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rmlovett1 · 13 June 2018, 11:50 PM

Looking at a couple pre-C Pepsi GMT’s.

Any opinions or preferences from GMT fans on either?

*price not an issue (both are very close)

*functionality not an issue

*collectability not a consideration.... either would be enjoyed and worn. Resale $’s not a factor.

* Both from very trusted TRF sellers (wouldn’t buy anywhere else) authenticity not an issue.

1. 16700 E serial...All original...2018 RSC serviced, therefore complete set now.

At service...1. Clean case 2. Clean bracelet 3. Replace insert and crown 4. Movement service

2. 16710 A serial...All original...Independent movement service done. Case, basically untouched, maybe polished once. Original insert, very faded on the red portion, slightly faded on the blue. Watch and box only.

Thank as always

*Pics from sellers*

Devildog · 14 June 2018, 12:23 AM

16710 for me Richard.

I'd pop in a new insert (keeping the old one of course)

And then I'd ship it off to LAWW fro a complete and "in keeping" case refinishing to original specs. Looks good and thick and will come back indistinguishable from new.

Why?

1) I much prefer the SEL bracelets. Coupled with a lug hole case and you've got perfection.

2) I think faded inserts on 5 digit cases look, well, a bit crap

3) Its to be enjoyed and worn, and resale not an issue for you so it should look its best

rmlovett1 · 14 June 2018, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devildog

16710 for me Richard.

I'd pop in a new insert (keeping the old one of course)

And then I'd ship it off to LAWW fro a complete and "in keeping" case refinishing to original specs. Looks good and thick and will come back indistinguishable from new.

Why?

1) I much prefer the SEL bracelets. Coupled with a lug hole case and you've got perfection.

2) I think faded inserts on 5 digit cases look, well, a bit crap

3) Its to be enjoyed and worn, and resale not an issue for you so it should look its best

Thank you Scott

gummy · 14 June 2018, 12:29 AM

710 for me as well...

Love the combo....SEL and lug holes....mmmm tastey.

Nikrnic · 14 June 2018, 12:31 AM

Great advice from devildog...

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mineral · 14 June 2018, 12:33 AM

There is no straight right answer here. But I will suggest the 16700 for the extra RSC document and also quick set date feature, which made the date changing much easier.

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epc2 · 14 June 2018, 12:35 AM

16710

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HERITAGE82 · 14 June 2018, 12:42 AM

I'd go for the 16700 because after owning both I realized that I found the user friendly date change of the 16700 far more useful in my rotation than the 16710's 3rd time zone capabilities.

Also, I am in the minority in this but I do not like SEL's since I feel that the original folded EL flow better on the wrist, and that the little spring bars that hold the last link to the EL is a weak point on the SEL's.

Add in the fact that the 16700 just had a RSC service and you have a winner for me.

Best of luck in your decision and you really cant go wrong with either...Also, I really like the direction you have taken with your collection. It is very well rounded

Woody · 14 June 2018, 12:48 AM

I think I would also opt for the 16710.....on the basis that I could send to RSC (or another trusted watchmaker.....you have lots of options in the US) for refurbishment/new bezel etc. You can easily pull together a box set if you feel the need and the service papers will be a nice addition. If you can then suggest you try them on to see which you prefer.....based on my experience the 16700 is a nicer watch to wear. Good luck.

rmlovett1 · 14 June 2018, 01:30 AM

Thanks for suggestions...appreciated

BNA/LION · 14 June 2018, 01:46 AM

16710 A Serial

fskywalker · 14 June 2018, 01:46 AM

From those 2 would pick the 16700 with RSC service and full paperwork

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uniqueMR · 14 June 2018, 03:23 AM

16700

HogwldFLTR · 14 June 2018, 03:57 AM

For me the 16700 is the preferred watch due to the quick set date function. I've got no need for three time zones in my life.

The two were made concurrently with the 16710 outliving it's sibling. I believe the 16710 is the more popular but I doubt it has the newer movement in this case. The new movement increase the allure for the 16710. Also it's an incomplete set where as the 16700 has at least a recent warranty card. I like the bezel on the 16700 better; on the other hand a new bezel isn't particularly expensive in the scheme of thing. I guess there are plusses and minuses for both. Choose your poison!!!

Here's the time line for the GMTs.

