Is this PAM111 real?

[sirnonz]

Looking to purchase this from a WUS forum member, everything looks fine to me but I'm no expert. any opinions and comments would be great.

[tomcorkery]

looks good to me. Im not an expert either, but have more than my share of pams. Is it a face to face deal? I dont think I could have someone mail me a watch, unless a very trusted seller.

[Watchflair]

Looks legit to me. Remember dont buy the watch buy the seller.

[s14roller]

Originally Posted by watchflair

looks legit to me. Remember dont buy the watch buy the seller.

+1

[nick c]

As the guys above said looks good and buy the seller first

[Jocke]

The swanneck is not in contact with the adjustment lever, that is not good IMHO.

Originally Posted by nick c

As the guys above said looks good and buy the seller first

What is the price on the seller?

[sirnonz]

Here's a 30x magnification of the y incabloc

[Urosfan]

Originally Posted by s14roller

+1

x2

[mfer]

Originally Posted by Jocke

The swanneck is not in contact with the adjustment lever, that is not good IMHO.



What is the price on the seller?

That was my concern as well (but I'm not a watchmaker and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express), but the watch looks legit I think.

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by mfer

That was my concern as well (but I'm not a watchmaker and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express), but the watch looks legit I think.

I'm not so good with Panerai and the pics is not the best. But maybe there is some issues with the movement when the
swanneck looks like it does. Maybe it's a good thing to get it verified and let a watchmaker look at the movement and timing
it before buying it.

[nick c]

Originally Posted by Jocke

The swanneck is not in contact with the adjustment lever, that is not good IMHO.



What is the price on the seller?

Free of charge

[sdwtchlvr]

The finish on the movement looks off too.

[Srhdad]

It's fine. Buy it and enjoy. Just make sure the serial number on paperwork matches the watch. For peace of mind, get it verified by a watchmaker if you lack confidence. But if you know the seller and they have a strong rep here, you should be fine. If not, don't.

[Hwest1013]

The watch appears to be genuine, but the only thing that bothers me are the two screws near the regulator. They should be in the very center with metal around them. They don't seem very flush in your picture. That is bothersome. The 111 is highly replicated, and the replicas are becoming good. I would take additional measures to verify authenticity.

I could be wrong, but the screws bother me.

[sirnonz]

I unfortunately bought the watch and it turns out to be fake, and here's why so everyone can learn from my mistake.

real:

replica:
center pin holding the second hand is off and off centered




real:


fake:
The gold y incabloc is off and is facing the wrong way without the correct curved cutout
The swan neck does not connect to the regulator
The 2 regulator screws are off and not centered and very close to the edge
The officine panerai blue logo is printed on instead of engraved on

[Hwest1013]

There are problems with the regulator screws. The screws are too close to the edge. Here, there is no metal after the screws, as there is with authentic 111's. In my opinion, that is a tell tale sign that you are dealing with a replica.

Proceed with EXTREME CAUTION. I think it is likely a replica.

[sirnonz]

It is indeed a replica, I tried posting pictures but it has not been approved by a mod yet.

[Melvin_arnold]

This looks to be a replica too me, the incabloc should be a Y shape, this is an O shape

[Melvin_arnold]

[jw0n]

Sorry that you purchased a replica. And thank you for sharing.

I'm no expert, but is that N-serial? If so, isn't that the wrong rubber strap? And that leather is off as well, unless the seller stated it was an aftermarket strap?

[grrr]

These replicas look so close to the original, it is scary.

[sirnonz]

Originally Posted by jw0n

Sorry that you purchased a replica. And thank you for sharing.

I'm no expert, but is that N-serial? If so, isn't that the wrong rubber strap? And that leather is off as well, unless the seller stated it was an aftermarket strap?

That is a N serial, the strap is indeed wrong for the series as it's supposed to have the Panerai Officine running down it instead of just the logo. I also weighed it (watch itself with no straps) and it weighs 106 grams where as the real one would weigh 109 grams.

[Mastergreenhand]

OP - did you get your money back?

[Urosfan]

Sorry to hear it I hope you got your money back

[sirnonz]

you guys will love this, because I didn't have time to meet him at a jeweler and was willing to take a lose on the watch he is now claiming I'm the scammer and I swapped out the watch to a fake one.

[Tmac478]

Originally Posted by sirnonz

you guys will love this, because I didn't have time to meet him at a jeweler and was willing to take a lose on the watch he is now claiming I'm the scammer and I swapped out the watch to a fake one.

Did he have any kind of rating on WUS?
Like is recommended here often, buy the seller - then the watch.

[sirnonz]

He did have one guy he sold a legit pam 90 to and was willing to meet at a jeweler or wherever i wanted. I believe he thinks the watch is real. I work 6 days a week 10-7 so I dont have time to go to a jeweler

[Srhdad]

Originally Posted by sirnonz

you guys will love this, because I didn't have time to meet him at a jeweler and was willing to take a lose on the watch he is now claiming I'm the scammer and I swapped out the watch to a fake one.

Wait. You mean you didn't get photos and serial number prior to making the purchase? As long as the watch retains the same serial number, he really has little choice. You really should let us know the name of the seller. Any one flipping a fake on TRF needs to be outed.

Scary how good the replica is. Wow.

[sirnonz]

he didn't have any warranty card and everything on the bezel and back is exactly the same as on his picture so i'm not sure where he's getting that i swapped stuff out. he provided me those pictures. except the magnified ones which I couldn't do until I got to work where I had one handy.

[Btdd05]

Man I am sorry about your loos ! These reps these days are so good you need to have them checked first and foremost , once you agree on buying no one can help you recoup your money ! so like so many buy the seller not the watch.