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Brcmpbl · 8 August 2010, 01:08 PM

Hi Folks,

What's the highest approximate serial number typically associated with matte dialed 16800 Subs? The consensus seems to be that the glossy dial and white gold surrounds showed up mid year in 1985. The highest I've seen in limited research is approximately 8.6m. Thanks.

SLS · 8 August 2010, 02:06 PM

1985 is what most collectors use as the cutoff, or the high 8 million serial. Personally, I like 8.6 million or below to avoid dispute. FWIW, there have been 168000's that have shown up with Matte dials as well, but they are often disputed. To me, the matte 16800 is the perfect transitional!
Scott

Brcmpbl · 8 August 2010, 06:13 PM

Thanks for the reply...I've got my eyes on a matte dial 16800 from 1985. I'm going to see it in a few days and will look at the serial then, so thanks for the help.

Brian

padi56 · 8 August 2010, 06:36 PM

Agree with Scot but check between lugs many are faked 1680 wth the extra 0 punched in.

Brcmpbl · 9 August 2010, 05:54 AM

Anything stand out to anyone about this 16800? It is the best picture I have so far. Really appreciate your comments.

Brian

Brcmpbl · 9 August 2010, 11:41 AM

One additional picture. I know it is rather dark, but it is all I have. Any comments from the matte 16800 experts out there? Thanks again.

Brian

Tools · 9 August 2010, 01:21 PM

If you can find one with the matte dial and the numbers are even close, I would be sorely tempted...

The service replacement was frequently the surround dials and so very few matte 16800's survive.. Even if the matte was a service replacement to an original surround dial, it would be very hard to prove one way or the other.

Brcmpbl · 9 August 2010, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

If you can find one with the matte dial and the numbers are even close, I would be sorely tempted...

The service replacement was frequently the surround dials and so very few matte 16800's survive.. Even if the matte was a service replacement to an original surround dial, it would be very hard to prove one way or the other.

Good info, thanks. The pictures above are of the actual watch that I am tempted by...it clearly has no surrounds, and even though it is tough to tell for certain from the dark pictures, it sure looks like a matte. The price is very tempting, however, it is missing its box and papers (it has recent service records and is at a dealer, so authenticity isn't an issue)...I just want to make sure it has the correct dial...if not, I'll keep looking.

Brcmpbl · 10 August 2010, 12:55 AM

I'm in a tough debate between the 16800 above and a D serial Sub LV. Prices are roughly the same.

mike · 10 August 2010, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brcmpbl

Anything stand out to anyone about this 16800? It is the best picture I have so far. Really appreciate your comments.

Brian

Boy, I wish the photo was better and the hands were in a different position, but I don't see anything that jumps at me.

He's mine for comparison. Bit earlier with a 7 mil number

Brcmpbl · 10 August 2010, 02:36 AM

That's a fantastic example there, nice watch.

Brcmpbl · 11 August 2010, 12:59 AM

Anyone else?

8 August 2010, 01:08 PM	#1
Brcmpbl "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Calgary, Canada Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 164	16800 Matte Dial Serial Numbers Hi Folks, What's the highest approximate serial number typically associated with matte dialed 16800 Subs? The consensus seems to be that the glossy dial and white gold surrounds showed up mid year in 1985. The highest I've seen in limited research is approximately 8.6m. Thanks.

8 August 2010, 02:06 PM	#2
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	1985 is what most collectors use as the cutoff, or the high 8 million serial. Personally, I like 8.6 million or below to avoid dispute. FWIW, there have been 168000's that have shown up with Matte dials as well, but they are often disputed. To me, the matte 16800 is the perfect transitional! Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

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padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,035	Agree with Scot but check between lugs many are faked 1680 wth the extra 0 punched in. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

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Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,494	If you can find one with the matte dial and the numbers are even close, I would be sorely tempted... The service replacement was frequently the surround dials and so very few matte 16800's survive.. Even if the matte was a service replacement to an original surround dial, it would be very hard to prove one way or the other. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

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8 August 2010, 06:13 PM	#3
Brcmpbl "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Calgary, Canada Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 164	Thanks for the reply...I've got my eyes on a matte dial 16800 from 1985. I'm going to see it in a few days and will look at the serial then, so thanks for the help. Brian

10 August 2010, 12:55 AM	#9
Brcmpbl "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Calgary, Canada Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 164	I'm in a tough debate between the 16800 above and a D serial Sub LV. Prices are roughly the same.

10 August 2010, 02:36 AM	#11
Brcmpbl "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Calgary, Canada Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 164	That's a fantastic example there, nice watch.

11 August 2010, 12:59 AM	#12
Brcmpbl "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Calgary, Canada Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 164	Anyone else?

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