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ap1 · 14 June 2018, 04:03 AM

I’d want SEL and papers

Rashid.bk · 14 June 2018, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devildog

16710 for me Richard.

I'd pop in a new insert (keeping the old one of course)

And then I'd ship it off to LAWW fro a complete and "in keeping" case refinishing to original specs. Looks good and thick and will come back indistinguishable from new.

Why?

1) I much prefer the SEL bracelets. Coupled with a lug hole case and you've got perfection.

2) I think faded inserts on 5 digit cases look, well, a bit crap

3) Its to be enjoyed and worn, and resale not an issue for you so it should look its best

What he said.

And the time zone capabilities is a must on a GMT.

HogwldFLTR · 14 June 2018, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

What he said.

And the time zone capabilities is a must on a GMT.

Isn't that the purpose of the bezel? It's not a dive watch after all.

Shiny1 · 14 June 2018, 04:12 AM

16710 for me

Rashid.bk · 14 June 2018, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Isn't that the purpose of the bezel? It's not a dive watch after all.

Yes but as the poster said above, I prefer the GMT hand setting vs a quick set date.
Time setting is a more convenient feature in a GMT watch than a quick set date for me.

CPRWATCH · 14 June 2018, 04:24 AM

16700, if for no reason other than I own one .Both are great watches & it really is splitting hairs between them , so my advise is go with the one in best condition .

The Libertine · 14 June 2018, 04:31 AM

710 for me.

SLS · 14 June 2018, 04:31 AM

Having both myself, the 16700 for the quick set date and the tritium dial. The RSC papers are an added bonus.

lee fowler · 14 June 2018, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPRWATCH

16700, if for no reason other than I own one .Both are great watches & it really is splitting hairs between them , so my advise is go with the one in best condition .

This.

Stevec14 · 14 June 2018, 04:41 AM

16710 for me mate. Recent service is a plus and prefer the newer yet still aged looking bezel. Looks a cracker and is making me miss mine.

I also prefer the 16710 for the jumping hour hand which for me defines what a gmt should do.

Horses for courses as ever.

rmlovett1 · 14 June 2018, 06:01 AM

All excellent points gentlemen, thank you for the advice. It seems kind of odd to me… Now that the 16700 has had service, and a new insert, it looks like the old insert goes together with that piece, more than the other way around :)

omitohud · 14 June 2018, 06:43 AM

If same price, 16700. If not, 16710.

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fishingbear · 14 June 2018, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPRWATCH

16700, if for no reason other than I own one .Both are great watches & it really is splitting hairs between them , so my advise is go with the one in best condition .

Yes, go with the watch that’s in the best condition.

Chadridv · 14 June 2018, 08:17 AM

i don't know what kind of deal you'd be getting on either of these, but for what it's worth takuya has an unpolished D Serial Pepsi, complete set that looks amazing. I don't know if you prefer the lug holes or not, but aside from that I'd scoop that piece up.

ras47 · 14 June 2018, 08:19 AM

Between the two models, nearly identical in appearance, I’d choose the 16710. I like quick set hour hand feature. And as has been said before, I like what I’ve got. Like you, resale/collectibility is not a consideration for me. I plan to wear my GMT daily and enjoy the heck out of it. :)

GMT Aviator · 14 June 2018, 08:59 AM

So I’ve got four of these, all 16710’s. Three are no holes case, one is a holes case.

The SEL of the 16710, combined with the drilled lug holes and luminova dial is the sweet spot of this reference for many. Therefore I’d go for the 16710 personally, but I’m a bit biased. I’d also have it serviced sooner rather than later. If for no other reason that you will then become the registered owner as far as Rolex are concerned.

I honestly believe the 16710 is the best watch ever made.

I wouldn’t let the condition of the insert be a deciding factor at all. Personally I think faded bezels look crap anyway and I’ve had all mine serviced and the insert replaced anyway.

