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Vaxe · 12 February 2018, 10:23 AM

Just listed my BLNR and already received PMs from 2 trusted sellers here, one a Bond Submariner sponsor.

I prefer to deal with well established members even if it means selling the watch for less, but what surprised me is both asked for watch first before payment, unless I take Paypal. It wasn’t like this just a few months ago, is this the norm going forward?

christopheran · 12 February 2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaxe

Just listed my BLNR and already received PMs from 2 trusted sellers here, one a Bond Submariner sponsor.

I prefer to deal with well established members even if it means selling the watch for less, but what surprised me is both asked for watch first before payment, unless I take Payoal. It wasn’t like this just a few months ago, what’s changed?

I’ve sold many pieces to one of the biggest trusted sellers over the years, and he typically wires me the money once he receives the watch. I trust him 100%, so I really didn’t care.

jrs146 · 12 February 2018, 10:27 AM

Personally I feel that the seller gets to dictate the terms of the purchase. So if you are uncomfortable sending before payment then you have the right to deny their terms and seek a different buyer.

99% of the time I’d demand an upfront payment but depending on the trusted seller I’d feel safe sending to them. Heck, I’ve had trusted sellers mail me the watch before they received payment. Trust and an established relationship works both ways.

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superdog · 12 February 2018, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by christopheran

I’ve sold many pieces to one of the biggest trusted sellers over the years, and he typically wires me the money once he receives the watch. I trust him 100%, so I really didn’t care.

Same.

JM0127 · 12 February 2018, 10:33 AM

Same for me. I sold one to David. He sent me a label. I got the money the next day when he received the watch. There's a reason he and others are reputable. CYOA

Spartacus · 12 February 2018, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaxe

unless I take Paypal. It wasn’t like this just a few months ago, is this the norm going forward?

The concept of escrow is not new. I'm not a big fan of the fleecing done by some of the Trusted $ellers, but I'd say, without an escrow service I too would be cautious with exchanging a premium price for a good I have not seen.

You could negotiate a 50-50 deal, or sign up for PayPal..??

newbee1 · 12 February 2018, 10:45 AM

I’d go with PayPal.

Vaxe · 12 February 2018, 10:48 AM

Just curious if this is the new norm caused by insurance policy change, sudden rise in fraud, or some other factor.

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Originally Posted by Spartacus

The concept of escrow is not new. I'm not a big fan of the fleecing done by some of the Trusted $ellers, but I'd say, without an escrow service I too would be cautious with exchanging a premium price for a good I have not seen.

You could negotiate a 50-50 deal, or sign up for PayPal..??

Abdullah71601 · 12 February 2018, 10:56 AM

I wouldn't be forced into PayPal, unless they are willing to pay you a premium to use it.

If you aren't in a hurry, and are uncomfortable with their demands, move on.

zaratsu · 12 February 2018, 12:39 PM

Just reassure yourself that these trusted sellers' reputations are worth substantially more than a typical single watch, so they'd be pretty dumb to try and screw you over assuming they receive your watch in good order.

dera · 12 February 2018, 12:44 PM

The fact that the TRF grey sellers are wanting to buy it from you means you have it priced too low...

KarlTheToyotaGuy · 12 February 2018, 12:49 PM

I see no problem with it. They have too much to lose business wise. As long as you have proof of ownership and insurance I would go for it.

Justinmg · 12 February 2018, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christopheran

I’ve sold many pieces to one of the biggest trusted sellers over the years, and he typically wires me the money once he receives the watch. I trust him 100%, so I really didn’t care.

Same experience

SpyShopsNYC · 12 February 2018, 04:57 PM

COD cash on delivery is my motto

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rootbeer7 · 12 February 2018, 05:05 PM

If they’re a trusted seller and you have insurance on the watch, then there’s nothing to worry about, particularly if they’ve set up shipping.

MonBK · 12 February 2018, 05:27 PM

When you're a TS you can have the cake and eat it too.

codester · 12 February 2018, 08:31 PM

I've sold to DavidSW and had payment wired the next day. I sent the watch first with the shipping label provided.

tyler1980 · 12 February 2018, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaxe

Just listed my BLNR and already received PMs from 2 trusted sellers here, one a Bond Submariner sponsor.

I prefer to deal with well established members even if it means selling the watch for less, but what surprised me is both asked for watch first before payment, unless I take Paypal. It wasn’t like this just a few months ago, is this the norm going forward?

you know them by reputation, they dont know you. i see no issue with that.

