AP Royal Oak vs PP Nautilus vs <Insert Rolex>

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

Really, no one is copying Genta style watches in the watch industry at the moment?

B&R 05, Alpine Eagle, Bulgari Octo, GP Laureato relaunch, Laurent Ferrier Grand Sport, gosh, even Lange is entering that game now... but where you’re right is that those 70ies designs come and go in terms of fashion, whereas Rolex has been very persistent. Just not sure how one has anything to do with the other. Like I said, Genta‘s designs were never intended to be watches for sports. Sport watches is indeed a name only, but that’s fine, there has never been any pretense to the contrary. Except perhaps the latest VC overseas which is genuinely a watch robust enough to take it sporting (I mountaineer with it and it works great).

Hmm. Sure how are those brands you mention they selling? Let’s check chrono 24 for their resale.

And in my lifestyle the AP or PP would be in pieces by noon. I was on a slick trail this morning and went over the handlebars into roots and some rocks. You don’t seriously think those so called sport watches can take that do you? My sub has been on my wrist 20 years doing everything. Only needed a service at the 17 year mark because my Ad guilted me into it when I said, no just a pressure test. AP and PP are on the wrists of those watching sports, Rolex has been wrists of people doing the sport.


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[Burlington]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Hmm. Sure how are those brands you mention they selling? Let’s check chrono 24 for their resale.

And in my lifestyle the AP or PP would be in pieces by noon. I was on a slick trail this morning and went over the handlebars into roots and some rocks. You don’t seriously think those so called sport watches can take that do you? My sub has been on my wrist 20 years doing everything. Only needed a service at the 17 year mark because my Ad guilted me into it when I said, no just a pressure test. AP and PP are on the wrists of those watching sports, Rolex has been wrists of people doing the sport.


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Curious what else your sports piece has survived unscathed through ?

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by Burlington

Curious what else your sports piece has survived unscathed through ?

Lol. Got lucky today. The sports I do, mountain biking, hiking, swimming, baseball, basketball, and general work around the house have never really put my Rolex in great peril. It’s what’s it was built for. In retrospect it was the crazy college nights and associated shenanigans that to this day am surprised that each and every morning was still there when I woke up.


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[fsprow]

[QUOTE=Chester01;10793482]Hmm. Sure how are those brands you mention they selling? Let’s check chrono 24 for their resale.

And in my lifestyle the AP or PP would be in pieces by noon. I was on a slick trail this morning and went over the handlebars into roots and some rocks. You don’t seriously think those so called sport watches can take that do you? My sub has been on my wrist 20 years doing everything. Only needed a service at the 17 year mark because my Ad guilted me into it when I said, no just a pressure test. AP and PP are on the wrists of those watching sports, Rolex has been wrists of people doing the sport.

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Not my experience. My AP 15500 has hit the ground very hard several times in Africa on hunting safari. No problems. Same playing golf. I agree Rolex is even more durable but I don’t hesitate to take either the Royal Oak or Nautilus anywhere.

[Burlington]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Lol. Got lucky today. The sports I do, mountain biking, hiking, swimming, baseball, basketball, and general work around the house have never really put my Rolex in great peril. It’s what’s it was built for. In retrospect it was the crazy college nights and associated shenanigans that to this day am surprised that each and every morning was still there when I woke up.


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If you ever get chance to branch out in future, you’ll discover PP, AP or indeed many others will be able to survive your housework, sporting endeavours and an evening out.

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by Burlington

If you ever get chance to branch out in future, you’ll discover PP, AP or indeed many others will be able to survive your housework, sporting endeavours and an evening out.

They are both very nice watches there is no doubt. My original point was that they are not really on the same level as Rolex for their robustness. I mean Rolex has been worn in combat, expositions, etc. And for 99% of the desk divers here, you are right, AP/PP will tolerate the sport they do for sure. For me, no. I was tossed over my handle bars yesterday while mountain biking. That’s just a typical Saturday. I do not do sedentary sport and my watch needs to handle what ever is thrown at it without worry. The other week it was a jig saw cutting shelves with teeth chattering feedback for 30 mins.

