Tiger Woods enters rehab for a second time for addiction to painkillers

[KDS777]

http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/06/13...turns-to-rehab

Just as I predicted in the other thread when he first got nabbed. His money, privilege and what remaining stature, if any, will get him a special deal.

Here in Canada you normally go to jail and do not pass go for your second DUI.

[drm20]

Wow, happens to quite a few folks in the spotlight.

[breitlings]

with all due respect I don't think you should go to jail unless you injure someone during a DUI and your Blood Alcohol level is above .16. My opinion is that far too many people are jailed for trivial matters and that we should focus jailing on only very serious matters. People are literally jailed for library fines:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b06a74c9f1fd8d

http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/a...-to-jail-time/

I think diversion is the proper method for dealing with almost all misdemeanors.

[OliveSales]

Originally Posted by breitlings

with all due respect I don't think you should go to jail unless you injure someone during a DUI and your Blood Alcohol level is around .2. My opinion is that far too many people are jailed for trivial matters and that we should focus jailing on only very serious matters. People are literally jailed for library fines:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b06a74c9f1fd8d

http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/a...-to-jail-time/

I really disagree with that. They should actually be more strict in my opinion.
I was hit by a drunk driver while riding my motorcycle. It's been over a year since and it feels like the law has been working against me by being very lenient to the driver. I'm in my early 20s with nothing but knee problems. Before my crash I was a very active person and very focused on my aesthetic. FYI, this guy was drinking and driving at like 3pm.... tries to not take fault for going on the opposite side of the road and pretty much hitting me.

[breitlings]

Originally Posted by OliveSales

I really disagree with that. They should actually be more strict in my opinion.
I was hit by a drunk driver while riding my motorcycle. It's been over a year since and it feels like the law has been working against me by being very lenient to the driver. I'm in my early 20s with nothing but knee problems. Before my crash I was a very active person and very focused on my aesthetic. FYI, this guy was drinking and driving at like 3pm.... tries to not take fault for going on the opposite side of the road and pretty much hitting me.

First I am sorry about your accident. I was in a bad car accident as well that wasn't my fault the other person was in our lane as well.

However, I did say if you hit someone you should be charged and face jail time. I don't really know your case so can't comment, but there are often mitigating factors such as history. BUT I am not sure what you are disagreeing with as I advocated that people who didn't hit people shouldn't face jail time and that people who have library fines shouldn't face jail time. You shouldn't criminalize people for not having money. I also don't think you should criminalize people who have addictions but you should intervene positively and early, so I would be ok with withholding welfare for addicts.

[cda555]

I honestly hope he can get and stay clean. Aside from being an amazing talent, he is a father to young kids who deserve to have their dad.

As for the law, I think that you should feel some sort of punitive consequence regardless of whether or not people were hurt. It could be a large loss of time (classes or jail) and/or a very large fine. Just people he didn't kill anyone this time doesn't mean the potential isn't there in the future... especially if all you get is a slap on the wrist.

[breitlings]

Originally Posted by cda555

I honestly hope he can get and stay clean. Aside from being an amazing talent, he is a father to young kids who deserve to have their dad.

As for the law, I think that you should feel some sort of punitive consequence regardless of whether or not people were hurt. It could be a large loss of time (classes or jail) and/or a very large fine. Just people he didn't kill anyone this time doesn't mean the potential isn't there in the future... especially if all you get is a slap on the wrist.

there are doctors and lawyers who are very capable and highly operating drunks. I dated a doctor (primary care) who had a drinking problem. Pretty much every time she drove she would technically be drunk but she was able to drive very well, so this person could either be a doctor and a highly operating person, or face an indefinite amount of time in jail for multiple DUIs.

[OliveSales]

Originally Posted by breitlings

I did say if you hit someone you should be charged and face jail time. I don't really know your case so can't comment, but there are often mitigating factors such as history. BUT I am not sure what you are disagreeing with as I advocated that people who didn't hit people shouldn't face jail time and that people who have library fines shouldn't face jail time. You shouldn't criminalize people for not having money. I also don't think you should criminalize people who have addictions but you should intervene positively and early, so I would be ok with withholding welfare for addicts.

