6263 Big Red printing font

[Rolessor82]

Hi everyone,

Take a look at the last "A". Any thoughts of possible causes?

Is not the crystal.

Thank you

[Rolessor82]

Is this a legit/fake dial?

[EH92]

Im no expert in 4digits daytona but the dial seems to be redialed or fake. Sth also wrong with the "N". The letter N is not as sharp enough

Can u show us a higher resolution image of the whole dial?

https://rolexpassionmarket.com/wp-co...1200x1148.jpeg
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Here are two dial for comparison. yours looks like the first one. the one with thicker font

[EH92]

That being said, u should wait for comments from the experts in this forum

[TuRo]

Only had a quick look.... but the 4 things I look for are there.

Very good photos btw.

1 D slightly too far away from A

2 Egg shaped O

3 Y nearly touching T

4 Very flat topped A's

EH 92 put up two useful examples.

There are 2 version of this non floating. The thin font high serif much neater style font darker red, and fat font less serif and a bit brighter red and quite often by far the smudgiest like a 1680 red under a 50x microscope. If you look there is smudging to all the letter btw, the A is worst though.

TBH The reason I prefer the the Sigma over big red, is that the Daytona (and SUBMARINER/SEA-DWELLER 1680/1665 reds, and early 4 line's last two lines on a 5512 matte etc)... can look a bit 'after the lord mayors show' to me....and that's of course because it is done as a separate last step in dial completion.

This one is the latter if correct with the high paint fill on top left and bottom right of the N ..but I'd like other opinions....

Rgds P

[EH92]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Only had a quick look.... but the 4 things I look for are there.

Very good photos btw.

1 D slightly too far away from A

2 Egg shaped O

3 Y nearly touching T

4 Very flat topped A's

EH 92 put up two useful examples.

There are 2 version of this non floating. The thin font high serif much neater style font darker red, and fat font less serif and a bit brighter red and quite often by far the smudgiest like a 1680 red under a 50x microscope. If you look there is smudging to all the letter btw, the A is worst though.

TBH The reason I prefer the the Sigma over big red, is that the Daytona (and SUBMARINER/SEA-DWELLER 1680/1665 reds, and early 4 line's last two lines on a 5512 matte etc)... can look a bit 'after the lord mayors show' to me....and that's of course because it is done as a separate last step in dial completion.

This one is the latter if correct with the high paint fill on top left and bottom right of the N ..but I'd like other opinions....

Rgds P

Hi Turo, are saying that the dial is real but it suffer from manufacturing error in the "DAYTONA".

How often such error occur esp in the big red daytona?

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by EH92

Hi Turo, are saying that the dial is real but it suffer from manufacturing error in the "DAYTONA".

How often such error occur esp in the big red daytona?

Let's see what others say but serifs on subdials correct too... and I meant Op's is like former (as you said) not the latter one.

[Rolessor82]

It could be a flaw from production....could be.








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I haven't seen this MUCH of Daytonas dials, but it is the first one I see with this, hence the thread.

Big question arises: is this a fake one?

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by Rolessor82

It could be a flaw from production....could be.








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I haven't seen this MUCH of Daytonas dials, but it is the first one I see with this, hence the thread.

Big question arises: is this a fake one?

Could you post a pic of the full dial?

[Rolessor82]

Sure! Hope this one helps

[swaini3]

I vote genuine. Probably a manufacturer defect. Everything else checks out. Some hour markers are not aligned perfectly but I've seen that on these dials.

[swish77]

I'd want to see the entire dial to be sure, but from that close-up, it looks good. (What's the case serial number?)

That's a minor flaw that could have been made by a careless watchmaker who nicked it somehow. If you look around that area of the dial, there are a couple of other minor marks. Or perhaps it's a printing flaw.

Either way, this was the '70s. Not everything was perfect, perfect from the factory. Look at my 6263 dial for comparison. Note how my 6 o'clock hour dot is a little off. Yes, that's the way Rolex did it sometimes back in the day.

[baumare]

I’m more inclined to think about a smudge from the original pad printing than a subsequent manipulation…

[offrdmania]

Keep in mind that dials were not printed in house back then. They were contracted out to multiple companies and the QC wasnt always the best. Rolex watches back then were not collector items as they are today so most likely the small details under a loupe didnt matter

[Rolessor82]

Here are two more pics of the dial. Close-up pics.

The hour hand seems to have tool marks also. Doesn't look like rust.

[KY..]