I also think it’s a shame because PP does chronos the best, and for many the nautilus overshadows what they do best. Their chrono designs are absolutely second to none. If I’m going PP, I’m going for a chrono or a dress watch.


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[Chester01]

[QUOTE=fsprow;10793666]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Hmm. Sure how are those brands you mention they selling? Let’s check chrono 24 for their resale.

And in my lifestyle the AP or PP would be in pieces by noon. I was on a slick trail this morning and went over the handlebars into roots and some rocks. You don’t seriously think those so called sport watches can take that do you? My sub has been on my wrist 20 years doing everything. Only needed a service at the 17 year mark because my Ad guilted me into it when I said, no just a pressure test. AP and PP are on the wrists of those watching sports, Rolex has been wrists of people doing the sport.

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Not my experience. My AP 15500 has hit the ground very hard several times in Africa on hunting safari. No problems. Same playing golf. I agree Rolex is even more durable but I don’t hesitate to take either the Royal Oak or Nautilus anywhere.

Let me know when AP/PP has been worn in combat my friend. I know, people spend a lot of money and see things on instabook and they want to believe that it’s the best. AP/PP are pretty to look at, but they are not nearly on the same level of toughness as a Rolex it’s simply not.


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[bp1000]

Interesting question

PP and AP don't really have any watches outside of the two you mentioned that anyone really knows about apart from us guys.

Even then, the Nautilus and Royal Oak haven't really been that popular until 2017. Of course the designs were iconic when they came out and certainly punctured the quartz era. But still, whilst they may be (well the Nautilus) a very hot watch right now, its a singular thing.

The rest of the range is full of PM / Complication stuff, produced in low numbers.

Rolex isn't know for 1 particular range.

They have several lines that are world renown

Sub
Datejust
DayDate
Daytona
Explorer
GMT

Even the
OP
SkyDweller
SeaDweller / DeepSea.

To answer the question directly. The Day-Date.

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by bp1000

Interesting question

PP and AP don't really have any watches outside of the two you mentioned that anyone really knows about apart from us guys.

Even then, the Nautilus and Royal Oak haven't really been that popular until 2017. Of course the designs were iconic when they came out and certainly punctured the quartz era. But still, whilst they may be (well the Nautilus) a very hot watch right now, its a singular thing.

The rest of the range is full of PM / Complication stuff, produced in low numbers.

Rolex isn't know for 1 particular range.

They have several lines that are world renown

Sub
Datejust
DayDate
Daytona
Explorer
GMT

Even the
OP
SkyDweller
SeaDweller / DeepSea.

To answer the question directly. The Day-Date.

I think it’s interesting to contemplate the reasons why those models did not get popular until recently. Why all the sudden? The answer is easy, given both have been around fo a while, many people balked at their style. The speculators have largely driven the interest in these two models, and so what one spends a great deal of money on one tends to see as desirable yet, most of the public had little interest in them for like 30 years. On the other hand, Rolex sold as many as they made over the same time span for their popular sport references.

[Sg6067]

Originally Posted by Chester01

They are both very nice watches there is no doubt. My original point was that they are not really on the same level as Rolex for their robustness. I mean Rolex has been worn in combat, expositions, etc. And for 99% of the desk divers here, you are right, AP/PP will tolerate the sport they do for sure. For me, no. I was tossed over my handle bars yesterday while mountain biking. That’s just a typical Saturday. I do not do sedentary sport and my watch needs to handle what ever is thrown at it without worry. The other week it was a jig saw cutting shelves with teeth chattering feedback for 30 mins.

I also think it’s a shame because PP does chronos the best, and for many the nautilus overshadows what they do best. Their chrono designs are absolutely second to none. If I’m going PP, I’m going for a chrono or a dress watch.


