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Lol-x · 28 April 2008, 08:24 PM

I purchased a Genuine Vintage Rolex Submariner Watch Box set 80'S-90'S" (click to see) advertised on the vintagerolexforum.com on 11 April at 11:02 a.m.

You can check the listing by looking at the date and time (its on about page 9 of the for sales forum at the moment)

Rolex.man007 posted the Submariner box depicting clearly in the second photograph a vintage Rolex box with "Creation Geneva Rolex" printed on the inside lid.

What he sent me was a box with just the single word "Rolex" printed on the inside lid. i.e. A totally different and more modern box than depicted.

Of the 3 photographs shown in the for sale listing, it was only the second photo that very clearly inside lid stated "Creation Geneva Rolex". Surprisingly, that second photo is the only photo that has, since I sent the money to the seller, been deleted from the for sale thread.

I don't get this seller, he showed one thing and sent another, what's more he didn't even respond when he got caught out.

Further, the advertisement said "Genuine Vintage Rolex Submariner Watch Box set"

The Submariner booklet is dated 1.2007 and the Oyster booklet is dated 2.2005 so again what was represented and what was sent are 2 entirely different things.

I feel so let down by this seller that he would dishonestly do this to me.

Rob_b · 28 April 2008, 09:45 PM

Steve, I'm sorry to hear that

. But thanks for sharing this with us

. This is a game where a good reputation is hard earned and easilly lost. Makes you wonder about handing over a large amount of cash to this dealer for a rolex purchase, don't it

Rob.

2careless · 28 April 2008, 09:45 PM

Steve, have you raised this issue within vintagerolexforum? or watchnet Deal Watch?
Is the seller active traders in these communities? If yes, then maybe you can get something back. I saw a guy with a bad deal threatened to root out the bad seller in watchnet and the seller capitualated. Good luck...

Hamilton Carvalho · 28 April 2008, 09:48 PM

What a disgraceful thing to do, it is just unacceptable. I'm sorry about that Steve. It shows he has no respect for himself for going so low like this.

Scarface · 28 April 2008, 09:50 PM

Bastids

Attila · 28 April 2008, 10:09 PM

I am sorry to hear, Steve, hopefully you can resolve this quickly and correctly!

Chappy · 28 April 2008, 10:11 PM

thanks for posting this for us ... Sorry that the seller scammed you ... please let us know how this works out for you

Colin

mike · 28 April 2008, 10:21 PM

Steve, have you contacted Richard over there? He might be able to help. Man, I'm sorry.

Terry Newton · 28 April 2008, 10:34 PM

Steve:

I agree with all of the suggestions to out this guy around the forums if he does not give you your money back. I would also let the guy know your intentions if he does not comply and then follow through with a set time period in mind.

I'm sorry this has happened to you. I detest cons and thieves when the easiest thing in life is to do useful things.

Please let us know how this situation turns out.

Terry Newton

CoopJr · 28 April 2008, 10:51 PM

Thanks for letting us know Steve...sorry to hear this.

jac67 · 29 April 2008, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

Steve, have you contacted Richard over there? He might be able to help. Man, I'm sorry.

Hey Steve, sorry to hear that.

I was going to say the same as Mike. Send Richard Carver email at VRF. He and his crew will go the extra distance to nail this jerk AND hopefully get your money back.

Richard hates it when someone disrespects his forum.

Man, I could have told you those booklets (especially the green one) wasn't vintage.

I hope it works out for you pal.

John.

Gedanken · 29 April 2008, 12:49 AM

Bummer, man. Apart from contacting Richard, can you use the body used for the payment (e.g. Visa, PayPal) to lodge a dispute?

oneillba · 29 April 2008, 01:10 AM

Steve, thanks for sharing your experience. I consider you somewhat of an expert compared to my knowledge of on line sales, etc. It just goes to show that anyone of us can be cheated by an online source. You've got all the advice above. All I can add is my condolence for your experience.

JJ Irani · 29 April 2008, 04:05 AM

That's downright horrible!!