The DAYTONA script sure is close to the hour sub-dial.
Kind-of the opposite of a floating Daytona Big Red dial, but I don’t recall seeing one that close to the sub-dial on a silver/white Big Red before.
Although all the font shapes are close to other Big Red dials, I’m not quite sure what to think of it.
As mentioned multiple dial vendors back then and perhaps Rolex and QC were not totally in sync.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by KY..

The DAYTONA script sure is close to the hour sub-dial.
Kind-of the opposite of a floating Daytona Big Red dial, but I don’t recall seeing one that close to the sub-dial on a silver/white Big Red before.
Although all the font shapes are close to other Big Red dials, I’m not quite sure what to think of it.
As mentioned multiple dial vendors back then and perhaps Rolex and QC were not totally in sync.

It is close (like a service or so-called Small Red), but this Big Red is also v close and a gnat's whisker away from OP's one. Glad a few of you concurred with my initial thoughts btw.

Rolex Daytona
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https://chrono24.app/rolex/rolex-cos...GB&SETCURR=GBP

[Rolessor82]

the watch is from 1986

[Rolessor82]

It's a fat font Big Red. Don´t know what others think but I´ve seen many 80s Big Red with the red lettering with fat font and 70s with a more "thin font". BUT it caught my attention that "A" off, possible tool mark accident? fake?

That's why I opened this thread

[KY..]

Originally Posted by TuRo

It is close (like a service or so-called Small Red), but this Big Red is also v close and a gnat's whisker away from OP's one. Glad a few of you concurred with my initial thoughts btw.

Rolex Daytona
Price on request
https://chrono24.app/rolex/rolex-cos...GB&SETCURR=GBP

Yes Paul, that is my point.
The example you gave is the black dialed big red and I’ve only seen the fonts close to the sub-dial on some black big red dials and the small reds.
I have not seen the script that close on a silver/white big red dial.
I only wonder if the big red script could have gotten added later to a silver dial or if that’s just the way it left the factory originally?
I would think the later because it looks the part except it’s close.

Originally Posted by Rolessor82

It's a fat font Big Red. Don´t know what others think but I´ve seen many 80s Big Red with the red lettering with fat font and 70s with a more "thin font". BUT it caught my attention that "A" off, possible tool mark accident? fake?

That's why I opened this thread

My question is about the closeness of the script to the sub-dial, and the rough “A” may or may not have something to do with it.
Could it have been added later to an original dial?
Who knows?
It does look unusually close to me for a silver big red dial even though the fonts look ok.
So if there’s one there should be more that close; and another example probably should be found just to make sure.

[Rolessor82]

Good observations!

Originally Posted by KY..

Yes Paul, that is my point.
The example you gave is the black dialed big red and I’ve only seen the fonts close to the sub-dial on some black big red dials and the small reds.
I have not seen the script that close on a silver/white big red dial.
I only wonder if the big red script could have gotten added later to a silver dial or if that’s just the way it left the factory originally?
I would think the later because it looks the part except it’s close.


My question is about the closeness of the script to the sub-dial, and the rough “A” may or may not have something to do with it.
Could it have been added later to an original dial?
Who knows?
It does look unusually close to me for a silver big red dial even though the fonts look ok.
So if there’s one there should be more that close; and another example probably should be found just to make sure.

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by KY..

Yes Paul, that is my point.
The example you gave is the black dialed big red and I’ve only seen the fonts close to the sub-dial on some black big red dials and the small reds.
I have not seen the script that close on a silver/white big red dial.
I only wonder if the big red script could have gotten added later to a silver dial or if that’s just the way it left the factory originally?
I would think the later because it looks the part except it’s close.


My question is about the closeness of the script to the sub-dial, and the rough “A” may or may not have something to do with it.
Could it have been added later to an original dial?
Who knows?
It does look unusually close to me for a silver big red dial even though the fonts look ok.
So if there’s one there should be more that close; and another example probably should be found just to make sure.

They do come close to subdials on white dials. Even on service dials. I'll dig some up and post soon.

[springer]

For me, whether genuine or aftermarket, the "A" in Daytona appears to be a printing error or possibly a tool mark.

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by swaini3

They do come close to subdials on white dials. Even on service dials. I'll dig some up and post soon.

pics from sheartime & lunaroyster

[KY..]

Originally Posted by swaini3

pics from sheartime & lunaroyster

Thank you for the examples of the text being close to the sub-dial on silvers Mo… Good stuff…
Regards, Keith

[daysky1]

I'm with you on this I believe it was released from Rolex

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by KY..

Thank you for the examples of the text being close to the sub-dial on silvers Mo… Good stuff…
Regards, Keith

[fabiobec]

Originally Posted by KY..

Thank you for the examples of the text being close to the sub-dial on silvers Mo… Good stuff…
Regards, Keith

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