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OP so sorry to have highjacked your thread with this nonsense, it was not my intent.
Chester, I’ll respond to all your comments in one post. No one is arguing with you about the robustness of Rolex. Rolex in general makes a more robust product than AP or PP. They definitely have a different niche. No one is arguing over the true definition of a sports watch either. It is a loosely used term and some are more high end / delicate than others. 99.9 percent of people who buy a Rolex could care less that it was ever worn in combat. At this point they are jewelry for most and no longer true tool watches at their current price points. Congratulations on your active lifestyle and for having the nerve to wear your Rolex while toppling over the handlebars while on your bike ride. I’m sure your medal is in the mail. To availability, I seem to remember a lot of Rolex’s popular sport models sitting in cases at the AD’s as recently as 2016. The ss craze spans most popular luxury watch brands. The overarching theme here is really, if you don’t like it don’t buy it. But your preference for tool watches does not invalidate two entire brands and all of high end horology for others.
Which watch would you nominate as Rolex’s most comparable more delicate “sports” watch to answer the original question? DJ or Daytona? Let’s let OP have his thread.

[AK797]

The PP and AP are dressy sports watches, rather than pure sports so a DJ or DD is more similar, and in terms of price and prestige the DD would be the closest comparison.

[Krash]

If you’re talking about the stainless steel blue dial models from AP and PP, then obviously there is only one choice.




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[vh2k]

Originally Posted by bp1000

Interesting question

PP and AP don't really have any watches outside of the two you mentioned that anyone really knows about apart from us guys.
Rolex isn't know for 1 particular range.

They have several lines that are world renown

Sub
Datejust
DayDate
Daytona
Explorer
GMT

Even the
OP
SkyDweller
SeaDweller / DeepSea.

I love threads like this. Only watch nerds and really rich people know what a Patek or AP is. 99.9% of normal people could not name a Rolex model to save their life. None of these model names or sub-brands (Royal Oak, DateJust, etc.) are iconic or even known to the average person. World renowned??? Far from it.

Ask a normal person to name three brands of watches and the three most mentioned will be Timex, Casio, and Apple (not necessarily in that order). Will wealthy folks mention Rolex? Sure. Fun thread though.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by sealord6524

Truth is that this is a trick question....Rolex does not compete with AP or PP in the sense that we watch collectors sometimes perceive it. I love Rolex, I own Rolex, but for better or worse, It is a mass produced product by luxury jewelry standards, albeit impressively to industrial perfection. Most watch collectors, if they have the means, would gladly have a Rolex or two, plus an AP, and maybe a PP dress watch to round it out. So we engage in weird conversations as to whether you would buy a ROO or a TT SD next as if they are comparable choices.

Most of the world is saner , and even most wealthy people don’t typically understand why someone would need 5, 10, or more watches, costing as much as an automobile. They may see the sense in one or two as a statement, and its these non WIS folks are the real volume for these companies. The well to do joe that is interested in picking up a Rolex as a reward is in most cases going to be a very very different person than the one that would go after AP, or PP, etc, as you are correct that to the non-WIS, typically only a certain income level will even know that brands like PP, AP, FP Journe exist. Other than the fact that automobile brands tend to be more well known (which makes sense as cars are more ubiquitous than luxury watches), its Loosely like asking which BMW competes with Rolls Royce. Again, loosely because there are some super high end, performance BMWs...but still holds that the person that can and would buy a Rolls Royce is very different segment than the typical BMW buyer. Rolls Royce isn’t competing with BMW.

Agree with this.

[bp1000]

Originally Posted by vh2k

I love threads like this. Only watch nerds and really rich people know what a Patek or AP is. 99.9% of normal people could not name a Rolex model to save their life. None of these model names or sub-brands (Royal Oak, DateJust, etc.) are iconic or even known to the average person. World renowned??? Far from it.