We definitely have different views on this, which is ok.

I don't think withholding welfare checks will solve the problem for people with alcoholism. I'd rather be part of a government who will smack down the law on people who break it, especially drinking and driving. I don't care if you have an addiction or you have problems or you're poor or whatever is going with you. The law needs to make examples of more people till they realize it's just not worth it to drink and drive. Too many alternate options like Uber/Lyft/Taxi/Bus/Train these days to make any excuse to why it's ok to endanger peoples lives.

[breitlings]

Originally Posted by OliveSales

We definitely have different views on this, which is ok.

I don't think withholding welfare checks will solve the problem for people with alcoholism. I'd rather be part of a government who will smack down the law on people who break it, especially drinking and driving. I don't care if you have an addiction or you have problems or you're poor or whatever is going with you. The law needs to make examples of more people till they realize it's just not worth it to drink and drive. Too many alternate options like Uber/Lyft/Taxi/Bus/Train these days to make any excuse to why it's ok to endanger peoples lives.

I think we will agree to disagree.

[superdog]

I wish him well.

Addiction is a terrible affliction. I hope he can beat it. And I hope he can make a comeback. Not in golf. I don't care about golf. But in life.

We've only got one, and time is fleeting. I wish him the best.

[Canefan1]

Originally Posted by superdog

i wish him well.

Addiction is a terrible affliction. I hope he can beat it. And i hope he can make a comeback. Not in golf. I don't care about golf. But in life.

We've only got one, and time is fleeting. I wish him the best.

+1.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by KDS777

http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/06/13...turns-to-rehab

Just as I predicted in the other thread when he first got nabbed. His money, privilege and what remaining stature, if any, will get him a special deal.

Here in Canada you normally go to jail and do not pass go for your second DUI.

You seem to be addicted to scandal and the misery of others.

[GB-man]

Hope he gets his head straight. I'm not going to get on a soap box because I don't know what he's going through.

[wantonebad]

This was an economic necessity and carefully orchestrated by his legal/financial team to stop the bleeding and pacify his endorsers. He had no other choice.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

This was an economic necessity and carefully orchestrated by his legal/financial team to stop the bleeding and pacify his endorsers. He had no other choice.

Regardless. It's a chance. I hope he takes advantage of it.

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by superdog

Regardless. It's a chance. I hope he takes advantage of it.

Anyone in dire need has the right to seek help, I wish him the best. Hard not to be cynical, but he doesn't need my vote or help, he needs to embrace the idea and concept of sobriety... we shall see how that goes.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

Anyone in dire need has the right to seek help, I wish him the best. Hard not to be cynical, but he doesn't need my vote or help, he needs to embrace the idea and concept of sobriety... we shall see how that goes.

so very true. time will tell. he surely does not need your vote. nor mine.

agree, hard not to be cynical...maybe even more than that. after all, he appears to have the ability to live the dream life and he is completely screwing it up. big time.

I wish I had the opportunity to life the life that his means could provide. But still, I hope the best for him.

[Watch This]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

You seem to be addicted to scandal and the misery of others.

Aren't you the guy who is always posting the "guess who just died" threads? Just saying.

[BristolCavendish]

Originally Posted by breitlings

I think diversion is the proper method for dealing with almost all misdemeanors.

Court ordered/authorized diversion programs for certain types of misdemeanors can oftentimes be quite effective providing the individual has effectively learned from his/her past indiscretion(s) in judgement. On the other hand, there will be those who complete an initial diversion program and then go on to become repeat offenders.

Sometimes there are additional court-mandated diversionary programs available for individuals who 'just didn't seem to get it' the first time. If you were the judge, where would you draw the line between ordering actual jail time vs another series of educational courses and periodic drug/alcohol testing? Would the absence of injuries and/or violence towards others be the key determining factors in your eventual decision?