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16700 E Serial	19	31.15%
16710 A Serial	42	68.85%
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13 June 2018, 11:50 PM	#1
rmlovett1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Richard Location: GA Watch: YTBD Posts: 23,451	Narrowing down a GMT.....choices Looking at a couple pre-C Pepsi GMT’s. Any opinions or preferences from GMT fans on either? price not an issue (both are very close) functionality not an issue collectability not a consideration.... either would be enjoyed and worn. Resale $’s not a factor. Both from very trusted TRF sellers (wouldn’t buy anywhere else) authenticity not an issue. 1. 16700 E serial...All original...2018 RSC serviced, therefore complete set now. At service...1. Clean case 2. Clean bracelet 3. Replace insert and crown 4. Movement service 2. 16710 A serial...All original...Independent movement service done. Case, basically untouched, maybe polished once. Original insert, very faded on the red portion, slightly faded on the blue. Watch and box only. Thank as always Pics from sellers

14 June 2018, 12:23 AM	#2
Devildog "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Scott Location: UK Watch: ^^^ for now Posts: 5,792	16710 for me Richard. I'd pop in a new insert (keeping the old one of course) And then I'd ship it off to LAWW fro a complete and "in keeping" case refinishing to original specs. Looks good and thick and will come back indistinguishable from new. Why? 1) I much prefer the SEL bracelets. Coupled with a lug hole case and you've got perfection. 2) I think faded inserts on 5 digit cases look, well, a bit crap 3) Its to be enjoyed and worn, and resale not an issue for you so it should look its best __________________ Past: 6239 (yes, I know...), 16610, 16600, 116515, 116613LN, 126600, 126711 CHNR Present: 16600, 116509, Cartier Santos Green.

14 June 2018, 12:33 AM	#6
mineral "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,670	There is no straight right answer here. But I will suggest the 16700 for the extra RSC document and also quick set date feature, which made the date changing much easier. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ Watching date changes every midnight

14 June 2018, 12:42 AM	#8
HERITAGE82 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,434	I'd go for the 16700 because after owning both I realized that I found the user friendly date change of the 16700 far more useful in my rotation than the 16710's 3rd time zone capabilities. Also, I am in the minority in this but I do not like SEL's since I feel that the original folded EL flow better on the wrist, and that the little spring bars that hold the last link to the EL is a weak point on the SEL's. Add in the fact that the 16700 just had a RSC service and you have a winner for me. Best of luck in your decision and you really cant go wrong with either...Also, I really like the direction you have taken with your collection. It is very well rounded __________________ - Rolex Explorer - 214270 - Tudor Black Bay - 79230B - Tudor Chronograph - 79270P - Breitling Chronomat - 10th Anniv. - Huguenin Freres Speedmaster Prototype

14 June 2018, 12:29 AM	#4
gummy 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Thomas Location: Midwest USA Watch: AP PP Rolex Posts: 3,348	710 for me as well... Love the combo....SEL and lug holes....mmmm tastey.

14 June 2018, 12:31 AM	#5
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,171	Great advice from devildog... Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

14 June 2018, 12:35 AM	#7
epc2 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Fl Watch: 116610LV,Pam etc. Posts: 1,328	16710 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

14 June 2018, 12:48 AM	#9
Woody "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Africa Posts: 1,127	I think I would also opt for the 16710.....on the basis that I could send to RSC (or another trusted watchmaker.....you have lots of options in the US) for refurbishment/new bezel etc. You can easily pull together a box set if you feel the need and the service papers will be a nice addition. If you can then suggest you try them on to see which you prefer.....based on my experience the 16700 is a nicer watch to wear. Good luck.

14 June 2018, 01:30 AM	#10
rmlovett1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Richard Location: GA Watch: YTBD Posts: 23,451	Thanks for suggestions...appreciated

14 June 2018, 01:46 AM	#11
BNA/LION 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Larry Location: San Diego, CA Watch: ROLEX Posts: 25,600	16710 A Serial __________________ ✦ 28238 President DD 18K/YG ✦ 16610LN SS Sub ✦ 16613 18K/SS Serti ✦ 16550 Exp II Non-Rail Cream Dial ✦ Daytona C 116500 ✦ 126710 BLRO GMT-Master II ✦ NEXT-->? ⛳ Hole In One! 10/3/19 DMCC 5th hole, par 3, 168 yards w/ 4-Iron.

