ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

rolexdabomb · 23 March 2010, 03:12 PM

I was just wondering, how accurate is a non COSC Submariner?

rolexdabomb · 23 March 2010, 05:07 PM

No one knows?

Jason71 · 23 March 2010, 05:51 PM

Mine runs +1.5 sec/day, but I am sure other 14060Ms vary from watch to watch. I wouldn't get caught-up in the COSC vs non-COSC. All of the Rolex movements are AWESOME IMHO.

Omega_Precision · 23 March 2010, 05:55 PM

All Rolex movements are great.

COSC means Rolex tunes the watch to COSC specs.

While others are not carefully tuned to those specs. Why spend the time on it? They are still accurate.

ayres · 23 March 2010, 06:00 PM

as long as we're talking of the 14060m... there's no difference between the two... i've had both, and they are run by the same dependable 3130 movement. it really comes down to whether or not the additional dial text is a attractive.

padi56 · 23 March 2010, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexdabomb

I was just wondering, how accurate is a non COSC Submariner?

Its as accurate as any in the Rolex line up its exactly the same movement that was in the sub and Explorer either Cal 3000 or Cal 3130 14060 and 14060M Sub or Explorer.At one time the non date Sub was not tested but now the complete line up is COSC tested but today the COSC is little more than a pure marketing ploy.

chrislkb · 23 March 2010, 08:40 PM

Watchmaker to test? I dunno

mike · 23 March 2010, 10:58 PM

As padi said it uses the same movement that's in the Explorer. It'll be just as consistent as any other.

Tools · 24 March 2010, 12:39 AM

I've never seen any difference in my Subs from any of the others in the box..

eagle_lex · 24 March 2010, 01:03 AM

i have one COSC sub and one (14060m) without. they both run the same. both are 10 years old and have never been serviced.

Safetrends · 24 March 2010, 01:18 AM

Larry, are all the movements COSC?

The Sub is just one not on the list?

Or am I just confused and do not know what the hell I am talking about.

Need more coffee.

RolexADinFL · 24 March 2010, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexdabomb

I was just wondering, how accurate is a non COSC Submariner?

They are all COSC, they just did not have it on the dial

Believe it or not.....

AD

Tools · 24 March 2010, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safetrends

Larry, are all the movements COSC?

The Sub is just one not on the list?

Or am I just confused and do not know what the hell I am talking about.

Need more coffee.

Hey... I don't want to confuse anybody... all my Subs are non COSC (I don't have one of the newer ones)... My Sub Dates are COSC, as well as the GMT's and Exp II's, etc...

CKLinLA · 24 March 2010, 01:56 AM

Mine runs about -1 sec a day.

I think this comes down to whether you believe the Rolex quality control process was any different when they made the non COSC vs COSC Subs. In anycase, all the non COSC are now old enough that many/most have been serviced/recalibrated, rendering the original COSC certification rather meaningless..

The earlier poster is right - in practical terms, it comes down to whether you prefer the 2 liners of text of the non COSC, or the usual 4 lines.

padi56 · 24 March 2010, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolexADinFL

They are all COSC, they just did not have it on the dial

Believe it or not.....

AD

Well today the Swiss COSC is little more than for pure marketing.As today nearly every modern movement with some careful regulation could pass the Swiss COSC test.With the help of my watchmaker friend done several experiments with movements from quite a few brands.The best to date was
a Seagull ST19 chronograph Chinese movement.Out of the box it was + 7-+10
seconds a day,after regulation well inside the COSC spec, And that watch cost just $60 and is still running inside COSC spec after 3 years but has been re-regulated to keep it there.

Roxas · 24 March 2010, 03:50 AM

Not having COSC doesn't mean it doesn't pass the COSC standard.
It just means Rolex didn't send it to get tested and certified.

Ck8 · 24 March 2010, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexdabomb

I was just wondering, how accurate is a non COSC Submariner?

Probably more accurate than the COSC sub; as COSC does not represent much other than a marketing tool.

TheBluePrince · 24 March 2010, 05:05 AM

There is no difference in accuracy.

