total loss of 21 seconds since Sunday night, but from Wednesday night to Thursday night over that particular 24 hour period, the watch lost 5 seconds.

What surprises me is that the movement looses most of it's seconds when i leave it dial up overnight. Throughout the day it will loose about 1 second, maybe slightly more. But overnight it will loose 3-4 seconds.

So the total loss so far is -21 seconds, but the daily loss looks like this:

S-M -5
M-T -7
T-W -4
W-T -5

I'll post the final result tonight, for a five day total, then divide that number by 5 to get an average.

As of 12:10PM this afternoon, the watch is running -26 seconds. I'll note the last number tonight around 7:30PM.

What surprises me is that the movement will loose most of its seconds overnight, dial up. Throughout the day it will loose about 1 second. But overnight it can loose 3-4 seconds.

[Paul Raposo]

Thursday 7:26PM to Friday 7:26PM -26 seconds

S-M -5
M-T -7
T-W -4
W-T -5
T-F -5

Average daily loss was -5.2 seconds

I called Rolex Canada this morning and spoke with someone in the service department who said I could bring the watch in, and a technician would decide if the watch just needed an adjustment, or servicing. But she felt since it was so soon after the last servicing, that it would most likely just need to be regulated. I'll be going there next week, and I'll post about what happens.

[Paul Raposo]

Originally Posted by Paul Raposo

Thursday 7:26PM to Friday 7:26PM -26 seconds

S-M -5
M-T -7
T-W -4
W-T -5
T-F -5

Average daily loss was -5.2 seconds

So any opinions on how this movement is running?