14 June 2018, 01:46 AM	#12
fskywalker 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Francisco Location: San Juan, PR Watch: Is Ticking ! Posts: 25,151	From those 2 would pick the 16700 with RSC service and full paperwork Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Francisco ♛ 16610 / 116264 Ω 168.022 / 2535.80.00 / 310.30.42.50.01.002 / 210.90.42.20.01.001 Zenith 02.480.405 2FA security enabled

14 June 2018, 03:23 AM	#13
uniqueMR 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: USA Watch: P A T E K Posts: 4,706	16700 __________________ A. Lange & Sohne \| Audemars Piguet \| F.P.Journe \| Omega \| Patek Philippe \| Rolex \| Tudor \| ...and Othersss

14 June 2018, 03:57 AM	#14
HogwldFLTR 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Lee Location: 42.48.45N70.48.48 Watch: Too many to list! Posts: 33,662	For me the 16700 is the preferred watch due to the quick set date function. I've got no need for three time zones in my life. The two were made concurrently with the 16710 outliving it's sibling. I believe the 16710 is the more popular but I doubt it has the newer movement in this case. The new movement increase the allure for the 16710. Also it's an incomplete set where as the 16700 has at least a recent warranty card. I like the bezel on the 16700 better; on the other hand a new bezel isn't particularly expensive in the scheme of thing. I guess there are plusses and minuses for both. Choose your poison!!! Here's the time line for the GMTs. [/QUOTE] __________________ Troglodyte in residence! https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=808599

14 June 2018, 04:03 AM	#15
ap1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,508	I’d want SEL and papers

14 June 2018, 04:12 AM	#18
Shiny1 Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: USA Posts: 114	16710 for me

14 June 2018, 04:31 AM	#21
The Libertine Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: Mike Location: BOS Watch: 16710;14060;214270 Posts: 6,375	710 for me.

14 June 2018, 04:31 AM	#22
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	Having both myself, the 16700 for the quick set date and the tritium dial. The RSC papers are an added bonus. __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

14 June 2018, 04:41 AM	#24
Stevec14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Real Name: Steve Location: U.K. Watch: 321, Snoopy 3 Posts: 4,470	16710 for me mate. Recent service is a plus and prefer the newer yet still aged looking bezel. Looks a cracker and is making me miss mine. I also prefer the 16710 for the jumping hour hand which for me defines what a gmt should do. Horses for courses as ever.

14 June 2018, 06:01 AM	#25
rmlovett1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Richard Location: GA Watch: YTBD Posts: 23,451	All excellent points gentlemen, thank you for the advice. It seems kind of odd to me… Now that the 16700 has had service, and a new insert, it looks like the old insert goes together with that piece, more than the other way around :)

14 June 2018, 06:43 AM	#26
omitohud "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Sam Location: los Angeles Posts: 2,051	If same price, 16700. If not, 16710. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

14 June 2018, 08:17 AM	#28
Chadridv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Real Name: Chadri Location: LI, NY Watch: 116610LV Posts: 11,357	i don't know what kind of deal you'd be getting on either of these, but for what it's worth takuya has an unpolished D Serial Pepsi, complete set that looks amazing. I don't know if you prefer the lug holes or not, but aside from that I'd scoop that piece up. __________________ - i͞n͟s͞t͟a͞g͞r͟a͞m͞ @ⓒⓄⓁⒹⓒⒶⓈⒺⓦⒶⒶⓉⒸⒽⒺⓈ

14 June 2018, 08:19 AM	#29
ras47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Robert Location: Northern NJ Watch: 16710 BLRO Posts: 3,064	Between the two models, nearly identical in appearance, I’d choose the 16710. I like quick set hour hand feature. And as has been said before, I like what I’ve got. Like you, resale/collectibility is not a consideration for me. I plan to wear my GMT daily and enjoy the heck out of it. :) __________________ Rolex GMT Master II BLRO 16710 Omega Speedmaster Co-Axial Chrono

14 June 2018, 08:59 AM	#30
GMT Aviator 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: London Posts: 3,314	So I’ve got four of these, all 16710’s. Three are no holes case, one is a holes case. The SEL of the 16710, combined with the drilled lug holes and luminova dial is the sweet spot of this reference for many. Therefore I’d go for the 16710 personally, but I’m a bit biased. I’d also have it serviced sooner rather than later. If for no other reason that you will then become the registered owner as far as Rolex are concerned. I honestly believe the 16710 is the best watch ever made. I wouldn’t let the condition of the insert be a deciding factor at all. Personally I think faded bezels look crap anyway and I’ve had all mine serviced and the insert replaced anyway.

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