The pics have all been deleted now. Sorry to hear what happened, Steve.

JJ

Welshwatchman · 29 April 2008, 06:36 AM

I second the Paypal chargeback route.

stevemulholland3 · 29 April 2008, 08:58 AM

yes, chargeback via paypal or your c.c.did he use signature confirmation?if not tell paypal that you never received a thing,that way there is no chance they will not honor your claim.
good luck and let us know how this works out.
steve

Lol-x · 29 April 2008, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevemulholland3

yes, chargeback via paypal or your c.c.did he use signature confirmation?if not tell paypal that you never received a thing,that way there is no chance they will not honor your claim.
good luck and let us know how this works out.
steve

Steve, I must tell PayPal that I did receive something.

But I have received an e-mail from the seller, he asks me to send back the wrong box and he will send me the correct box. Given that I don't trust the guy should I send the box I have back or should I ask him to send the correct box to me first

I want a show of good faith by the seller, I think he should send me the correct box first. Any thoughts

Gaijin · 29 April 2008, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Steve, I must tell PayPal that I did receive something.

But I have received an e-mail from the seller, he asks me to send back the wrong box and he will send me the correct box. Given that I don't trust the guy should I send the box I have back or should I ask him to send the correct box to me first

I want a show of good faith by the seller, I think he should send me the correct box first. Any thoughts

I absolutely agree Steve. Have that slug send you the "correct" box first.

roadcarver · 29 April 2008, 11:16 AM

I hate scammers! Sorry Steve...

Rockrolex · 29 April 2008, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Steve, I must tell PayPal that I did receive something.

But I have received an e-mail from the seller, he asks me to send back the wrong box and he will send me the correct box. Given that I don't trust the guy should I send the box I have back or should I ask him to send the correct box to me first

I want a show of good faith by the seller, I think he should send me the correct box first. Any thoughts

You should have at least 30 days to dispute the charge on your credit card, Steve. I would send the wrong box back and tell him if the correct box is not received by you within 10 days (assuming that is within the 30 day window) you will dispute the charge.

springer · 29 April 2008, 12:53 PM

There are many "dubious" items sold on the vintage forum. Altered bands, dials I wouldn't touch, boxes, accessories and many self-proclaimed experts that have large egos but minimal knowledge. Frankly, I'd be real reluctant to buy anything there, I'd recommend the same to you - from a law enforcement perspective that is.

erwin · 29 April 2008, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Steve, I must tell PayPal that I did receive something.

But I have received an e-mail from the seller, he asks me to send back the wrong box and he will send me the correct box. Given that I don't trust the guy should I send the box I have back or should I ask him to send the correct box to me first

I want a show of good faith by the seller, I think he should send me the correct box first. Any thoughts

Since he is the one who screwed up, he should send you the box first!

Orchi · 29 April 2008, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

But I have received an e-mail from the seller, he asks me to send back the wrong box and he will send me the correct box. Given that I don't trust the guy should I send the box I have back or should I ask him to send the correct box to me first

I want a show of good faith by the seller, I think he should send me the correct box first. Any thoughts

Err buddy Steve...Orchi has bought an item of smaller value as advertized in VRF also...from the same seller in Hong Kong...without any untoward issue.

Perhaps it could genuinely be an unintentional mistake in packing n shipping by the Seller...to begin with.

To ERR is Human...to FORGIVE is Divine...

So please reconsider...

Orchi · 29 April 2008, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

There are many "dubious" items sold on the vintage forum. Altered bands, dials I wouldn't touch, boxes, accessories and many self-proclaimed experts that have large egos but minimal knowledge.

Frankly, I'd be real reluctant to buy anything there, I'd recommend the same to you - from a law enforcement perspective that is.

Err buddy Springer...in a similar law enforcement point of view...PLEASE do not generalized...or others MAY take your personal opinion to be biased or stereotyping...

Similarly in here...Orchi for one is new to VRF also...but lately Orchi has bought quite a number of stuffs with small to considerable worth such as vintage watch/bezel assemblies/topics/bracelet/dials/hands/boxes n other Rolex accessories...arising from the relevant FS ads posted in VRF alone.