The sign of an advanced and progressive civilization is one that focuses more on rehabilitation and/or restitution vs draconian retributive measures. Civil and criminal laws were essentially implemented to protect society from the various irresponsibilities/misdeeds of others and ideally, a defendant's environmental (as well as genetic/hereditary predispositions and pain-coping ability) are taken into consideration prior to rendering any judicial decision in cases such as this.

Hopefully Tiger Woods will get through this personal hurdle and resume a productive career in golf.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by Watch This

Aren't you the guy who is always posting the "guess who just died" threads? Just saying.

There's a difference between memorializing people's lives on the occasion of their passing and taking pleasure in the misfortune of others.

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[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by superdog

I wish him well.

Addiction is a terrible affliction. I hope he can beat it. And I hope he can make a comeback. Not in golf. I don't care about golf. But in life.

We've only got one, and time is fleeting. I wish him the best.

Excellent post.

[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

There's a difference between memorializing people's lives on the occasion of their passing and taking pleasure in the misfortune of others.

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Huge difference.

[Sunny Arizona]

Agree. BAC in the US is far higher than other countries. When I was stationed in Germany I thought it was .04.

Originally Posted by OliveSales

I really disagree with that. They should actually be more strict in my opinion.
I was hit by a drunk driver while riding my motorcycle. It's been over a year since and it feels like the law has been working against me by being very lenient to the driver. I'm in my early 20s with nothing but knee problems. Before my crash I was a very active person and very focused on my aesthetic. FYI, this guy was drinking and driving at like 3pm.... tries to not take fault for going on the opposite side of the road and pretty much hitting me.

[Sunny Arizona]

Originally Posted by drm20

Wow, happens to quite a few folks in the spotlight.

Remember Mark Grace? He did 4 months in Tent City.

[drm20]

Originally Posted by Sunny Arizona

Remember Mark Grace? He did 4 months in Tent City.

Haha, that's right!!!


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[Rolex_Rookie]

Originally Posted by KDS777

http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/06/13...turns-to-rehab

Just as I predicted in the other thread when he first got nabbed. His money, privilege and what remaining stature, if any, will get him a special deal.

Here in Canada you normally go to jail and do not pass go for your second DUI.

Tough to get convicted of a DUI in Florida when you blow a 0.000.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Rolex_Rookie

Tough to get convicted of a DUI in Florida when you blow a 0.000.

Florida has DUI drug laws. Pretty sure you don't need alcohol intoxication to get convicted if you're hammered on chemical substances.

"Under Florida law, DUI is one offense, proved by impairment of normal faculties or unlawful blood alcohol or breath alcohol level of .08 or above. The penalties upon conviction are the same, regardless of the manner in which the offense is proven."

[Rolex_Rookie]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

Florida has DUI drug laws. Pretty sure you don't need alcohol intoxication to get convicted if you're hammered on chemical substances.



"Under Florida law, DUI is one offense, proved by impairment of normal faculties or unlawful blood alcohol or breath alcohol level of .08 or above. The penalties upon conviction are the same, regardless of the manner in which the offense is proven."

They do, which are even more difficult to prove, especially considering the police never witnessed the vehicle in motion and he didn't give a blood sample. Florida does not require a test to quantify the amount of drugs in a person's body in a DUI case, and impairment is difficult to prove.The State will not prosecute the DUI and as such, he will not get convicted.


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by superdog

I wish him well.

Addiction is a terrible affliction. I hope he can beat it. And I hope he can make a comeback. Not in golf. I don't care about golf. But in life.

We've only got one, and time is fleeting. I wish him the best.

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

There's a difference between memorializing people's lives on the occasion of their passing and taking pleasure in the misfortune of others.

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I agree fully.

[Rolex addict]

Money gets you out of a lot of crap. Look at OJ. Once he ran out, he was screwed. You can't do stupid crap when you're broke. You go to jail. Tiger will skate out of this like Nancy Kerrigan. Just a tad beaten, but still a princess....prince....or whatever metaphor you want to use.