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Watch Admirer · 20 March 2018, 01:34 PM

Found this piece being sold at 31000$ without box and papers. Think it’s a good idea?

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jschmidtdmd · 20 March 2018, 01:41 PM

No. For me box and papers are a must

GB-man · 20 March 2018, 01:55 PM

Not on a brand new watch. You’ll never be able to sell it.

goog53 · 20 March 2018, 01:57 PM

NO. Box and papers a must for a new piece

5Zigen · 20 March 2018, 02:59 PM

No I would ask for a lower price and if you intend on selling it later, would be difficult to without box and papers. Is it a new piece or used even though it has the plastic wrapping? Is the seller able to prove when/where it was purchased because if it came with the certificate, it would have the AD name and date it was purchased.

SDDS · 20 March 2018, 03:10 PM

No i would not do it, without the box and papers it will be very hard to sell later,

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tyler1980 · 20 March 2018, 03:21 PM

they left the stickers on but lost the paperwork

pass

Canook · 20 March 2018, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

they left the stickers on but lost the paperwork

pass

im gonna hazard a guess and say its not the original stickers and its wrapped in clear plastic as most grey dealers do.... im also assuming its a grey dealer and its not brand new.....
If its brand new then something is def not right and what possible excuse can there be for a brand new watch not to have its box and papers if its all legit?

Watch Admirer · 20 March 2018, 04:49 PM

Thank you for your opinions. The watch is not brand new, the guy is a grey dealer and yes, for that much money i would expect the guy to at least have the paperwork. I'll just wait for my turn for a rose gold or steel from Patek directly, the savings don't seem to be that significant anyway.

rabela · 20 March 2018, 09:21 PM

Box and paper a MUST for me

ggencer · 20 March 2018, 09:51 PM

never...

codecow · 20 March 2018, 09:55 PM

I'd buy at a decent discount if it had extract from the archives with it.

dmash · 20 March 2018, 11:24 PM

IMO, the vast majority (would guess close to 99%) of new Patek/Rolex/AP that are without box/papers......are either stolen or fake. It makes absolutely zero sense otherwise. Again, not speaking for vintage, but all new offerings. Why in the world would you spend what other people spend on an automobile, then toss the papers/box? Of course there will always be exceptions, but this would be a gross outlier. Majority of people keep their warranty paperwork, even for $1k electronics.

AK797 · 21 March 2018, 12:25 AM

I wouldn't buy a PP without B&P, Rolex maybe.

elcompa · 21 March 2018, 12:27 AM

Generally, if it is an older piece, I might overlook the fact that there is no box/papers. However, for new, I would insist on both. In the end, it is a GREAT piece and if you must have it, ask the seller for a better price to compensate. Just my gut talking here...

tng11 · 21 March 2018, 12:28 AM

No papers on a modern watch is a deal breaker for me. Too many suspicious possibilities for a watch like that.

ap1 · 21 March 2018, 01:57 AM

Pass

20 March 2018, 01:34 PM	#1
Watch Admirer Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: somewhere Posts: 350	5164a potential buy Found this piece being sold at 31000$ without box and papers. Think it’s a good idea? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

20 March 2018, 01:41 PM	#2
jschmidtdmd "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: John Location: Denver Posts: 2,294	No. For me box and papers are a must __________________ Watches!

20 March 2018, 01:55 PM	#3
GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,320	Not on a brand new watch. You’ll never be able to sell it. __________________

20 March 2018, 01:57 PM	#4
goog53 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Mike G Location: Ohio Watch: Rolex-Patek-AP Posts: 3,075	NO. Box and papers a must for a new piece __________________ The only thing better than the watches are the people behind them. "The best watch in the world is the one that's on your wrist." Morgan King "Do you like having a good time? Then you need a good watch!" Rocky Balboa

20 March 2018, 03:10 PM	#6
SDDS "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Yazan Location: Canada Posts: 4,782	No i would not do it, without the box and papers it will be very hard to sell later, Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Patek Philippe 5167 Patek Philippe 5905P black dial Rolex Deepsea 116660 M series Rolex Oysterquartz 17000 N series Rolex OP 41MM 124300 Green Dial

20 March 2018, 02:59 PM	#5
5Zigen 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Canada Watch: PP, AP, Rolex Posts: 750	No I would ask for a lower price and if you intend on selling it later, would be difficult to without box and papers. Is it a new piece or used even though it has the plastic wrapping? Is the seller able to prove when/where it was purchased because if it came with the certificate, it would have the AD name and date it was purchased.

20 March 2018, 03:21 PM	#7
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	they left the stickers on but lost the paperwork pass __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

20 March 2018, 04:49 PM	#9
Watch Admirer Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: somewhere Posts: 350	Thank you for your opinions. The watch is not brand new, the guy is a grey dealer and yes, for that much money i would expect the guy to at least have the paperwork. I'll just wait for my turn for a rose gold or steel from Patek directly, the savings don't seem to be that significant anyway.

20 March 2018, 09:21 PM	#10
rabela Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: On Earth Posts: 4	Box and paper a MUST for me

20 March 2018, 09:51 PM	#11
ggencer "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: istanbul Posts: 94	never...

20 March 2018, 09:55 PM	#12
codecow "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Louis Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: PP 5131R Posts: 5,157	I'd buy at a decent discount if it had extract from the archives with it.

20 March 2018, 11:24 PM	#13
dmash Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: USA <> BKK Posts: 6,160	IMO, the vast majority (would guess close to 99%) of new Patek/Rolex/AP that are without box/papers......are either stolen or fake. It makes absolutely zero sense otherwise. Again, not speaking for vintage, but all new offerings. Why in the world would you spend what other people spend on an automobile, then toss the papers/box? Of course there will always be exceptions, but this would be a gross outlier. Majority of people keep their warranty paperwork, even for $1k electronics.

21 March 2018, 12:25 AM	#14
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,368	I wouldn't buy a PP without B&P, Rolex maybe.

21 March 2018, 12:27 AM	#15
elcompa "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: North Carolina Watch: DD 118206 Posts: 1,858	Generally, if it is an older piece, I might overlook the fact that there is no box/papers. However, for new, I would insist on both. In the end, it is a GREAT piece and if you must have it, ask the seller for a better price to compensate. Just my gut talking here... __________________ 118206 DD, 116710 BLNR, 116200 TT DJ

21 March 2018, 12:28 AM	#16
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,634	No papers on a modern watch is a deal breaker for me. Too many suspicious possibilities for a watch like that.

21 March 2018, 01:57 AM	#17
ap1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,509	Pass

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