Pleased to say in here...that the deals done from there have so far been so good...so to speak...as far as Orchi is concerned.

n personally thus far in the relatively new experience...Orchi has high regards to a number of kind n knowledgeable folks in VRF...n similarly in here also.

Nevertheless...you would be quite right to be cautious when dealing with strangers...ANY where over the world wide web.

sub2004 · 29 April 2008, 03:03 PM

Steve,

He should the correct box to you first and cover the postage/shipping.

If not, then we need to pull this guy up. Just not on.

Sorry for your experience pal.

jasonbellevue · 29 April 2008, 04:31 PM

Oh Steve, I feel your pain man. Have him do the right thing, which is to send you the correct box first. File a dispute with PayPal and or your Credit Card issuer. My credit card protects me from online scams.

Andad · 29 April 2008, 05:57 PM

Steve,

If he has advised you that he has made a mistake I would accept that and return the first item. If he was going to scam you why would he send anything, all he would achieve is to ruin all his future sales for a couple of hundred bucks.

Lol-x · 29 April 2008, 06:28 PM

I think that is right Eddie, I will be sending the box back and take my chances on it all going good.

stevemulholland3 · 29 April 2008, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Steve, I must tell PayPal that I did receive something.

But I have received an e-mail from the seller, he asks me to send back the wrong box and he will send me the correct box. Given that I don't trust the guy should I send the box I have back or should I ask him to send the correct box to me first

I want a show of good faith by the seller, I think he should send me the correct box first. Any thoughts

well good,I am glad that he has contacted you.I thought he was going to just ignore all of your e-mails.hopefully you guys can work it out.
good luck steve

Wolfgang427 · 30 April 2008, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I think that is right Eddie, I will be sending the box back and take my chances on it all going good.

Correct thing to do.

People do make mistakes, give them an opportunity to make it right before bringing the noose out.

28 April 2008, 08:24 PM	#1
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,566	I got ripped off by Rolex.man007!!!! I purchased a Genuine Vintage Rolex Submariner Watch Box set 80'S-90'S" (click to see) advertised on the vintagerolexforum.com on 11 April at 11:02 a.m. You can check the listing by looking at the date and time (its on about page 9 of the for sales forum at the moment) Rolex.man007 posted the Submariner box depicting clearly in the second photograph a vintage Rolex box with "Creation Geneva Rolex" printed on the inside lid. What he sent me was a box with just the single word "Rolex" printed on the inside lid. i.e. A totally different and more modern box than depicted. Of the 3 photographs shown in the for sale listing, it was only the second photo that very clearly inside lid stated "Creation Geneva Rolex". Surprisingly, that second photo is the only photo that has, since I sent the money to the seller, been deleted from the for sale thread. I don't get this seller, he showed one thing and sent another, what's more he didn't even respond when he got caught out. Further, the advertisement said "Genuine Vintage Rolex Submariner Watch Box set" The Submariner booklet is dated 1.2007 and the Oyster booklet is dated 2.2005 so again what was represented and what was sent are 2 entirely different things. I feel so let down by this seller that he would dishonestly do this to me. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

28 April 2008, 09:45 PM	#2
Rob_b "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Brisbane AUS Watch: SeaDweller Posts: 850	Steve, I'm sorry to hear that . But thanks for sharing this with us . This is a game where a good reputation is hard earned and easilly lost. Makes you wonder about handing over a large amount of cash to this dealer for a rolex purchase, don't it Rob. __________________ Travelling Through Time at The Speed of Life.

