Tony (Spartan) Manikis Should be banned from TRF forum

[greekbum]

Originally Posted by MonBK

With this I agree and in all fairness I think Tony should provide the evidence from Rolex.

The op in his original post said this :I was shocked, to say the least, when I received the estimate of $1600 from Rolex! Not so much the fact that there were worn out gaskets and that the watch had zero waterproof protection, or that any of the near 30 year old parts that need replacing. No, I was shocked because Rolex refused to repair it unless I would replace the COUNTERFEIT crystal on the watch first.



To put this to rest will the OP post a document from Rolex on Rolex letterhead that says exactly what he wrote :
(No, I was shocked because Rolex refused to repair it unless I would replace the COUNTERFEIT crystal on the watch first.)

Tony Does the estimate say counterfeit crystal as you said it did?

An unsolicited PM from a friend of yours to me said he has seen it and according to what he wrote me I don't see the word counterfeit ?

My interest is in the crystal topic not the dealings of these 2 members. The Oysterquartz and the 1530 before it were the 1st Rolex watches that used sapphire crystals. They had many suppliers of crystals over the years. So what's real ,aftermarket , counterfeit and fake is what I want to know?

[Presa canary]

Originally Posted by greekbum

The op in his original post said this :I was shocked, to say the least, when I received the estimate of $1600 from Rolex! Not so much the fact that there were worn out gaskets and that the watch had zero waterproof protection, or that any of the near 30 year old parts that need replacing. No, I was shocked because Rolex refused to repair it unless I would replace the COUNTERFEIT crystal on the watch first.



To put this to rest will the OP post a document from Rolex on Rolex letterhead that says exactly what he wrote :
(No, I was shocked because Rolex refused to repair it unless I would replace the COUNTERFEIT
crystal on the watch first.)

Tony Does the estimate say counterfeit crystal as you said it did?
An unsolicited PM from a friend of yours to me said he has seen it and according to what he wrote me I don't see the word counterfeit ?

My interest is in the crystal topic not the dealings of these 2 members. The Oysterquartz and the 1530 before it were the 1st Rolex watches that used sapphire crystals. They had many suppliers of
crystals over the years. So what's real ,aftermarket , counterfeit and fake is what I want to know?

Obviously rolex could tell it wasn't their crystal. Hence making it counterfeit. The definition of counterfeit, something made cheap in this case prob $5, to resemble something else expensive, in this case $200. Plane and simple here, pay for a real fing crystal, or else don't claim it to be 100% authentic.

[MonBK]

I noticed Tony was here overseeing this thread so hopefully we get to see the paper soon.

[greekbum]

Originally Posted by Presa canary

Obviously rolex could tell it wasn't their crystal. Hence making it counterfeit. The definition of counterfeit, something made cheap in this case prob $5, to resemble something else expensive, in this case $200. Plane and simple here, pay for a real fing crystal, or else don't claim it to be 100% authentic.

It is my understanding that Rolex did not produce the crystals in the years this watch was made.


The buyer has said Rolex gave him an estimate for repair and in this estimate said as he wrote :
:I was shocked, to say the least, when I received the estimate of $1600 from Rolex! Not so much the fact that there were worn out gaskets and that the watch had zero waterproof protection, or that any of the near 30 year old parts that need replacing. No, I was shocked because Rolex refused to repair it unless I would replace the COUNTERFEIT crystal on the watch first.

This is a business deal between 2 forum members and my opinion doesn't really matter. Where is this estimate that says counterfeit as claimed at? Are we to all bash a good forum member without proof? Let's wait until it is posted IMHO

[Presa canary]

Originally Posted by greekbum

The buyer has said Rolex gave him an estimate for repair and in this estimate said as he wrote :
:I was shocked, to say the least, when I received the estimate of $1600 from Rolex! Not so much the fact that there were worn out gaskets and that the watch had zero waterproof protection, or that any of the near 30 year old parts that need replacing. No, I was shocked because Rolex refused to repair it unless I would replace the COUNTERFEIT crystal on the watch first.

This is a business deal between 2 forum members and my opinion doesn't really matter. Where is this estimate that says counterfeit as claimed at? Are we to all bash a good forum member without proof? Let's wait until it is posted IMHO

I never knew the counterfeit crystal was in question. The seller never said anything about it. But if the buyer wants to prove it, I don't think that would hurt his case.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by greekbum

It is my understanding that Rolex did not produce the crystals in the years this watch was made.


The buyer has said Rolex gave him an estimate for repair and in this estimate said as he wrote :
:I was shocked, to say the least, when I received the estimate of $1600 from Rolex! Not so much the fact that there were worn out gaskets and that the watch had zero waterproof protection, or that any of the near 30 year old parts that need replacing. No, I was shocked because Rolex refused to repair it unless I would replace the COUNTERFEIT crystal on the watch first.

This is a business deal between 2 forum members and my opinion doesn't really matter. Where is this estimate that says counterfeit as claimed at? Are we to all bash a good forum member without proof? Let's wait until it is posted IMHO

I don't really think it matters if it says counterfeit, aftermaket or non original as long as it states that it's not an authentic Rolex crystal.

