Vacheron 222 in steel

[DoricSpiker]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

I will look forwards to many incomings here. Hopefully, they will not be too hard to buy after the initial release.

There has to be many incomings. I have read thousands of posts over the years from people saying they would buy this in steel. Get it bought folks! Don’t tell me the dial colour doesn’t work for you, get out there!


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[Cru Jones]

A hands on with the SS 222 and side-by-side with the YG:

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by DoricSpiker

There has to be many incomings. I have read thousands of posts over the years from people saying they would buy this in steel.

It will be interesting to see how their chosen pricing for stainless steel affects demand (once typical initial hype wears off). What pricing did you think it would be?

[DoricSpiker]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

It will be interesting to see how their chosen pricing for stainless steel affects demand (once typical initial hype wears off). What pricing did you think it would be?

It’s really pricey I know. May have had a few drinks the other night!!


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[subtona]

Originally Posted by HL65

Haha if that were the case I would have plenty of options to choose from! Maybe an inverted heel hook for the 222!

Thanks my friend!

I was thinking submission…you goring straight for the knockout

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by DoricSpiker

It’s really pricey I know. May have had a few drinks the other night!!

LOL, all good

No doubt the VC 222 SS is a great timepiece, and nice to see screws in the bracelet for sizing.

[sensui]

Originally Posted by subtona

I was thinking submission…you goring straight for the knockout

Actually.... That's a really great submission.....

[HL65]

Originally Posted by subtona

I was thinking submission…you goring straight for the knockout

LOL - I have 26 years of submissions so my favorite is inverted heel hook! Most can’t defend it!

Originally Posted by sensui

Actually.... That's a really great submission.....

You know it John! My favorite!!

[jcdevoe26]

Originally Posted by Giangos

I think most of the comments regarding the aesthetic of this watch are somewhat misleading.

The 222 is a release under the brands “historic” line. Meaning it is basically a rerelease of a watch from the brand’s past. It is made to be as faithful to the original as possible. Yes there are some changes, the movement being the most significant, and some changes to the bracelet to improve the wearer comfort. But the overall look is the same, the wording on the dial, and the case size etc etc.

It’s not for everyone, but it needs to be taken in the context of what it is. A nod to the maisons past. It is not a new line, it is not an overseas. The brand has plenty of other references if you want water resistance and power reserve and complications etc etc.

It’s beautiful and perfect in it’s own right.




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Well stated...this is a historical reference not a modern reference. This is for those like myself love vintage references, but do not want the headaches that come with owning an actual vintage reference. I bought my Speedmaster 321 for the same reason and I love it. This would be my first VC if am able to get one. I registered interest on the US website and was immediately contacted by an E-boutique Rep. and we have a nice long conversation about this piece....I am hopeful to own one by the end of the year...but have no problem waiting longer like I did with my speedmaster.

[jcdevoe26]

Originally Posted by Giangos

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See now that is really cool...a tiny little nod, instead of a big flashy rotor with 50 on it like another brand. This is a watch for a certain understated crowd I believe...I now also wonder if that little 270 etching will only be on the watches actually produced this year?

[chunkythebulldog]

Pretty nice watch. Dial colour looks better in person than on photos as it looks washed out. Name down but with only circa 4 watches per year allocated could be a while off.

[ChetBaker]

In pictures the dial looks a little subdued compared to the 16202/5711 but on the wrist I really liked it, it’s not flashy but understated and just oozes quiet luxury. Great shade of blue as well. The bracelet is fantastic and I like that it’s fully brushed. The movement is fine - I would have preferred the old 1120 but the finishing is at least on par with the 16202/5711. There’s one internal angle on the bridges, even though it’s fairly soft - it’s there. The date window is framed and looks to be carefully finished. Size is great, definitely wears bigger than its rated 37mm, this is more like a 39/40mm watch. No flare on the endlinks, they turn straight down vs an Overseas or RO so fits like a glove for most wrists. Overal a great package and I have asked to be placed on the waiting list.

[ts3]

I am amazed by everybody getting on the list for this remake. It is a very nice watch with a lovely bracelet but you all could have had the OG for many, many years no problem. I get that vintage is not for everybody but I am still surprised how many people are all excited about a predictable release that might get a little boring rather quickly. One could argue a 16202 or 5711 can also get boring but both of those are less "middle of the road" in terms of looks.

[Ichiran]

I throw my name in the hat after trying at the boutique. The dial looks better in the flesh as mentioned by ChetBaker above, and I love that silky smooth bracelet and the size of the watch. There were many who expressed interest before me and I might only get it in 2040.

[ChetBaker]

Originally Posted by ts3

I am amazed by everybody getting on the list for this remake. It is a very nice watch with a lovely bracelet but you all could have had the OG for many, many years no problem. I get that vintage is not for everybody but I am still surprised how many people are all excited about a predictable release that might get a little boring rather quickly. One could argue a 16202 or 5711 can also get boring but both of those are less "middle of the road" in terms of looks.

The original 222 Jumbo’s are very rare and go for multiples of the RRP of the Historiques release. And many folks don’t want to enter the minefield that vintage watch collecting can be. Just like all Royal Oak or Nautilus buyers are not getting a 5402 or 3700 instead of one of the many different variations that came after them. I don’t think one can argue looks - you either like it or you don’t, it’s really down to taste. Maybe you prefer a little more bling and a 16202 will give you that, both in terms of case and bracelet design. Others prefer something more under the radar. What you can’t argue is size and fit. This 222 fits brilliantly on my 17cm wrist, slightly bigger than a 5711 but it fits much better than a 15300 due to the endlinks not flaring out at all - and I expect this will be the same vs a 15202/16202. Anyway - go try it and you might like it better than you expect.

[ts3]

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

The original 222 Jumbo’s are very rare and go for multiples of the RRP of the Historiques release. And many folks don’t want to enter the minefield that vintage watch collecting can be. Just like all Royal Oak or Nautilus buyers are not getting a 5402 or 3700 instead of one of the many different variations that came after them. I don’t think one can argue looks - you either like it or you don’t, it’s really down to taste. Maybe you prefer a little more bling and a 16202 will give you that, both in terms of case and bracelet design. Others prefer something more under the radar. What you can’t argue is size and fit. This 222 fits brilliantly on my 17cm wrist, slightly bigger than a 5711 but it fits much better than a 15300 due to the endlinks not flaring out at all - and I expect this will be the same vs a 15202/16202. Anyway - go try it and you might like it better than you expect.

Maybe I am just surprised because I decided against getting a 37mm steel 222 some 5 or 6 years ago. Very much liked the watch, similar wrist size like you, but as a man of few watches I felt in the end that it would not get enough wrist time compared to my 5711 / I don't need both. Funny enough I had gotten in line for 5711 only after missing out on a full set with cork box 3700 earlier. The one that has me intrigued these days is the Romain Gauthier C but I have yet to try one on.

[sss205]

Has anyone gotten any indication of how many 222s boutiques will be getting?

I have purchase history from a couple years ago (1921), and I have good relationship with the boutique folks, but they couldn't give me any idea of timing. Wondering if they're slow rolling these like 4-5 per boutique or potentially more. I know there are VIPs that are probably slated to get the first batch.

[ars1g09]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I throw my name in the hat after trying at the boutique. The dial looks better in the flesh as mentioned by ChetBaker above, and I love that silky smooth bracelet and the size of the watch. There were many who expressed interest before me and I might only get it in 2040.

exactly same situation. did you go with the ion or MBS boutique

[Audevache]

Originally Posted by sss205

Has anyone gotten any indication of how many 222s boutiques will be getting?

I have purchase history from a couple years ago (1921), and I have good relationship with the boutique folks, but they couldn't give me any idea of timing. Wondering if they're slow rolling these like 4-5 per boutique or potentially more. I know there are VIPs that are probably slated to get the first batch.

That number may even be high. From what I heard from my SA, There are a little less than 100 boutiques in the world (partially owned by Richemont, partially externally owned), VC only produces 20-30K watches per year, over hundreds of references. Nobody knows how many steel 222s will be produced, but I'd expect it anywhere between 200-500. (I know that AP with >60K watches annually and a strong focus on the RO produces less than 1000 of the 16202 per year).

[Giangos]

Originally Posted by Audevache

That number may even be high. From what I heard from my SA, There are a little less than 100 boutiques in the world (partially owned by Richemont, partially externally owned), VC only produces 20-30K watches per year, over hundreds of references. Nobody knows how many steel 222s will be produced, but I'd expect it anywhere between 200-500. (I know that AP with >60K watches annually and a strong focus on the RO produces less than 1000 of the 16202 per year).

I’ve heard 3-4 per boutique per year, with a total production run of about 600. Then a dial color change.
I expect these numbers would be close, with only Richemont really knowing what the plan is.


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[Audevache]

Here’s a pic on my wrist by the way. I like it but I think I would have preferred the original grey/black dial.

[ChetBaker]

Originally Posted by Giangos

I’ve heard 3-4 per boutique per year, with a total production run of about 600. Then a dial color change.
I expect these numbers would be close, with only Richemont really knowing what the plan is.


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That would be really cool - make 600 and call it a day. New dial colour - another 600. But: there are approx 170 boutiques. That would be 3 watches per boutique on average. If your average per year is correct then the liefespan of the blue dial would be a single year. That sounds a little short and without precedent in the Historiques line?

[Audevache]

Originally Posted by Giangos

I’ve heard 3-4 per boutique per year, with a total production run of about 600. Then a dial color change.
I expect these numbers would be close, with only Richemont really knowing what the plan is.


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Good to know they my be planning a dial color change. I have way too many blue dial watches already.


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[Giangos]

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

That would be really cool - make 600 and call it a day. New dial colour - another 600. But: there are approx 170 boutiques. That would be 3 watches per boutique on average. If your average per year is correct then the liefespan of the blue dial would be a single year. That sounds a little short and without precedent in the Historiques line?

You will see more dial colors and more sizes and probably a two tone. Possibly even this year.

One year for the blue dial seems correct to me.


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[salnuaimi]

first one sold in grey was today in dubai for 37k usd

[Duke Nukem]

Originally Posted by salnuaimi

first one sold in grey was today in dubai for 37k usd

Wow, that's only a few thousand more than retail price in the USA.

[salnuaimi]

Originally Posted by Duke Nukem

Wow, that's only a few thousand more than retail price in the USA.

Super cheap. I missed it by 10 min

Wondering if the price will really be that much only and the demand we see is just a hype


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[ChetBaker]

The market is still very much down so VC will have to tread carefully. Drip release and gauge used interest. Who knows with geopolitics developing positively the market can pick up again.

Edit: was that 37K incl taxes? Care to share a link to the dealer site?

[Duke Nukem]

Originally Posted by salnuaimi

Super cheap. I missed it by 10 min

Wondering if the price will really be that much only and the demand we see is just a hype


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If the price was that low close to release, it makes me think it'll only go lower as more units become available on the market.

[sss205]

It's tough to imagine 4-5 pieces per boutique. At that point, it would be years before non-VIPs would get one, which I can't believe would align with Richemont's strategy.