1William · 12 February 2018, 09:48 PM

I have done it both ways. Sent the watch and then received payment and received payment when I did the deal. Once you have done enough transactions with a TS then things change with history and trust. Not a big issue. It is worth it to me to deal with a TS. They have earned the reputation and they work hard to keep it. Send the watch, get your money and move on.

crowncollection · 12 February 2018, 09:58 PM

Your call money first for me. Paypal + fees same rules both ways imho

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116710er · 13 February 2018, 07:40 AM

You have to understand from the Trusted Seller point of view. They're a KNOWN quantity, you are not. They also deal with a lot of watches and get watches that are "over sold" (seller thinks his watch is "mint" when in reality, it's "very good"). So this way, they can guarantee that they are getting what the seller is describing and that the watch is authentic. As soon as that checks out, they send the money. If they sent it ahead of time, then they run of risk of getting scammed.

At the end of day, it's your watch so it's up to you.

Rrpdc · 13 February 2018, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 116710er

you have to understand from the trusted seller point of view. They're a known quantity, you are not.

+1.

Tools · 13 February 2018, 07:50 AM

You guys do know that TRF doesn't have any "Trusted Sellers", right.

Enter into any transaction after you have done your due diligence and are satisfied with the terms.

pilotjim · 13 February 2018, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

You guys do know that TRF doesn't have any "Trusted Sellers", right.

Enter into any transaction after you have done your due diligence and are satisfied with the terms.

Good point.

SkyKing31 · 13 February 2018, 08:03 AM

If the 2 "trusted" members are dealers who have a business operated from a real store (brick and mortar) then yes, it is normal. It's the same with any other watch dealer with the exception of good ole Bob at Bob's watches. I wouldn't trust them for any reason. Aside from good ole Bob and his minions, every jeweler requires you to send them the watch so they can evaluate the watch, and then they send prompt payment.

If this were a private buyer, someone not in the business, who is sitting at his computer and looking to buy a watch, then I wouldn't do it. You are the seller, so you dictate the terms of the sale, but the situation you describe is exactly how all jewelers do things. The other option is to take your watch to their store and wait while they look at it and make you a final offer.

Only business I can give you solid advice is Bob's watches .. Bob and his minions (or Paul .. whatever the owner's name is) are not well regarded for good reason. They make you an offer which is already unfair (to low) and once they get your beloved Rolex in their clutches, they find all sorts of reasons to come back with a final offer which is lower than the offer they quoted you. Its even worse if you try to trade. They rip you off by paying to little, and they rip you off by charging way to much for their watches .. and they never deal on the sale price of their watches .. they lie telling you they can't reduce their price because they are the lowest which is a complete lie .. So, they offer you a price, you send them the watch, and they offer you lower price .. They except you to take less, but refuse to take less for their watches

Sorry to get off track on Bob .... Yes the situation you describe is normal .. Except for Bob .. What that business does is not normal

SkyKing31 · 13 February 2018, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

When you're a TS you can have the cake and eat it too.

What about ice cream with your cake?

MonBK · 13 February 2018, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyKing31

What about ice cream with your cake?

No, that's Bob's.

rolexbound · 13 February 2018, 08:49 AM

Do they TRF members protect their data? See this thread -

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=585641

Seems like there have been incidents of identity theft in this forum, so yeah I would be concerned about posting a watch to anyone without payment.

Just makes me concerned that you are promoting the shipping of valuable watches to people (it doesn't matter who they are IMHO) without payment.

SkyKing31 · 13 February 2018, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

No, that's Bob's.

I'll go on a crash diet first

imperio · 13 February 2018, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

No, that's Bob's.

12 February 2018, 10:23 AM	#1
Vaxe "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Austin TX Posts: 2,122	TRF “trusted sellers” now asking for watch first before payment? Just listed my BLNR and already received PMs from 2 trusted sellers here, one a Bond Submariner sponsor. I prefer to deal with well established members even if it means selling the watch for less, but what surprised me is both asked for watch first before payment, unless I take Paypal. It wasn’t like this just a few months ago, is this the norm going forward?

12 February 2018, 10:27 AM	#3
jrs146 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Josh Location: Lost in time Watch: Me Nae Nae Posts: 9,823	Personally I feel that the seller gets to dictate the terms of the purchase. So if you are uncomfortable sending before payment then you have the right to deny their terms and seek a different buyer. 99% of the time I’d demand an upfront payment but depending on the trusted seller I’d feel safe sending to them. Heck, I’ve had trusted sellers mail me the watch before they received payment. Trust and an established relationship works both ways. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own." -Jerome J. Garcia, Robert C. Hunter

12 February 2018, 05:05 PM	#15
rootbeer7 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: london Posts: 6,157	If they’re a trusted seller and you have insurance on the watch, then there’s nothing to worry about, particularly if they’ve set up shipping. __________________ @imrootbeer7

12 February 2018, 09:58 PM	#20
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Your call money first for me. Paypal + fees same rules both ways imho Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

13 February 2018, 07:50 AM	#23
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	You guys do know that TRF doesn't have any "Trusted Sellers", right. Enter into any transaction after you have done your due diligence and are satisfied with the terms. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

12 February 2018, 10:33 AM	#5
JM0127 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Real Name: Spatula Location: Nowhere Fun. Posts: 283	Same for me. I sold one to David. He sent me a label. I got the money the next day when he received the watch. There's a reason he and others are reputable. CYOA

12 February 2018, 10:45 AM	#7
newbee1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Real Name: Ash Location: Far and away Watch: Rolex day date Posts: 251	I’d go with PayPal.