The only difference is that Rolex pays for the one's in the Sub that says SCOC on the dial to be tested at COSC.

DRAWTOOL · 24 March 2010, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKLinLA

Mine runs about -1 sec a day.

Same here.

2th Dr · 24 March 2010, 05:16 AM

-5/+7 ?

23 March 2010, 03:12 PM	#1
rolexdabomb Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Kevin Costa Location: NewBedFord Ma Watch: My new gmt master2 Posts: 35	How accurate is a non COSC Submariner? I was just wondering, how accurate is a non COSC Submariner?

23 March 2010, 05:51 PM	#3
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	Mine runs +1.5 sec/day, but I am sure other 14060Ms vary from watch to watch. I wouldn't get caught-up in the COSC vs non-COSC. All of the Rolex movements are AWESOME IMHO. __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

23 March 2010, 08:40 PM	#7
chrislkb "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Christopher Location: Singapore Watch: out kiddo! Posts: 1,033	Watchmaker to test? I dunno __________________ Viva La Rolex

24 March 2010, 12:39 AM	#9
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,502	I've never seen any difference in my Subs from any of the others in the box.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

24 March 2010, 01:56 AM	#14
CKLinLA "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: KL Location: Los Angeles Watch: Explorer II Black Posts: 1,480	Mine runs about -1 sec a day. I think this comes down to whether you believe the Rolex quality control process was any different when they made the non COSC vs COSC Subs. In anycase, all the non COSC are now old enough that many/most have been serviced/recalibrated, rendering the original COSC certification rather meaningless.. The earlier poster is right - in practical terms, it comes down to whether you prefer the 2 liners of text of the non COSC, or the usual 4 lines. __________________ Explorer II 1655; Day Date 1803; Submariner 14060; Deepsea Sea-Dweller 116660; 5-Digit Datejusts; Perpetual Date 1500 and 15000; Pelagos FXD M25707B; Omega Dynamic 'Targa Florio' 5291.51.07; 'Good Planet' GMT 232.30.44.22.03.001; Planet Ocean 215.30.40.20.03.002; Zenith Chronomaster Original 03.3200.3600/22.M3200.

23 March 2010, 05:07 PM	#2
rolexdabomb Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Kevin Costa Location: NewBedFord Ma Watch: My new gmt master2 Posts: 35	No one knows?

23 March 2010, 05:55 PM	#4
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	All Rolex movements are great. COSC means Rolex tunes the watch to COSC specs. While others are not carefully tuned to those specs. Why spend the time on it? They are still accurate.

23 March 2010, 06:00 PM	#5
ayres "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: honolulu Watch: whatever runs Posts: 551	as long as we're talking of the 14060m... there's no difference between the two... i've had both, and they are run by the same dependable 3130 movement. it really comes down to whether or not the additional dial text is a attractive.

23 March 2010, 10:58 PM	#8
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	As padi said it uses the same movement that's in the Explorer. It'll be just as consistent as any other.

24 March 2010, 01:03 AM	#10
eagle_lex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Ed Location: Lexington, Ky Watch: AP and Rolex Posts: 541	i have one COSC sub and one (14060m) without. they both run the same. both are 10 years old and have never been serviced.

24 March 2010, 01:18 AM	#11
Safetrends Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: David Walz Location: San Diego CA USA Watch: my hand. :) Posts: 9,156	Larry, are all the movements COSC? The Sub is just one not on the list? Or am I just confused and do not know what the hell I am talking about. Need more coffee.

24 March 2010, 03:50 AM	#16
Roxas "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Earth Watch: 14060M Posts: 516	Not having COSC doesn't mean it doesn't pass the COSC standard. It just means Rolex didn't send it to get tested and certified.

24 March 2010, 05:05 AM	#18
TheBluePrince "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 2,081	There is no difference in accuracy. The only difference is that Rolex pays for the one's in the Sub that says SCOC on the dial to be tested at COSC.

24 March 2010, 05:16 AM	#20
2th Dr Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Mark-O! Location: Arlington, TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 12,714	-5/+7 ?

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode