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Cru Jones · 1 April 2010, 01:55 AM

i noticed another thread was locked due to a violation of TRF rule #5 (copied below). can i just ask, what's the concern about discussing fake watches, etc.? is it b/c of how it might make the forum appear to outsiders? or, might the concern be that tips re: fakes might fall in the wrong hands? or, might it be that discussions re: fakes usually end up getting negative? something else?

just a question....if this is an inappropriate subject matter, i apologize and mods please delete....not trying to ruffle any feathers! especially being new around here.....

TRF rules 5

5. THIS IS NOT A FORUM FOR THE DISCUSSION OF FAKE WATCHES, BRACELETS ETC, and your opinion about FAKE WATCHES and who makes them, sells them, buys them and wears them is NOT welcome.

The GMT Master · 1 April 2010, 01:58 AM

I'm sure the Mods can give a full explanation, but I believe the general jist is that plenty of other sites deal with fakes, but TRF likes to deal with the real thing. It can also cause some pretty heated discussions, which inevitably leads to hostility, and that's the last thing we want

Kokyuryoku · 1 April 2010, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The GMT Master

I'm sure the Mods can give a full explanation, but I believe the general jist is that plenty of other sites deal with fakes, but TRF likes to deal with the real thing. It can also cause some pretty heated discussions, which inevitably leads to hostility, and that's the last thing we want

What he said

DRAWTOOL · 1 April 2010, 02:11 AM

You can discuss fakes ect. in the WatchOut!!! section of this forum.

alphamale2012 · 1 April 2010, 02:22 AM

Don't do it. Its almost like discussing Athiesm in church.

Tools · 1 April 2010, 02:23 AM

There are at least 2 good reasons......

1. This is a Forum about Rolex; not fakes. We go into depth and detail about the authentic product and enjoy discussions pertaining to Rolex and it's models... Education about an authentic Rolex is valuable knowledge. If you know what a Rolex is, you will then know what a Rolex isn't, and you never have to try to remember that a fake has or doesn't have such-and-such. If you want to know about fakes...there are other Forums dedicted to those..

2. Discussions about fakes always degrades into a shouting match and hate-fest, then direct attack or assault on individuals whos opinions differ..... We almost always end up banning somebody when such discussions become hostile..

Cru Jones · 1 April 2010, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

There are at least 2 good reasons......

1. This is a Forum about Rolex; not fakes. We go into depth and detail about the authentic product and enjoy discussions pertaining to Rolex and it's models... Education about an authentic Rolex is valuable knowledge. If you know what a Rolex is, you will then know what a Rolex isn't, and you never have to try to remember that a fake has or doesn't have such-and-such. If you want to know about fakes...there are other Forums dedicted to those..

2. Discussions about fakes always degrades into a shouting match and hate-fest, then direct attack or assault on individuals whos opinions differ..... We almost always end up banning somebody when such discussions become hostile..

cool. makes complete sense to me, thanks for taking the time to respond to my question.

i just hope you don't ban JJ over his other thread!! things wouldn't be the same around here....LOL.

moviefreak · 1 April 2010, 02:48 AM

I believe J.J signed an agreement that he can not be banned from TRF.. if someone has the thread.. please post it. I guess you can do like him once you become TRF Royalty..

JJ Irani · 1 April 2010, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by moviefreak

I believe J.J signed an agreement that he can not be banned from TRF.. if someone has the thread.. please post it. I guess you can do like him once you become TRF Royalty..

No one is beyond the law and unbannable.

I know my limitations and I think the Mods know that too!!!

mike · 1 April 2010, 03:02 AM

Bill,

I'm the one that closed the thread. As stated TRF is a forum to discuss and learn about all things Rolex.

Aside from the legalities of fakes, the discussion of fake pieces can't do any good for the forum. As Larry stated there are other places for that.

More importantly I can't help but consider those that have sweat blood and studied hard to assemble a collection of pieces (whether large or small) that they feel justifiably proud of.
To allow the blatent discussion of fake pieces seems like a slap in the face to them. (Perhaps even more so for the guy that worked his tosh off to afford that one special watch that's his "crown for every achievement".)

That's not to say we can't ask/answer questions about a particular watch/reference. Such is how we all learn. However, to "elevate" any fake to a discussion akin to the real deal is something that cannot stand.

Cru Jones · 1 April 2010, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

Bill,

I'm the one that closed the thread. As stated TRF is a forum to discuss and learn about all things Rolex.

Aside from the legalities of fakes, the discussion of fake pieces can't do any good for the forum. As Larry stated there are other places for that.

More importantly I can't help but consider those that have sweat blood and studied hard to assemble a collection of pieces (whether large or small) that they feel justifiably proud of.
To allow the blatent discussion of fake pieces seems like a slap in the face to them. (Perhaps even more so for the guy that worked his tosh off to afford that one special watch that's his "crown for every achievement".)

That's not to say we can't ask/answer questions about a particular watch/reference. Such is how we all learn. However, to "elevate" any fake to a discussion akin to the real deal is something that cannot stand.

fantastic points, thanks.

i like and appreciate that there is a concerted effort to keep the positive vibes going on the board (with a light enough hand to allow some good natured jokes, too). i can definitely see how not having a rule like rule #5 could bring some people down when they'd see such threads on the board.

Safetrends · 1 April 2010, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

No one is beyond the law and unbannable.

I know my limitations and I think the Mods know that too!!!

JJ You have a pass issued to you by the mods.

padi56 · 1 April 2010, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safetrends

JJ You have a pass issued to you by the mods.

Everyone gets treated the same on TRF friend or foe, break the rules or cross the line of decorum, then is possible they will be shown the door.

Porsche · 1 April 2010, 09:46 PM

Glad I saw this thread. Something I always wanted to know, but was afraid to ask!

I'm 110% behind the philosophy... lets not even use the "F" word!!!

marcinthemiddle · 4 April 2010, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphamale2012

Don't do it. Its almost like discussing Athiesm in church.

It's just distasteful....fakes and all...

bewithabob · 4 April 2010, 12:45 AM

Sound philosophy. Thanks to TRF for settin up the orange cones to warn when there are curves ahead and yellow tape around the crime scenes involving counterfeits and dishonest transactions. I hope the donation methods get resolved soon so I can pledge.

Rags · 5 April 2010, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by the gmt master

i'm sure the mods can give a full explanation, but i believe the general jist is that plenty of other sites deal with fakes, but trf likes to deal with the real thing. It can also cause some pretty heated discussions, which inevitably leads to hostility, and that's the last thing we want

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1 April 2010, 01:55 AM	#1
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,273	TRF rule #5 question i noticed another thread was locked due to a violation of TRF rule #5 (copied below). can i just ask, what's the concern about discussing fake watches, etc.? is it b/c of how it might make the forum appear to outsiders? or, might the concern be that tips re: fakes might fall in the wrong hands? or, might it be that discussions re: fakes usually end up getting negative? something else? just a question....if this is an inappropriate subject matter, i apologize and mods please delete....not trying to ruffle any feathers! especially being new around here..... TRF rules 5 5. THIS IS NOT A FORUM FOR THE DISCUSSION OF FAKE WATCHES, BRACELETS ETC, and your opinion about FAKE WATCHES and who makes them, sells them, buys them and wears them is NOT welcome.

1 April 2010, 02:23 AM	#6
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,502	There are at least 2 good reasons...... 1. This is a Forum about Rolex; not fakes. We go into depth and detail about the authentic product and enjoy discussions pertaining to Rolex and it's models... Education about an authentic Rolex is valuable knowledge. If you know what a Rolex is, you will then know what a Rolex isn't, and you never have to try to remember that a fake has or doesn't have such-and-such. If you want to know about fakes...there are other Forums dedicted to those.. 2. Discussions about fakes always degrades into a shouting match and hate-fest, then direct attack or assault on individuals whos opinions differ..... We almost always end up banning somebody when such discussions become hostile.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

1 April 2010, 02:48 AM	#8
moviefreak "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in my house... Posts: 5,524	I believe J.J signed an agreement that he can not be banned from TRF.. if someone has the thread.. please post it. I guess you can do like him once you become TRF Royalty.. __________________ Cheers, Eduardo Be a WIS not a WUSS... and remove all the stickers..

1 April 2010, 09:46 PM	#14
Porsche 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: John Location: ɹǝpun Watch: and learn Posts: 2,986	Glad I saw this thread. Something I always wanted to know, but was afraid to ask! I'm 110% behind the philosophy... lets not even use the "F" word!!! __________________ Obey Gravity, it's the Law! ROLEX --- SEIKO --- HEUER TRF REHAUT T H E R O L E X F O R U M T H E R O L E X F O R U M T H E R O L E X F O R U M T H E R O L E X F O R U M T H E R O L E X F O R U M T H E R O L E X F O R U M

4 April 2010, 12:45 AM	#16
bewithabob "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Bob Location: Dallas, Texas Watch: Daytona Meteorite Posts: 3,417	Sound philosophy. Thanks to TRF for settin up the orange cones to warn when there are curves ahead and yellow tape around the crime scenes involving counterfeits and dishonest transactions. I hope the donation methods get resolved soon so I can pledge. __________________ meteor flying to Earth onto my wrist... 116509 Daytona Meteorite, 116520 Daytona Black, 116710 GMTIIC, 16013 DATEJUST, CARTIER SANTOS 100 W20090X8, IWC Big Pilot, IWC Top Gun "Everything works out in the end. If it hasn't worked out, it's not the end."

1 April 2010, 01:58 AM	#2
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	I'm sure the Mods can give a full explanation, but I believe the general jist is that plenty of other sites deal with fakes, but TRF likes to deal with the real thing. It can also cause some pretty heated discussions, which inevitably leads to hostility, and that's the last thing we want

1 April 2010, 02:22 AM	#5
alphamale2012 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Sam Location: UK Posts: 1,305	Don't do it. Its almost like discussing Athiesm in church.

1 April 2010, 03:02 AM	#10
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Bill, I'm the one that closed the thread. As stated TRF is a forum to discuss and learn about all things Rolex. Aside from the legalities of fakes, the discussion of fake pieces can't do any good for the forum. As Larry stated there are other places for that. More importantly I can't help but consider those that have sweat blood and studied hard to assemble a collection of pieces (whether large or small) that they feel justifiably proud of. To allow the blatent discussion of fake pieces seems like a slap in the face to them. (Perhaps even more so for the guy that worked his tosh off to afford that one special watch that's his "crown for every achievement".) That's not to say we can't ask/answer questions about a particular watch/reference. Such is how we all learn. However, to "elevate" any fake to a discussion akin to the real deal is something that cannot stand.

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