good sub

[stevemulholland3]

now this one looks right-way over priced in my opinion.but at least its real,and real used.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Seal-Military-Is...QQcmdZViewItem

[etp095]

i bet that watch could tell some stories,it needs a tune up for sure.

[Willi]

I wonder why a guy would sell a watch that was with him in the bush in 'nam. The stories that thing could tell,...

[GMTJOHNNY]

....."I carried this watch around in my behind for ten years in prison camp..." That looks like the watch from Pulp Fiction!!

[stevemulholland3]

yeah right!!

[Terry Newton]

That watch has seen some action. Navy SEAL's are bad ass mo fo's. It may have been used as a weapon as well. There could be blood of the enemy under the bezel.

Terry Newton

[tudorman8276]

....for you folks that MAY have NOT served in Vietnam, the story COULD be true. It could have been in his family.

I SERVED in Vietnam and am 61 years old. I was wounded on two different occassions, preserving our freedoms we enjoy here. Notwithstanding the politics associated with the conflict, most of us served proudly. I would probably not know what to do with something like this watch if it had been given to me or.......the owner NO LONGER wanted the memories associated with it....etc.

There is a LOT that I have never told any of my family, wife, children, or friends about my experiences over there. 40 years later, I still have night sweats and still head for the ground at the sound of a backfiring bus or loud noise. I BETTER know you are behind me or you may be in for something you did not expect.

Let's show some respect for the VETS that are members of this forum and our country, please.

Sincerely, Stan.

[Terry Newton]

Stan:

I am a fellow veteran though, Viet Nam Era and, not combat. I was a special weapons technician and I had a secret clearance and replaced limited life components. I haven't looked at myself when I am sleeping but, I probably glow in the dark.

I went through the VA system after I got out, sobering up at 20 years old fresh out of the service. I worked with combat veterans for nine years in a therapeutic community and heard many horror stories from some of them. Most of them are like the World War Veterans that never shared much about what they went through. The times were different where we were not supported in our service to the country. I remember it as being one of the loneliest times in my life where people treated us like garbage and I was ashamed for wearing the uniform after awhile and lived for the day I would be a free man. Initially, I loved the uniform and the chance to serve our country. I was 17 when I enlisted though I do not regret it today as I came from a poorer family after my parents divorced and my father could not help with my college education. I used every ounce of the GI Bill I was entitled to.

I hope you don't believe I was making fun of the story behind the watch or the history it went through. I was serious with what I stated. The SEAL Training has no equal and the hand-to-hand training is incredible. I appreciate your sensitivity to this issue and the pain and trauma it has had on your life.

I hope some day that you are able to talk about the issues that still haunt you about this time in history. I remember seeing; "The Band of Brothers" and watching those old veterans finally talking about the experience and finally being able to cry about it all of those years later. Not many people understand the bond that develops when men are dependent upon each other in the fires of hell. No one comes out of that unscathed.

You're a good man Stan and I Thank-You for reminding all of us what many have went through to protect our freedoms that we have today. I don't think any body meant disrespect and sometimes we joke when we should not.

Terry Newton

[stevemulholland3]

[figbo]

I am a disabled vet with a couple of ph's,but I was NEVER issued a rolex tudor!

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

Stan:

I am a fellow veteran though, Viet Nam Era and, not combat. I was a special weapons technician and I had a secret clearance and replaced limited life components. I haven't looked at myself when I am sleeping but, I probably glow in the dark.

I went through the VA system after I got out, sobering up at 20 years old fresh out of the service. I worked with combat veterans for nine years in a therapeutic community and heard many horror stories from some of them. Most of them are like the World War Veterans that never shared much about what they went through. The times were different where we were not supported in our service to the country. I remember it as being one of the loneliest times in my life where people treated us like garbage and I was ashamed for wearing the uniform after awhile and lived for the day I would be a free man. Initially, I loved the uniform and the chance to serve our country. I was 17 when I enlisted though I do not regret it today as I came from a poorer family after my parents divorced and my father could not help with my college education. I used every ounce of the GI Bill I was entitled to.