Ask a normal person to name three brands of watches and the three most mentioned will be Timex, Casio, and Apple (not necessarily in that order). Will wealthy folks mention Rolex? Sure. Fun thread though.

You are changing the goal posts

We are not asking the average person

But true, people may not know the names but way more people will recognise the watches vs any patek or ap

Mostly likely down to the massive coverage across motorsport, Olympics, golf and tennis

[huncho]

Originally Posted by vh2k

I love threads like this. Only watch nerds and really rich people know what a Patek or AP is. 99.9% of normal people could not name a Rolex model to save their life. None of these model names or sub-brands (Royal Oak, DateJust, etc.) are iconic or even known to the average person. World renowned??? Far from it.

Ask a normal person to name three brands of watches and the three most mentioned will be Timex, Casio, and Apple (not necessarily in that order). Will wealthy folks mention Rolex? Sure. Fun thread though.

you're very wrong if you think a normal person won't say rolex. everyone knows what rolex is, they may not know model names or how they look but 100% will know of the brand

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by bp1000

You are changing the goal posts

We are not asking the average person

But true, people may not know the names but way more people will recognise the watches vs any patek or ap

Mostly likely down to the massive coverage across motorsport, Olympics, golf and tennis

I’m going to say most people will not recognize a real Rolex watch. You can take ANY simple classic-looking/conservative gold watch (Timex or Seiko), put the coronet and “ROLEX” brand on the dial, and they will think it’s a Rolex. People just know Rolex makes expensive gold watches.

[bp1000]

Originally Posted by vh2k

I’m going to say most people will not recognize a real Rolex watch. You can take ANY simple classic-looking/conservative gold watch (Timex or Seiko), put the coronet and “ROLEX” brand on the dial, and they will think it’s a Rolex. People just know Rolex makes expensive gold watches.

I’m still not on about the average person

My original post simply made the point that Patek and AP are not know for having multiple smash hits.

Rolex however are. They have multiple product lines are loved all over the world.

The majority is down to product placement and marketing via sports and movie stars

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by bp1000

I’m still not on about the average person

My original post simply made the point that Patek and AP are not know for having multiple smash hits.

Rolex however are. They have multiple product lines are loved all over the world.

The majority is down to product placement and marketing via sports and movie stars

No real disagreement, brother. Rolex has many lines of watches of which Rolex watch enthusiasts are aware. Those different models are well known — within that very small community.

[Roy7]

This is like comparing a Ferrari to a BMW.

Sure if they made a ton of Ferrari’s and they cost the 40k then maybe a BMW would win...

But they’re not anywhere near the same.

But for the sake of comparison - I think a Daytona is the closest?

The president is celebrated because of the PM - barring that the Daytona is the flagship?



Super incendiary but still funny.

Just putting it out there - my Hulk is my favorite watch that I wear more than anything else.

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[Burlington]

Originally Posted by Sg6067

OP so sorry to have highjacked your thread with this nonsense, it was not my intent.
Chester, I’ll respond to all your comments in one post. No one is arguing with you about the robustness of Rolex. Rolex in general makes a more robust product than AP or PP. They definitely have a different niche. No one is arguing over the true definition of a sports watch either. It is a loosely used term and some are more high end / delicate than others. 99.9 percent of people who buy a Rolex could care less that it was ever worn in combat. At this point they are jewelry for most and no longer true tool watches at their current price points. Congratulations on your active lifestyle and for having the nerve to wear your Rolex while toppling over the handlebars while on your bike ride. I’m sure your medal is in the mail. To availability, I seem to remember a lot of Rolex’s popular sport models sitting in cases at the AD’s as recently as 2016. The ss craze spans most popular luxury watch brands. The overarching theme here is really, if you don’t like it don’t buy it. But your preference for tool watches does not invalidate two entire brands and all of high end horology for others.
Which watch would you nominate as Rolex’s most comparable more delicate “sports” watch to answer the original question? DJ or Daytona? Let’s let OP have his thread.

That sums things up magnificently