12 February 2018, 10:56 AM	#9
Abdullah71601 Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Calumet Harbor Watch: ing da Bears Posts: 13,568	I wouldn't be forced into PayPal, unless they are willing to pay you a premium to use it. If you aren't in a hurry, and are uncomfortable with their demands, move on.

12 February 2018, 12:39 PM	#10
zaratsu "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: AU Posts: 123	Just reassure yourself that these trusted sellers' reputations are worth substantially more than a typical single watch, so they'd be pretty dumb to try and screw you over assuming they receive your watch in good order.

12 February 2018, 12:44 PM	#11
dera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,372	The fact that the TRF grey sellers are wanting to buy it from you means you have it priced too low...

12 February 2018, 12:49 PM	#12
KarlTheToyotaGuy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Karl Location: Texas Watch: Datejust 36! Posts: 323	I see no problem with it. They have too much to lose business wise. As long as you have proof of ownership and insurance I would go for it.

12 February 2018, 04:57 PM	#14
SpyShopsNYC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: New York Posts: 152	COD cash on delivery is my motto Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

12 February 2018, 05:27 PM	#16
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	When you're a TS you can have the cake and eat it too.

12 February 2018, 08:31 PM	#17
codester "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: U.S. Watch: Bluesy and others Posts: 220	I've sold to DavidSW and had payment wired the next day. I sent the watch first with the shipping label provided.

12 February 2018, 09:48 PM	#19
1William 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 47,764	I have done it both ways. Sent the watch and then received payment and received payment when I did the deal. Once you have done enough transactions with a TS then things change with history and trust. Not a big issue. It is worth it to me to deal with a TS. They have earned the reputation and they work hard to keep it. Send the watch, get your money and move on.

13 February 2018, 07:40 AM	#21
116710er "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: 'murica Watch: yer six. Posts: 576	You have to understand from the Trusted Seller point of view. They're a KNOWN quantity, you are not. They also deal with a lot of watches and get watches that are "over sold" (seller thinks his watch is "mint" when in reality, it's "very good"). So this way, they can guarantee that they are getting what the seller is describing and that the watch is authentic. As soon as that checks out, they send the money. If they sent it ahead of time, then they run of risk of getting scammed. At the end of day, it's your watch so it's up to you.

13 February 2018, 08:03 AM	#25
SkyKing31 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Manalapan Florida Watch: Tridor Masterpiece Posts: 2,819	If the 2 "trusted" members are dealers who have a business operated from a real store (brick and mortar) then yes, it is normal. It's the same with any other watch dealer with the exception of good ole Bob at Bob's watches. I wouldn't trust them for any reason. Aside from good ole Bob and his minions, every jeweler requires you to send them the watch so they can evaluate the watch, and then they send prompt payment. If this were a private buyer, someone not in the business, who is sitting at his computer and looking to buy a watch, then I wouldn't do it. You are the seller, so you dictate the terms of the sale, but the situation you describe is exactly how all jewelers do things. The other option is to take your watch to their store and wait while they look at it and make you a final offer. Only business I can give you solid advice is Bob's watches .. Bob and his minions (or Paul .. whatever the owner's name is) are not well regarded for good reason. They make you an offer which is already unfair (to low) and once they get your beloved Rolex in their clutches, they find all sorts of reasons to come back with a final offer which is lower than the offer they quoted you. Its even worse if you try to trade. They rip you off by paying to little, and they rip you off by charging way to much for their watches .. and they never deal on the sale price of their watches .. they lie telling you they can't reduce their price because they are the lowest which is a complete lie .. So, they offer you a price, you send them the watch, and they offer you lower price .. They except you to take less, but refuse to take less for their watches Sorry to get off track on Bob .... Yes the situation you describe is normal .. Except for Bob .. What that business does is not normal __________________ It's been said that money can never buy happiness which is true, but I'd rather cry while seated in the back of a Rolls Royce limousine instead crying while seated on a bicycle.

13 February 2018, 08:49 AM	#28
rolexbound Banned Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Australia Posts: 80	Do they TRF members protect their data? See this thread - https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=585641 Seems like there have been incidents of identity theft in this forum, so yeah I would be concerned about posting a watch to anyone without payment. Just makes me concerned that you are promoting the shipping of valuable watches to people (it doesn't matter who they are IMHO) without payment.

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