I hope you don't believe I was making fun of the story behind the watch or the history it went through. I was serious with what I stated. The SEAL Training has no equal and the hand-to-hand training is incredible. I appreciate your sensitivity to this issue and the pain and trauma it has had on your life.

I hope some day that you are able to talk about the issues that still haunt you about this time in history. I remember seeing; "The Band of Brothers" and watching those old veterans finally talking about the experience and finally being able to cry about it all of those years later. Not many people understand the bond that develops when men are dependent upon each other in the fires of hell. No one comes out of that unscathed.

You're a good man Stan and I Thank-You for reminding all of us what many have went through to protect our freedoms that we have today. I don't think any body meant disrespect and sometimes we joke when we should not.

Terry Newton

....thanks Terry for sharing your story also. Sincerely, Stan.

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by figbo

I am a disabled vet with a couple of ph's,but I was NEVER issued a rolex tudor!

....I had not even known about this until years afterwards about the FNM etc using the Subs.

You, me, and no doubt Terry would have been line to get one!!!!

Stan.

[stevemulholland3]

most vietnam vets just received an injury and a complimentary drug addiction for all of their courage and sacrifice.
life sure isn't fair is it..

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by stevemulholland3

most vietnam vets just received an injury and a complimentary drug addiction for all of their courage and sacrifice.
life sure isn't fair is it..

...if that was the case, MOST of them would have died in combat. Drugs and bullets DO NOT MIX.

My unit, 11th Armored Cav, was on mission MOST of the time. First, the availability would not have been found in the jungle, nor in the rice paddies, nor in the rubber planations, where we spent 90% of MY time in Viet Nam, except while recovering from wounds. (These two soldiers brought WITH THEM from civilian life there drug problem.....I WOULD have been the CURE.) BOTH of these soldiers were wounded during fire fights and both evac'd to the States.

Drugs were available near a unit base camp, BUT, once off to the boonies....all gone. The two soldiers that were on my Sheridan (at different times) were told by me that IF I EVER CAUGHT THEM DOING DRUGS they would be killed by ME....they would NOT have to worry about the NVA or VC. I would save them the time. People's LIVES were at stake and I would NOT TOLERATE it....... PERIOD.

Since I grew up during that period, I remember the hippies etc. being responsible for the DRUG PROBLEM....NOT the military. This ALL starts at HOME, in the homes with their upbringing!!!!

Stan.

[figbo]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...if that was the case, MOST of them would have died in combat. Drugs and bullets DO NOT MIX.

My unit, 11th Armored Cav, was on mission MOST of the time. First, the availability would not have been found in the jungle, nor in the rice paddies, nor in the rubber planations, where we spent 90% of MY time in Viet Nam, except while recovering from wounds.

Drugs were available near a unit base camp, BUT, once off to the boonies....all gone. The two soldiers that were on my Sheridan (at different times) were told by me that IF I EVER CAUGHT THEM DOING DRUGS they would be killed by ME....they would NOT have to worry about the NVA or VC. I would save them the time. People's LIVES were at stake and I would NOT TOLERATE it PERIOD.

Stan.

Ditto,you had to be on your 10 toes or be killed,4th bn 9th inf reg 25 inf div.

[Terry Newton]

My drug problem started before I went in the service and was magnified in the service but it really got bad in the short time after I got out before I checked in to the VA. It also had nothing to do with my upbringing. My parents were my adopted ones; Father being 54, Mother being 37 when they adopted a two, three, and four year old child. Dad was from a small town in Illinois and Mother was from Browerville, Minnesota so they had good Mid-Western values and work ethics. If anything, their values and teachings probably helped to arrest my disorder before it killed me. In 30 years of working with substance abuse disorders I've dealt with clients who had good parents, bad parents, no parents and the disease does not discriminate with any of them. Substance use disorders are just as common as other diseases with a genetic and behavioral component. Type II Diabetes, some cancers, hypertension, obesity, etc. are all diseases with a behavioral component. All of them are chronic, relapsing conditions that require diligence, change of lifestyle, commitment, and other behavioral changes to ensure better outcomes.