28 April 2008, 09:50 PM	#5
Scarface "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Minas Location: London UK Watch: Rolex , Omega Posts: 1,370	Bastids __________________ *Rolex* Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master ll *Rolex* Oyster Perpetual Datejust *Omega* Seamaster Professional Chronograph

28 April 2008, 10:34 PM	#9
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	Steve: I agree with all of the suggestions to out this guy around the forums if he does not give you your money back. I would also let the guy know your intentions if he does not comply and then follow through with a set time period in mind. I'm sorry this has happened to you. I detest cons and thieves when the easiest thing in life is to do useful things. Please let us know how this situation turns out. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

29 April 2008, 12:49 AM	#12
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	Bummer, man. Apart from contacting Richard, can you use the body used for the payment (e.g. Visa, PayPal) to lodge a dispute? __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

28 April 2008, 09:45 PM	#3
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	Steve, have you raised this issue within vintagerolexforum? or watchnet Deal Watch? Is the seller active traders in these communities? If yes, then maybe you can get something back. I saw a guy with a bad deal threatened to root out the bad seller in watchnet and the seller capitualated. Good luck...

28 April 2008, 09:48 PM	#4
Hamilton Carvalho Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New York Posts: 1,225	What a disgraceful thing to do, it is just unacceptable. I'm sorry about that Steve. It shows he has no respect for himself for going so low like this.

28 April 2008, 10:09 PM	#6
Attila Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Attila Location: VIC AUS Watch: GMT/Explorer/Sptfr Posts: 320	I am sorry to hear, Steve, hopefully you can resolve this quickly and correctly!

28 April 2008, 10:11 PM	#7
Chappy Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Colin Location: ontario, canada Watch: ND Sub 14060M cosc Posts: 217	thanks for posting this for us ... Sorry that the seller scammed you ... please let us know how this works out for you Colin

28 April 2008, 10:21 PM	#8
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Steve, have you contacted Richard over there? He might be able to help. Man, I'm sorry.

28 April 2008, 10:51 PM	#10
CoopJr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Coop Location: U.S.A. Watch: Subs Posts: 6,455	Thanks for letting us know Steve...sorry to hear this.

29 April 2008, 01:10 AM	#13
oneillba "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Brian Location: Hamilton, MI USA Watch: My beloved TT DJ Posts: 3,831	Steve, thanks for sharing your experience. I consider you somewhat of an expert compared to my knowledge of on line sales, etc. It just goes to show that anyone of us can be cheated by an online source. You've got all the advice above. All I can add is my condolence for your experience. __________________ My Trusty TT DJ

29 April 2008, 04:05 AM	#14
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	That's downright horrible!! The pics have all been deleted now. Sorry to hear what happened, Steve. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

29 April 2008, 06:36 AM	#15
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	I second the Paypal chargeback route. __________________ ..33

29 April 2008, 08:58 AM	#16
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	yes, chargeback via paypal or your c.c.did he use signature confirmation?if not tell paypal that you never received a thing,that way there is no chance they will not honor your claim. good luck and let us know how this works out. steve

29 April 2008, 11:16 AM	#19
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	I hate scammers! Sorry Steve... __________________ I'm just a cook...

29 April 2008, 12:53 PM	#21
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,309	There are many "dubious" items sold on the vintage forum. Altered bands, dials I wouldn't touch, boxes, accessories and many self-proclaimed experts that have large egos but minimal knowledge. Frankly, I'd be real reluctant to buy anything there, I'd recommend the same to you - from a law enforcement perspective that is.

29 April 2008, 03:03 PM	#25
sub2004 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: South Pacific Watch: SS Daytona Posts: 643	Steve, He should the correct box to you first and cover the postage/shipping. If not, then we need to pull this guy up. Just not on. Sorry for your experience pal.

29 April 2008, 04:31 PM	#26
jasonbellevue "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Jason Location: at home Posts: 5,098	Oh Steve, I feel your pain man. Have him do the right thing, which is to send you the correct box first. File a dispute with PayPal and or your Credit Card issuer. My credit card protects me from online scams. __________________

29 April 2008, 05:57 PM	#27
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,510	Steve, If he has advised you that he has made a mistake I would accept that and return the first item. If he was going to scam you why would he send anything, all he would achieve is to ruin all his future sales for a couple of hundred bucks. __________________ E

29 April 2008, 06:28 PM	#28
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,566	I think that is right Eddie, I will be sending the box back and take my chances on it all going good. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

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