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by monbk

i don't really think it matters if it says counterfeit, aftermaket or non original as long as it states that it's not an authentic rolex crystal.

x2

[nickb732]

Originally Posted by monbk

i don't really think it matters if it says counterfeit, aftermaket or non original as long as it states that it's not an authentic rolex crystal.

x3.. It's all just semantics. Same thing. Tomato, tomato.

[TempoKing]

Originally Posted by greekbum

It is my understanding that Rolex did not produce the crystals in the years this watch was made.


The buyer has said Rolex gave him an estimate for repair and in this estimate said as he wrote :
:I was shocked, to say the least, when I received the estimate of $1600 from Rolex! Not so much the fact that there were worn out gaskets and that the watch had zero waterproof protection, or that any of the near 30 year old parts that need replacing. No, I was shocked because Rolex refused to repair it unless I would replace the COUNTERFEIT crystal on the watch first.

This is a business deal between 2 forum members and my opinion doesn't really matter. Where is this estimate that says counterfeit as claimed at? Are we to all bash a good forum member without proof? Let's wait until it is posted IMHO

QUOTE=greekbum;4878048]Thank you Bobby for telling us that it doesn't say what Tony said it did. Non Rolex it may be as they didn't make it to begin with IMHO . Counterfeit as claimed was not on the document. This explains to me why the buyer never posted a picture of the estimate that was claimed to have said counterfeit but according to you does not. My interest in this topic is over.[/QUOTE]


Nick
I offered Tony a fantastic deal and he turned it down for silly reasons
After I made him the deal of replacing all that needs replaced (the outside
parts never under warranty by anyone)... for only 450 instead of 1600 (?)
...and also that my guy with 30 years Rolex factory service experience
will give him full service FREE of charge.

And all that ....for a dead battery (?)

So after I made him such an offer... he writes a very nice email to me in which he invites me for coffee if I am ever in Montreal..?

Good morning again I thought about it I slept on it I called Rolex and the girl convinced me go ahead with the service it's very expensive at least I will have a 2 year guarantee and it's local.... again like I had told you it doesn't have to do with money.... take care you have a nice day and if you are ever in Montreal give me a call maybe we can meet face to face go for coffee.

Now I am contemplating to jump through hoops for him and offer
assistance.. although he says it is not about money.

Then the next day he gets together with his Rolex buddies and local experts
in how to authenticate a Rolex - and he writes

Hi Anastasio....I spoke to a couple of my buddies here in Montreal...crazy watch guys like myself....guys who love the hobby....one of them even has a popular website like the forums based in MTL....
I told them the whole case concerning the OQ I got from you and quite frankly they are saying that the watch you sold to me was misrepresented.....the watch was not 100% authentic.....this is the ultimate worst "news" a Rolex lover can ever hear.....

So his buddies were the appraisers who with ease said I misrepresented
the watch I sold a year ago...Also he wrote:....Read this... very important

gave Rolex Service Center the green light to service the watch
but I think it is only fair for you to PAY for the "counterfeit" crystal...195$plus taxes.

Anyways. The watch had a knockoff crystal (which is against forum policy)

Let me know...let's wrap this up as buddies and not have to resort to the FORUMS.....

So From lets go for coffee when you are in Montreal
After he talks to his friends who I am sure they told him
..threaten Anastasio with "Forum" exposure ...FORUM..written with
capital letters.
From that moment onwards Nick
I saw red -.....after I offered my blood to him... he swings back
wanting to put fear in me ?

I repeat
his claim is malicious and the product of his buddies's bad advice
filled his head with innuendo and baseless accusations.
I know it is not him talking, ...only a crazy person one day invites you
for coffee in Montreal and the next day, after talking to his "experts"
comes back with the above "threat".
Especially when he has already given Rolex Canada the go ahead to service the watch !

[Takemusu]

Originally Posted by TempoKing

his claim is malicious and the product of his buddies's bad advice
filled his head with innuendo and baseless accusations.

I did not see anything malicious or, frankly, baseless in the justifiably perturbed response of the buyer. For one, this is an issue of trust. If I felt that I was burned, I would NEVER send the watch back to the seller for more "repairs" from "his guys" when his guys were probably responsible for the errant parts in question in the first place in my mind. Sorry, but that is human nature. "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."

Also I would openly question anyone whose response to this was anything but embarrassment, and total acceptance of responsibility, and desire to do as quickly as possible, WHATEVER it would take to make it right TO THE BUYER! That is good business. Mistakes happen, and you are ultimately judged by how you respond and fix that mistake, and perhaps "seeing red" has clouded your better judgement.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Takemusu

I did not see anything malicious or, frankly, baseless in the justifiably perturbed response of the buyer

+1. Seller is just digging a massive hole for himself here.

[Tridor]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

+1. Seller is just digging a massive hole for himself here.

Given what I have read in this thread and in the other thread, I can't see how he could dig himself out of it. It appears that the seller has done irreparable and permanent harm to his business reputation.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by TempoKing

I saw red....

Herein lies the problem.

[TempoKing]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Herein lies the problem.

Not seeing red anymore..I am fine now.