I know not too many people have much compassion for this disorder even though our society suffers immensely over these issues. It is also as American to use as apple pie but please don't develop a problem with it. We have much more tolerance towards obesity as 65% of our society is obese. We are paying for the health care issues associated with poor lifestyle choices in eating as well as substance use disorders. We tolerate the health problems with obesity as it has permeated our society and, we need to eat to live. This has gotten warped to living to eat and we will have poor health and an expensive healthcare system for many generations until society realizes the horrible price for supersized people.

Terry Newton

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

My drug problem started before I went in the service and was magnified in the service but it really got bad in the short time after I got out before I checked in to the VA. It also had nothing to do with my upbringing. My parents were my adopted ones; Father being 54, Mother being 37 when they adopted a two, three, and four year old child. Dad was from a small town in Illinois and Mother was from Browerville, Minnesota so they had good Mid-Western values and work ethics. If anything, their values and teachings probably helped to arrest my disorder before it killed me. In 30 years of working with substance abuse disorders I've dealt with clients who had good parents, bad parents, no parents and the disease does not discriminate with any of them. Substance use disorders are just as common as other diseases with a genetic and behavioral component. Type II Diabetes, some cancers, hypertension, obesity, etc. are all diseases with a behavioral component. All of them are chronic, relapsing conditions that require diligence, change of lifestyle, commitment, and other behavioral changes to ensure better outcomes.

I know not too many people have much compassion for this disorder even though our society suffers immensely over these issues. It is also as American to use as apple pie but please don't develop a problem with it. We have much more tolerance towards obesity as 65% of our society is obese. We are paying for the health care issues associated with poor lifestyle choices in eating as well as substance use disorders. We tolerate the health problems with obesity as it has permeated our society and, we need to eat to live. This has gotten warped to living to eat and we will have poor health and an expensive healthcare system for many generations until society realizes the horrible price for supersized people.

Terry Newton

....your situation. I know everyone is different.

As I stated, the soldiers that I encountered with drug problems had it BEFORE they entered military service (just like you admitted yourself) and was NOT a result OF THEIR service as posted and implied by Steve. During my 26 years of service, I put as many of the drug using soldiers back where they came from-civilian life. I just cannot stand by and see ANOTHER unwelcome comment, notwithstanding that we are ALL entitled to our opinions.

HOWEVER, I CAN and DO understand that the RESULT of combat can lead to a drug problem in and of itself.

I did not start this on this forum, but responded to unwarranted posts by some of the forum users.

Terry, I am certainly happy for you that you were able to overcome your problems, and most certainly, with help that was either offered to you or help that you sought out.

Hey buddy "TERRYNATOR", lets get some more of those counterfeiters!!

I think we need to bury this and get on with the business at hand.

Stan.

[stevemulholland3]

well I apologize if I offended any of our vets,and the drug addiction I was referring to was the opiate addictions so prevalent after wounded vets where given more than ample doses of morphine for extended amounts of time.if this is not true then I apologize-I was going on what I have been told by a few vets I knew(I wasnt born until the last year of the war).again,I am not trying to belittle or insult our vets,and terry thanks for sharing your personal story-I myself have been clean for 5 years now myself-had I not kicked my addiction I would never have been able to afford to start collecting watches as for a long time it took every bit of the money I earned just to be able to pay my bills and sustain my monkey.

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by stevemulholland3

well I apologize if I offended any of our vets,and the drug addiction I was referring to was the opiate addictions so prevalent after wounded vets where given more than ample doses of morphine for extended amounts of time.if this is not true then I apologize-I was going on what I have been told by a few vets I knew(I wasnt born until the last year of the war).again,I am not trying to belittle or insult our vets,and terry thanks for sharing your personal story-I myself have been clean for 5 years now myself-had I not kicked my addiction I would never have been able to afford to start collecting watches as for a long time it took every bit of the money I earned just to be able to pay my bills and sustain my monkey.

....same for you. Glad you and Terry were able to overcome your problem AND.....look at what you have been able to do now! You have a couple of fantastic watches. I have a feelin that Terry is holding out on us and sandbagging some watches to show us later.

Let us all get back to the business at hand and continuing our pursuit of the watch FAULKERS

Stan.